GNB is TERRIBLE now!

You can spot the moment when a streamer sicced his minions on the thread. Maybe come up with your own opinions for once.

So what's the matter with the GNB changes? In Theory, the rotation doesn't change on a casual level and band aid's the issue of Gnashing Fang drift for those that play on 2.5 gcd

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Originally Posted by Kai-XP

So what's the matter with the GNB changes? In Theory, the rotation doesn't change on a casual level and band aid's the issue of Gnashing Fang drift for those that play on 2.5 gcd

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Gnashing change is fine and helps casual players
Sonic Break doing its damage in half the time is genuinely good and helps casual players
Bloodfest letting you temporarily overcap to 6 is okay and helps casual players

The contentious part, and it's a subjective thing so nobody's right or wrong on it per se, is Bloodfest being reduced to a 60s CD. Personally not a fan of the reduction because it makes it (and Lionheart) feel like it's just trying to be one of the other Tanks, with how WAR has IR/FellCleave, PLD has Imperator/Blade combo, and DRK has Delerium/Bloodspiller. It being 120s, while not amazingly unique, was at least slightly unique from the other Tanks and now that is gone. Additionally, the sheer amount of potency reductions across the board in order to make space in the DPS output for a second Lionheart combo per 2min loop, makes everything that is not Lionheart feel less impactful, and because Lionheart itself got reduced in potency, it too feels 'less impactful'

My take is, there were other Tanks that had this kind of design, for those who want this kind of design (burst at 60s by pressing 'big hit' 3 times in a row). Since GNB was plenty capable of clearing content with Bloodfest/Lionheart standing as a 2min CD (oftentimes outperforming the other Tanks too), I cannot tell what issue SE was trying to address by making Bloodfest/Lionheart a 60s CD (specifically the CD reduction, the 6 Cartridges thing I understand their intention). If there was an issue, however, I would have assumed that there'd be a solution that solves said issue, in a way that is thematic and unique to GNB, instead of just defaulting to the tried-and-tested 'press CD, then press big hit 3 times' (or 4 if you are PLD)

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Originally Posted by Oizen

If I had to guess:
-Living Shadow cooldown reduced to 60s
-Shadowbringer reduced to 30s CD with two charges
-TBN no longer costs MP to use
-TBN no longer grants Dark Arts on break
-TBN when hit grants a regen
-TBN's CD increased to 25s

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I throw up

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

oh no, your job is doing slightly less damage.

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Pretty sure it's less about numbers and more about how it feels man. lol

I want more to the delirium combo, its honestly the most bad ass 3 hit combo in the game.

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Originally Posted by Basteala

Pretty sure it's less about numbers and more about how it feels man. lol

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if that were true, people wouldn't be complaining.

GNB was the only tank that cant repair its rotation if it gets derailed.

thats not a skill issue, thats a design flaw.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

Gnashing change is fine and helps casual players
Sonic Break doing its damage in half the time is genuinely good and helps casual players
Bloodfest letting you temporarily overcap to 6 is okay and helps casual players

The contentious part, and it's a subjective thing so nobody's right or wrong on it per se, is Bloodfest being reduced to a 60s CD. Personally not a fan of the reduction because it makes it (and Lionheart) feel like it's just trying to be one of the other Tanks, with how WAR has IR/FellCleave, PLD has Imperator/Blade combo, and DRK has Delerium/Bloodspiller. It being 120s, while not amazingly unique, was at least slightly unique from the other Tanks and now that is gone. Additionally, the sheer amount of potency reductions across the board in order to make space in the DPS output for a second Lionheart combo per 2min loop, makes everything that is not Lionheart feel less impactful, and because Lionheart itself got reduced in potency, it too feels 'less impactful'

My take is, there were other Tanks that had this kind of design, for those who want this kind of design (burst at 60s by pressing 'big hit' 3 times in a row). Since GNB was plenty capable of clearing content with Bloodfest/Lionheart standing as a 2min CD (oftentimes outperforming the other Tanks too), I cannot tell what issue SE was trying to address by making Bloodfest/Lionheart a 60s CD (specifically the CD reduction, the 6 Cartridges thing I understand their intention). If there was an issue, however, I would have assumed that there'd be a solution that solves said issue, in a way that is thematic and unique to GNB, instead of just defaulting to the tried-and-tested 'press CD, then press big hit 3 times' (or 4 if you are PLD)

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I personally wouldn't call Bloodfest being 120s being "unique" especially since back in ShadowBringers it was 90s, it was just their way SE doubling down on the job design flaw that is the 2min meta. If they really want to give identity back to the classes:
1) Instead of Job Identity, do Roles identity
a) Tanks
b) Healers
c) Striking Melee
d) Maiming Melee
e) Scouting Melee
f) Casters
g) Phy range

2) Go back to the 30s/1min/90s/2min cds instead of just a static 1/2 min cds
3) Change TBN cause comparatively speaking, it's a garbage Mit nowadays

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Originally Posted by Avenheit

I want more to the delirium combo, its honestly the most bad ass 3 hit combo in the game.

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Delirium should be a 40s CD.
Reduce the potency to compensate but keep the MP generation as is

Easiest fix to DRK on the planet.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Let's not forget dark knight also lost a second combo string in shadow bringers and and lost scourge between stormblood and heavensward.
But EVERY OTHER TANK had a second combo or combo finisher and they basically recycled scourge into Gunbreaker's sonic break.

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don't forget Dark Arts. once the person got Dark Arts into the mix figured out Dark Knight was pretty fun to play.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Delirium should be a 40s CD.
Reduce the potency to compensate but keep the MP generation as is

Easiest fix to DRK on the planet.

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This would actually be kinda neat I really would like delirium on 40s. And it lines up with the all mighty 2 minutes