why every FF14 healer is berserk healer

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I would trust a "princess healer" far, far more here in XIV than in WoW. Still little, but WoW's context would be even more condemning.

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Exactly. Unlike WoW or GW2 or so, FFXIV is already optimized for just hammering the same 2-3 buttons until you fall asleep (current healer gameplay, it's just that 2 of those are damage abilities not heals) or performing the same 8-step rotation with no exceptions endlessly (all current DPS jobs, sadly). All difficulty and combat mechanics are in the fight design, not the classes.

So if "princess healing" in the derogatory sense is possible anywhere, it'd be here. Not in GW2 with it's lack of pure healing except on the ranger (and even that is stretching the definition a fair amount), and certainly not in WoW where you got a ton of stuff to do on top of spammy healing (so it gets the best of both worlds in that regard, you're focused on healing and you also do other stuff in-between). But as you say already they're sadly also axing that. Maybe this indicates games should look more towards the GW2-model of class design especially for tanks and healers? I dunno.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Yeah... I have to hugely doubt anyone who fits that bill would be coming from WoW over the "exodus" period, where Heroic/Mythic raids wiped if healers couldn't simultaneously keep up with burst, sustain, and sometimes damage, generally with considerably more elaborate setup required for said burst healing rather than just hitting oGCDs on castbar / Simon Says cues.

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I never said they came during the exodus period, obviously if they existed since ARR that wouldn't line up. What I think instead happened is that the princess healers who were doing "fine" during vanilla WoW and TBC got skill-checked out of WoW by the time ARR rolled around.
So they were already looking for a new MMO where they could continue to do the only thing they learned.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

...Sadly, instead, WoW: Midnight is going the way of Dawntrail instead. (Or worse, really, especially by contrast to where it is now and had been going before this upcoming massive jump towards simplification / mobile-game level kits.)

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Leave it to Blizzard to learn nothing from the mistakes they made themselves before.
They already tried the oversimplification back in Warlords of Draenor and then went even further with it during Legion and Battle for Azeroth, which they then had to walk back at the end of that expansion, but apparently the company now has collective amnesia.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I never said they came during the exodus period, obviously if they existed since ARR that wouldn't line up. What I think instead happened is that the princess healers who were doing "fine" during vanilla WoW and TBC got skill-checked out of WoW by the time ARR rolled around.

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So the players who didn't come from any period with disproportionate movement specifically out of their earlier MMO nor specifically to XIV... must have arrived to XIV via that MMO?

And if they got skill-checked out in Vanilla, how would it make sense to call them WoW players? They'd be players who tried it and fled.

While if they got skill-checked out in TBC, that's still 6 years before ARR launched. 6 years of playing nothing, a period lasting far longer than they'd have touched WoW.

So again, why the fixation on WoW? It's still coming off as a weird obsessive demonization.

You could as easily say they'd all come from EVE online, which is why they'd get stressed by real-time combat when shit hit the fan, or that they'd come into late-ish ARR's endgame content after previously playing ESO since they'd previously only played for story and then been drawn by the promise of XIV's story once they'd been opened to MMOs. They're all vaguely plausible, but having certainty in any of those origin theories, let alone that a whole classification become a byword for an intentionally terrible player comes predominantly from that particular game, just seems nonsensical.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Leave it to Blizzard to learn nothing from the mistakes they made themselves before.
They already tried the oversimplification back in Warlords of Draenor and then went even further with it during Legion and Battle for Azeroth, which they then had to walk back at the end of that expansion, but apparently the company now has collective amnesia.

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"Knowing better than our customers" is obsolete.

"Knowing better than our own experiences with provable causes" is the new sniffin' glue.

/sigh

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Originally Posted by Solitum

i played World of Warcraft healer only do healing

FF14 healer must be battle mage FF14 has no pure healer job all healer in FF14 are berserk healer like Yuuki Asuna

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If you're not dpsing in wow as a healer you're doing something wrong. This is not 2005.

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Originally Posted by Teno

If you're not dpsing in wow as a healer you're doing something wrong. This is not 2005.

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^ this guy gets it

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Originally Posted by Canadane

The CNJ questline literally tries to get people to drop that line of thinking.

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Yes because you're not supposed to sit idle when the whole team doesn't need even a single heal or i would get a Red Mage to do that job instead
Besides you would be running to more mana problems if healing was all you were supposed to do

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Yes, many old questlines are bad, news at 11.

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Some maybe but certainly not the quest you're replying to

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Originally Posted by Carighan

In fact, if need I'd rather have all healing be GCDs and all damage be oGCDs. At least that way around it'd "feel" more like you're a healer, even if the net result were entirely the same output.

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Yet a day i thank the god it's not this community that designs the jobs, further ideas on how to make some jobs broken
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Guys do you even realise why you have damage abilities in the first place

Jesus Christ it's better to delete the healer role entirely what's this

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Originally Posted by Teno

If you're not dpsing in wow as a healer you're doing something wrong. This is not 2005.

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Finally i've seen a person say this, applies to this game too

If anything, healers should get a few damage buttons back like in Stormblood era so that both dps and healing can be ever so slightly more interesting, I am guessing the dev wanted to have a 'simple healer' for newer players to engage in Shadowbringers but come on, maybe only WHM does this 1 DoT + Glare mage, and let the other healers have like 1 to 2 more damage output buttons; of course I am absolutely certain that I am definitely not bias because I started the game with SCH as my first job.

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Originally Posted by Chajii

If anything, healers should get a few damage buttons back like in Stormblood era so that both dps and healing can be ever so slightly more interesting, I am guessing the dev wanted to have a 'simple healer' for newer players to engage in Shadowbringers but come on, maybe only WHM does this 1 DoT + Glare mage, and let the other healers have like 1 to 2 more damage output buttons; of course I am absolutely certain that I am definitely not bias because I started the game with SCH as my first job.

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I completely agree, not that i played in Stormblood times but having an easy to play and more introductory healer class while making other healer classes more interesting would be the better choice, this way we wouldn't run to problems like healer being too busy or too difficult if it is difficult at all