Please, dont bring Bojza back!

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

Is that true? I don't think they're linked to the story quests. You can just get the timeworn whatevers from PotD.

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They are linked to the story quests up to DR. You can finish a relic without Dalriada but you are required to do CLL and DR.

Trying to get CLL right now is especially bad because everyone just wants to level their vipers and pictomancers and people are ignoring CLL when it pops, at least on Aether.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Lmao modern ARR & HW relic grind =/= on patch ARR & HW relic grind.

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ARR atma grinding was truly the gold standard for relic-related content.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

In a french interview Yoshi-P states that he planned to add exploration zones like Bozja/Eureka.

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Please... dont. I hate Eureka and Bozja. Nothing in there worked. The whole concept of Bozja/Eureka is horrible. People just played it because of the relic weapons. But it was not fun. You can do nothing except waiting or following the FATE-train.

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Cool story.

I like Bozja. And Eureka.

You can simply not do the content. If you don't do high level content, you don't even need the relics.

Not everything in this MMORPG with millions of players has to be curated for YOU and YOU alone.

It's not exactly news. This content was announced literally ages ago. I can even tell you the name of it - Shade's Triangle, which is a segment of ocean found on the map of Tural.

But I can compromise with you - they don't have to make it like Bozja. They could make it like Eureka instead, which I truly enjoyed.

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Originally Posted by Karkarov

The fact that these zones die the instant the new expac comes out tells you everything you need to know about how "fun" they are.

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Eureka is almost always busy though?

Enjoyment detected! Fun Police en route to deliver moralising sermon. Stay indoors citizens.

You can just choose not to do this content.

I love both Eureka and Bozja. I've met cool people in Eureka and consider Bozja a really great midcore piece of content to step above the normal fights and into more mechanically intensive fights without being overly punishing to your party.

I really liked Bozja during Shadowbringers. The critical engagements were kind of challenging at the time, and people would be talking in shout chat, requesting raises, or coordinating for Castrum/Zalriada. It was a place where you could really show off the mounts you liked and it was teeming with activity. Eureka was also a lot of fun with people working together to spawn NM's, and there's not really anything else like it in XIV. Never wanting any more Field Operation content is really weird when it's something plenty of people really enjoy doing.

I do think that a few of the Bozja steps were a bit too grindy, that being said. I think some element of a grind separate from just tomes is important for relics, but sending players off to farm Alliance Raids and old FATEs was not very fun. Eureka was also grindy but I didn't mind it nearly as much.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The thing I think people forget about the Manderville grind is it's very similar to the HW grind, they just consolidated all the items like sand into just one purchase. That tome grind is still 90% poetics dumping to buy items.

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Did you do the HW relics before they were nerfed? Because this is absolutely false.

The HW grind back in the day had little to do with poetics. It used the current restricted tomestones. So you were gated by how much you could grind with those. Not to mention the multiple steps that did not use tomestones back then.

Just to list the steps:
-Animated: either grind fates for multiple crystal drops from each of the HW zones. Or turn in a Zeta weapon.
-Awoken: take your new weapon and do a gauntlet of 10 individual dungeons.
-Anima (aka Unidentifiable): grind out unidentifiables which costed gated tomestones at the time, beast tribe currency if you had them leveled, random raid drops, and other tedious methods. And you had to gather multiple crafts that were required to be high quality at the time, either through crafting with specialization, or paying a large sum.
-Hyperconductive: buy Aether Oil for current tomestones at the time.
-Reconditioned: Umbrite/Crystal Sand. You got them by various methods, current tomestones, through battle levequests, and through crafters/gatherers.
-Sharpened: daily quest that had you go through roulettes (currently can’t remember if you could use current tomestones back then)
-Complete: 3 dungeons then a hefty light farm then pneumite from GC seals, treasure maps, or tomestones.
-Lux: a victory lap through all of the hard mode and equivalent trials with a tomestone purchase after.

I love the tough endgame grind zones. They're the only aspect of the game that provides a sense of progression due to the long grind and a sense of community as you have to group up with other people to fight the mobs and you get acquainted with the regulars. It keeps me playing after I finish the visual novel story. I was pretty disappointed that Bozja only got two zones, and Endwalker had none so I didn't play FF14 as much. Only thing I really did during the EW patches was play more Eureka.

I overall preferred Eureka due to it having four zones, the wilderness feel, and the Magia Board. The second zone with the sleeping dragons you have to walk past, and having to drop down steep cliffs to land onto narrow ledges was cool, wish they did more like that. I also liked the light character customization from the 3rd zone onwards where you could turn your Samurai into a tank, wish FF14 had more build customization. I did not like Bozja as much. Again only two zones, visually ugly, and I felt the mobs were easier than in Eureka. I did like the Critical Engagements, though, which prevent people from running away to heal to full or prevents people from graveyard zerging the fight. Wish CEs were the standard. Castrum and Dalriada were also nice, but they're script corridor raids which I prefer only to do once. I did like the two somewhat WoW-esque encounters with the final fight of Castrum where a B-team has to detach from the main group to go fight Lyon, and the penultimate fight of Dalriada where you fight two bosses at once. No idea why FF14 doesn't do more of those. It was pretty disappointing that Matsuno's storyline was cancelled. Was looking to part 3 with going to the IVth Legion's capital of Lea Monde and fighting against Gabranth.