Fix the Elemental Wheel

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Again, its only "intuitive" to you because you've already come with preconceived notions of which element beats which, based on... who knows what.

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Based on the majority of the games out there.
edit: also, this. Water being opposite of Fire makes more sense than Wind anyway.

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All the FF games you listed had different elemental rules for the most part. None of this is realistic, therefore "intuition" means very little.

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They might have had different rules, but base element relationships were never twisted as they are in FFXIV - I'd remember that.
I don't care if it was fire <-> ice | lightning <-> water or fire -> ice -> lightning -> water -> fire
But going wind -> fire is ridiculous. Speaking of realism: why do you think we fear the wind when there are fires around?

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If you play FFXIV long enough and stop trying to compare it to other games, the two elemental triangles we have now become "intuitive." They have for me, it will happen to you too.

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No, it won't. I played this game since alpha and I still have to keep the elemental wheel chart open. They tried to be different for the sake of being different, and you see where it got them. They're fixing the things with 2.0, so they might as well fix this too.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

They're fixing the things with 2.0, so they might as well fix this too.

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Except for the fact that its not broken, so there's nothing to fix. It works as intended.

And every FF game in creation has been different for the sake of being different. Good lord.

Need I remind you of FFX's elemental system??? Please explain how that is any less ridiculous than wind->fire. Please do. You are telling me: "I don't mind if lightning is weak to water, but wind blowing out fire is ludicrous!" Do you hear yourself lol? How is it any less ridiculous? Because it has electrolytes?

If you want to talk realism, any wind will blow out a fire *if* it is strong enough. Tell me if your campfire is still going strong when a tornado rolls through. Seriously. And "wind" is such a vague point anyway. You know what wind is comprised of? Gases. Are all gases kind to fire? No. And then there's heat! You have cold air and warm air. You think a fire is gonna like blizzard? Nope. Its gonna go bye bye. Why? Cuz if you cool off fire faster than it can produce heat, the fire goes away.

Wind -> Fire makes sense under the right conditions. Now please tell me how Water -> Lightning makes sense in all of your infinite wisdom, because you don't seem to mind that.

I thought FFX had the stupid ele wheel Water and lighting beat each other and fire and ice beat each other and dark and holy beat each other that was it. I also remember FF 9 wheel being like FF 11's to some degree but not he same.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Now please tell me how Water -> Lightning makes sense in all of your infinite wisdom, because you don't seem to mind that.

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The receiving end of the spell in all of these games is not another spell, it's a creature aligned to or comprised of the weak element. In Water -> Lightning's case, a creature that produces/is comprised of electricity would be shorted out by water.

You wanna talk ridiculous, Ice and Water are the same thing, one is just colder. I'm assuming the "Ice" element is just a manifestation of cold, though.

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Originally Posted by VanishingSasquatch

There is also a piece of lore located in game (can't remember at this time) that states that the 2 elemental triangles are also aligned themselves. One set of 3 is aligned as Astral and the other is Umbral. So even if you spell isn't directly opposed to the element your hitting, at least its effectiveness is increased due to Astral/Umbral properties.

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Actually this is incorrect all elements are both Astral/Umbral, some just have a greater affinity than others.

here have a look at the calender wheel:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RPGpNo0r_u...veCalendar.png

Notice Both Umbral and Astral Dates/Gods have all the elements.

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Originally Posted by Zyph

The receiving end of the spell in all of these games is not another spell, it's a creature aligned to or comprised of the weak element. In Water -> Lightning's case, a creature that produces/is comprised of electricity would be shorted out by water.

You wanna talk ridiculous, Ice and Water are the same thing, one is just colder. I'm assuming the "Ice" element is just a manifestation of cold, though.

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Thus is the point, they are all ridiculous so what point is there in arguing over them. There is no logical elemental wheel, because an elemental wheel itself is entirely illogical

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Thus is the point, they are all ridiculous so what point is there in arguing over them. There is no logical elemental wheel, because an elemental wheel itself is entirely illogical

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No don't you know it's only logic if it's like FF:XI cause that's the only Ff ever made they skipped 11 and then skipped to 14.

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Originally Posted by Firon

No don't you know it's only logic if it's like FF:XI cause that's the only Ff ever made they skipped 11 and then skipped to 14.

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God damnit!! What is this shit ive been playing on my playstation all my life D:<?! At least now I know I can show that chemistry professor who's boss..

*raises hand*

FFXI or gtfo

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

"I don't mind if lightning is weak to water, but wind blowing out fire is ludicrous!" Do you hear yourself lol?

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I was actually telling you lightning boils water. It looks like I typed Ice -> Fire instead of Fire -> Ice by mistake. Would you now calm down and continue discussing this in a neutral manner? Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

I was actually telling you lightning boils water. It looks like I typed Ice -> Fire instead of Fire -> Ice by mistake. Would you now calm down and continue discussing this in a neutral manner? Thank you.

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It is neutral, and I am quite calm...I was just poking fun at you lol. Also I think you are confused, I was responding to your edit. You said you don't care if its fire<->ice or lightning <-> water. That is FFX's elemental system. I'm asking you to explain how that is any less ludicrous than wind-> fire. Because its not, yet you don't seem to mind it and condemn FFXIV for some perfectly "logical" reason known only to you.

Just say you like the others more and be done with it. Pretending there's logic here is like you running around in a cape and underwear claiming you're superman. Yeah ppl can see where you get the idea, but at the end of the day you're still a half naked guy running around like an idiot. Putting on a cape doesn't make you superman, and pretending to logic doesn't make something logical. Call a spade a spade, and call a preference a preference. We can stop pretending logic exists here now.