The removed parts of ARR MSQ didn't save any time at all

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Even with the Minimal colorful hallways, dungeons are still severely lacking. All of the 80s dungeons are so trivial you can do it in your sleep Trash/Boss/Trash/Boss/Trash/Boss. No on route mechanics (Ghmlyit Dark) No hazards (Doma Castle) No Dangerous mobs (Sunken temple (Final Sting))No rooms for navigations (Longstep/Dark Hold) No ailments or very few ailments (The Burn) No DPS Checks (Castrum Abania) No Wild progression (Wanderers Palace) No Traps (Hull isle) No wandering mobs (Hakkue Manor) Nothing Of interest is ever done with pulls while the past have been unique which is worse.

And dungeons don’t exist to get out of them as quickly as possible, it’s Gameplay that’s meant to be played

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You bring up some good points here. I have run tons of dungeons but I always enjoy ones that provide some degree of “things to do”. Splitting up to nab keys or turn cranks as in Wanderers Palace was a good way to break up the typical mobs/boss/mobs/boss routine.

Having puzzles/traps or gimmicks is always a good way to go if implemented well.

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Originally Posted by Zer0

The biggest setbacks and what wastes the most time with ARR wasn't the 20 minutes of quests in total you removed. It was the meaningless and waste of time prerequired quests you seemingly left in. The sheer monumental number of dungeons that are a total waste of time and side stories nobody cares about was what wasted peoples time and drove people crazy with ARR MSQ. Every damn 10th quest was a pre-req that you had to do some stupid side crap nobody cared about.

You took out a few meaningless quick and easy quests and left in the long pain in the behind side crude required to move on. No wonder you can't convince new people to play the game unless you've played non-stop since launch you'll forever be stuck behind perpetual catch-up from the monumental number of tedious crap.

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Complaining about playing the story of a Final Fantasy RPG, that's why they sell a story skip. Personally, I enjoy that the game has a real story and not an excuse for PVP and raids story like some other MMO, you know the one from the company in Irvine, the one I played for 16 years, the one I finally canceled the subscription on because Foghorn them and their next expansion.

Sure it takes time to progress the MSQ, sure it unlocks most dungeons and trials, and it now also requires the Alliance raid for the Crystal Tower. Which is a call back to FFIII. And is now required for the MSQ in Shadow Bringer. So buy your paid skip, and let the majority of us Final Fantasy players enjoy the thing that sets this game apart from the pack of trash MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

When was Qarn normal ever required? I remember looking up gear progression online back in 2013/14, when I was around the 30s and seeing that Qarn, this dungeon I'd never heard of and had to access via a non-msq side quest, had my weapon for that level. I went to get it to be able to do Brayflox' Longstop successfully.

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As far as I know, it is one of the several sub-50 dungeons that are optional, and the only thing it's needed for is to unlock the hard mode verision for one of the optional zodiac relic quests which requires an item from there.

From what I've read, the aim was to remove the fetchquesting that had very little if any to do with the actual story.

I don't really get why you'd want entire dungeons removed, lol.

I also don't get why you'd expect entire dungeons to get removed.

I'm curious to see what actually was removed, but having played through the story from 1 to 80 on three characters now, I'm not sure I can justify ARR round 4.

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Originally Posted by Raines1337

I'm curious to see what actually was removed, but having played through the story from 1 to 80 on three characters now, I'm not sure I can justify ARR round 4.

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Removed quests are at the bottom.

Guess I coulda just linked the removed ones directly. Eh. Helps having a bit of context to piece in where they were.

I had to go back and run the crystal tower series this week, and the only reason it was quick was because there were many others in the same situation running the raids, so there was very little wait. If I had run them at the end of whatever exp they belonged to a few months ago, it probably would have taken hours for groups to form.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

I had to go back and run the crystal tower series this week, and the only reason it was quick was because there were many others in the same situation running the raids, so there was very little wait. If I had run them at the end of whatever exp they belonged to a few months ago, it probably would have taken hours for groups to form.

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People ilevel cheese all the time to get CT raids because those ones are 'quick' and they're lazy. It wouldn't take very long to get in I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

I had to go back and run the crystal tower series this week, and the only reason it was quick was because there were many others in the same situation running the raids, so there was very little wait. If I had run them at the end of whatever exp they belonged to a few months ago, it probably would have taken hours for groups to form.

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The CT raids are by the far the most common result of an alliance roulette because enough people artificially lower their ilevel to force them to pop in order to get an easier and quicker raid for faster tomes. There's never been a long queue time for them unless you're queuing well outside of prime time.