Tenacity

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Originally Posted by NekoHina

All too often these days, tanks want to be the ones in there doing the most damage.

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This is the problem with FFXIV as a whole. This issue has been constantly brought up since Tenacity was introduced but the rebuttal is always the fact that you don't need more defense if you have more DPS. More DPS means that you can burn the enemy down quicker to the point where surviving isn't that big of an issue. This is why CRIT and DH (even though thats a DPS stat) are always pushed for tank classes oustide of the Warrior. Being a tank main, I've always hated this because if I wanted to play a DPS job, I would and it reduces the options to make a somewhat unique build in a game where the tanks are already very similar to one another. Some healers are pissed because they actually have to to what the job is intended for and heal more opposed to doing DPS...DPS is king in FFXIV.

Honestly, and I know people will disagree with me, I feel like DH shouldn't useable by any jobs other than DPS just like Tenacity is strictly a tank stat and Piety is a healer stat. I also feel like DET and TEN should hold a bit more weight.

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Originally Posted by Renato

This is the problem with FFXIV as a whole. This issue has been constantly brought up since Tenacity was introduced but the rebuttal is always the fact that you don't need more defense if you have more DPS. More DPS means that you can burn the enemy down quicker to the point where surviving isn't that big of an issue. This is why CRIT and DH (even though thats a DPS stat) are always pushed for tank classes oustide of the Warrior. Being a tank main, I've always hated this because if I wanted to play a DPS job, I would and it reduces the options to make a somewhat unique build in a game where the tanks are already very similar to one another. Some healers are pissed because they actually have to to what the job is intended for and heal more opposed to doing DPS...DPS is king in FFXIV.

Honestly, and I know people will disagree with me, I feel like DH shouldn't useable by any jobs other than DPS just like Tenacity is strictly a tank stat and Piety is a healer stat. I also feel like DET and TEN should hold a bit more weight.

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Healers aren't pissed they have to heal more. They're pissed because they're healing the same as they always have, or in a lot of cases they're healing LESS, and their DPS,which still occupies 70-90% of their time, has been reduced to spamming a single button. So what used to be,at least, somewhat interesting is not the equivalent of spamming a single button to win. Won't even get into AST card problems, the fact that a new rework is posted in the forums every week from disgruntled AST players is enough to prove that was a mistake.

As for tenacity,I won't get too much into it, all I know is that in order for it to be worth it, you'd have to stack more than the game would allow you. And the only reason it'd be worth it is because, in said scenario, it'd save a healer a GCD of healing, so, it'd go right back around to DPS.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

And the only reason it'd be worth it is because, in said scenario, it'd save a healer a GCD of healing, so, it'd go right back around to DPS.

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AND then it'd only be worth it if that GCD of Healer damage was MORE than you lost in order to stack Tenacity as opposed to Crit/DH/Det.

That's the crux of the matter, as opposed to "Tanks just wanna be DPS". It's simply a case of actually getting something out of your stats. The only thing that can be obtained from stats is Damage and in the case of Tenacity defence. But unless that defence is either necessary or meaningful (Either, it enables you to survive, or it provides Healers with a benefit i.e. The ability to use less MP intensive healing to have better MP economy) then Damage is the only real choice.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

AND then it'd only be worth it if that GCD of Healer damage was MORE than you lost in order to stack Tenacity as opposed to Crit/DH/Det.

That's the crux of the matter, as opposed to "Tanks just wanna be DPS". It's simply a case of actually getting something out of your stats. The only thing that can be obtained from stats is Damage and in the case of Tenacity defence. But unless that defence is either necessary or meaningful (Either, it enables you to survive, or it provides Healers with a benefit i.e. The ability to use less MP intensive healing to have better MP economy) then Damage is the only real choice.

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And unless everyone is hitting every single GCD perfectly, at peak 99 percentile performance, then that one more or less GCD probably isn't having any meaningful effect either.