Sanity check - crafting job skip potions?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Because throwing your hands up in the air and saying "well if you can take a shortcut here, you should be able to take a shortcut EVERYWHERE" is grossly oversimplifying the wants and needs of the game.
I'd personally be fine with some of the crazier time investment mounts being cash shopped because some people just don't have the time and would take literal years to achieve them. Also many of the mounts/minions aren't even really achievements.. just luck RNG drops.
But SE doesn't offer things on the cash shop that you can currently get through gameplay. So far that's their only unbroken rule.
Why would we ask for something that SE has NEVER done instead of asking for something they've already done?

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Correct me if I'm wrong but can't you get to lvl 60 through gameplay? Can't you get through the storyline up to SB through gameplay? Come to think of it can't you get your retainers up to lvl 60 through gameplay? Phial of fantasia? Also achievable through playing the game (they give one to you in a MSQ). The dyes, yep through gameplay.

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Originally Posted by supergiz

For all you people in support of crafting jump potions, it would be hypocritical if you didn't also support potions that got you all the mounts, all the minions, and everything else.

So where do you stop?

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I would argue that the leveling potions are a means to skip over subjectively boring content to get access to more interesting content, while mounts are an end goal that only provides some minor personal satisfaction of using the mount thereafter. One could argue that for some thats sort of the same, but thats my validation of it.

Also, you can already buy mounts in the store.

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Originally Posted by supergiz

Correct me if I'm wrong but can't you get to lvl 60 through gameplay? Can't you get through the storyline up to SB through gameplay? Come to think of it can't you get your retainers up to lvl 60 through gameplay? Phial of fantasia? Also achievable through playing the game (they give one to you in a MSQ). The dyes, yep through gameplay.

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I was speaking more items wise but you're right. you can get dyes and a singular phial of fantasia (both consumable) through gameplay Shall I revise my statement or can you extrapolate?

No please dont, the jumping potions for battle jobs are already bad in my eyes, no need to make every part of the game that easy.

SE already did hint that they may make the crafting jobs easier but in the end they are side content..and sometimes you have to put some work into that. Or what is next? A potion to get all TT cards, a potion to get all pets? Or all big fishes?

Crafting is not something you need to do the main attraction of the game, so why should it be possible?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

No please dont, the jumping potions for battle jobs are already bad in my eyes, no need to make every part of the game that easy.

SE already did hint that they may make the crafting jobs easier but in the end they are side content..and sometimes you have to put some work into that. Or what is next? A potion to get all TT cards, a potion to get all pets? Or all big fishes?

Crafting is not something you need to do the main attraction of the game, so why should it be possible?

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you also don't need to level more than one job to 70 , but apparently they've made it possible to buy more than 1 leveling pot.

It'd be nice if people would stop referring to crafting to 50 or even 60 as "work".. it's not hard or even complex. It's simply time into grinding.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

you also don't need to level more than one job to 70 , but apparently they've made it possible to buy more than 1 leveling pot.

It'd be nice if people would stop referring to crafting to 50 or even 60 as "work".. it's not hard or even complex. It's simply time into grinding.

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It is still an amount of hours put into something to reach it. Of course it gets easier with time but then the question remains: If it gets easier with the beast tribes why need a potion? If its so easy why pay money? Why play the game at all? I am not a fan of jumping potions..but at least one can argue that a low battle job restricts you from playing with your friends in the current expansion. Crafting jobs dont.

Catching big fishes is also not work, just grind. Getting all the TT cards is just grind and not work. (And mostly RNG too). Why not have potions for those parts too?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

It is still an amount of hours put into something to reach it. Of course it gets easier with time but then the question remains: If it gets easier with the beast tribes why need a potion? If its so easy why pay money? Why play the game at all? I am not a fan of jumping potions..but at least one can argue that a low battle job restricts you from playing with your friends in the current expansion. Crafting jobs dont.

Catching big fishes is also not work, just grind. Getting all the TT cards is just grind and not work. (And mostly RNG too). Why not have potions for those parts too?

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You could argue some people have lives to live, an expendable amount of income, and are superfans of Final Fantasy. They want to experience everything the game has to offer without locking themselves in a room for 10 plus hours a day.

Is it unreasonable to allow them to eventually have all these things? It is just a game afterall. I think that most of this stuff could stay exclusive to in game only for x amount of time and then open up on the mog station for purchase.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

It is still an amount of hours put into something to reach it. Of course it gets easier with time but then the question remains: If it gets easier with the beast tribes why need a potion? If its so easy why pay money? Why play the game at all? I am not a fan of jumping potions..but at least one can argue that a low battle job restricts you from playing with your friends in the current expansion. Crafting jobs dont.

Catching big fishes is also not work, just grind. Getting all the TT cards is just grind and not work. (And mostly RNG too). Why not have potions for those parts too?

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Fishing requires weather, choice of skills and timing (though technically you can Gil bypass this by buying leve objectives). Getting all the TT cards requires beating some difficult opponents and knowing rules. Crafting only requires you have the mats to level with a tiny bit of RNG thrown in. I've leveled every single crafting discipline to at least 60 and personally it was all mindless grinding. Gil could have provided a shortcut but I had no need. .. I also wonder why people keep saying gil is useless when I could easily find any number of things in game it makes wayy easier.

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Originally Posted by Sanctify

Correction, p2w is already in the game. You wana talk about how it'd be bad for ppl to boost crafts? Open up your PF right now. What say you about the plethora of people selling 9-12s carrys for the literal best gear in the game available lol. And you can bet if you ain't got the gil they'll take your PayPal$$$ lmao.

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If theyre charging RMT, then thats a ToS violation and something SE would have to deal with. This goes back to my botter position, if youre gonna break the ToS why would you even spend money on the jump potions in that case. If people are selling 9-12S carries for GIL, then the question is how they got hte gil in the first place. If theyre breaking ToS to get Gil, goes back again to the botter position. Just because people break the ToS doesnt mean you should overhaul the system. This would be like saying "Some people bot to level 70, therefor everyone should just get free jump potions for any class they want." It's a really silly argument.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

In what sense does 1-50 server as a gate when with 150k-300k gil (and enough leves) you can buy 1-60 & have it done in no time?

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Again, where is that Gil coming from? If you spend your own time and Gil to power through crafting more efficiently, thats fine. That is an avenue available to you. Why should you get a jump potion for crafting then if the game already provides you with a more streamlined avenue if youve earned gil already? I mean, lets not even mention that you spending gil to level up your crafter is an investment your making into the MB, where buying a jump pot doesnt do this.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

And leveling/story skip pots weren't?

.. and when you say P2W .. win what exactly?

The money pile contest?

People can already straight out buy gil giving them access to all the things you're afraid of.

1-50 is only a gate if you start from scratch and have no resources. If these "bot"s you're afraid of wanted to be 50 crafting they could do it in a day with enough gil to buy mats OR maybe they just use another bot to farm all the necessaries and then use those mats to craft.

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This is being facetious. You know exactly what a P2W model is. Since crafting and gathering is more directly related to Gil acquisition (along with gear and consumables), it makes it a hell of a lot easier to clear content having those crafters/gatherers maxed for you when you can make yourself the top tier crafted gear going into a raid tier. Gating works as a form of balance, simply by saying "You want to have easier access to gil, then spend the time and effort leveling crafters/gatherers." Players who are to lazy to put in the minimum amount of effort either have to find other means of making Gil or just stay semi poor.

As for botters or buying Gil, these are against teh ToS and are done in a lot smaller means than what jump potions would allow. I love how everyone likes pointing out "Derp! People can buy Gil! Therefore jump potions please!" As I pointed out above, just cause some players break ToS doesnt mean that would be a great argument for jump potions. If youre gonna break ToS, why even use jump potions? So your account doesnt get banned? So you want your cake an eat it too at that point. To lazy to do the work but dont want to get banned for buying Gil? Just petition SE to give you that sweet sweet jump potion! That doesnt smack of self interest, game economy and other peoples hardwork be damned.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

This is being facetious. You know exactly what a P2W model is. Since crafting and gathering is more directly related to Gil acquisition (along with gear and consumables), it makes it a hell of a lot easier to clear content having those crafters/gatherers maxed for you when you can make yourself the top tier crafted gear going into a raid tier. Gating works as a form of balance, simply by saying "You want to have easier access to gil, then spend the time and effort leveling crafters/gatherers." Players who are to lazy to put in the minimum amount of effort either have to find other means of making Gil or just stay semi poor.

As for botters or buying Gil, these are against teh ToS and are done in a lot smaller means than what jump potions would allow. I love how everyone likes pointing out "Derp! People can buy Gil! Therefore jump potions please!" As I pointed out above, just cause some players break ToS doesnt mean that would be a great argument for jump potions. If youre gonna break ToS, why even use jump potions? So your account doesnt get banned? So you want your cake an eat it too at that point. To lazy to do the work but dont want to get banned for buying Gil? Just petition SE to give you that sweet sweet jump potion! That doesnt smack of self interest, game economy and other peoples hardwork be damned.

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And we already have P2W as far as Job level skip pots. Literally paying to skip towards endgame, making yourself more powerful along with a full set of gear for that level. AND making top tier crafted gear isn't as easy as I got all my crafts to 60, now I can make gear. You need TOP tier level 70 crafting gear and levels as well as Materials that are difficult to get at best. So the pay 2 win argument is pretty flat there. Aside from the fact that it's not even close to "crafting endgame" it just skips pretty much the grindiest most mindless levels. People aren't being gated by anything other than a requirement of time spend mindlessly churning out leveling trash. It's mindless drudgery , not some grand gauntlet that challenges only the faithful. People aren't lazy, but I bet a lot of people would rather spend 15-20 bucks instead of wasting a day you could be running fun things on making 800 steel bars.. then plates.. then shoes then the NEXT bars.. then plates.. etc etc.

And I mention the gil buying because the biggest concern people seem to bring up all the time is "BUT THE BOTTERS WILL..." You don't think these botters have access to the money already? They sell BILLIONS of gil, you don't think that if it was profitable they would have already cornered the market for high level crafting with gil leveled crafters and AH bought HQ gear?

People have quoted 150-300k to just Leve it up, so it's well within the reach of your average level 70 player to simply buy their way ingame without buying gil. When the cap was 60 it would have been pretty very unfair to the people who did that crazy grind for endgame crafting .. but now? 1-60, as all jobs is calculated and walkthrough written to hell. It's very possible for someone to do with minimal effort, it's just a slog.