Red Mages need some love

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Okay, but again, the support RDM brings does not justify its low damage. It's on the same damage tier as bard, therefore it should have the same level of support; it just doesn't.

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Oh, I agree RDM needs a damage buff as the only real support they bring every fight is Embolden and a couple "Oh crap" abilities. They should be adjusted to be a little above BRD/MCH levels, but shouldn't be pumping out the same damage as a BLM, for instance, as the person seemed to suggest with removing the "hybrid tax".

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Oh, I agree RDM needs a damage buff as the only real support they bring every fight is Embolden and a couple "Oh crap" abilities. They should be adjusted to me more around BRD/MCH levels, but shouldn't be pumping out the same damage as a BLM, for instance, as the person seemed to suggest with removing the "hybrid tax".

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Ah, I see. I apologize for the generalization and misunderstanding, just so used to people who both say what you said *and* defend the position that RDM is fine where it's at.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

RDM is already lower than bard in most instances. And you want it to be...even lower?

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Oh really? I didnt know rdm was already the lowest dps... Then dont lower the potency but make it a full support job , and lock out that dual cast verraise if thats one of the reason why we dont get more supports/dps (Swiftcast + Raise is more than enough)

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Originally Posted by Darkkos

Oh really? I didnt know rdm was already the lowest dps... Then dont lower the potency but make it a full support job , and lock out that dual cast verraise if thats one of the reason why we dont get more supports/dps (Swiftcast + Raise is more than enough)

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Sorry, I suppose I was pretty hostile. A lot of people assume RDM is really strong because they can see big numbers coming off of their spells, but a lot of things go into the job's overall dps that affect it: it has no DoT abilities, it has small burst phases with a big payoff phase if you use it right, and it has nothing that can capitalize on party bursts with. Not to mention that its core damage utility, embolden, doesn't even affect some of the heaviest hitting attacks in it's kit.

On the site that shall not be named, there are results for how every job ranks against each other for the whole tier.

If we're going to run with the idea that:
BLM=SAM
SMN=MNK
???=DRG
RDM=NIN

Then RDM needs to have a roughly equivalent support toolkit to NIN or BRD, like you said. I'm also in agreement with regards to verraise--the funniest thing is, I shouldn't even have to be, because dualcast verraise is an overestimated utility outside of bleeding-edge prog.

But why lower it's damage if they would add more support to the likes of Bard?
Red Mage IS currently lower damage then Bard and has less utility, they should at least boost it's damage regardless.

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Originally Posted by Maero

But why lower it's damage if they would add more support to the likes of Bard?
Red Mage IS currently lower damage then Bard and has less utility, they should at least boost it's damage regardless.

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I wasnt aware that rdm was that low.

Im a casual player and like Dualgunner said , in a casual group , rdm seems to be more than fine. I think the main problem is that , if they do give rdm potency boost, in casual group (And most of the player base are casual players) Rdm could be easily top dps and people will complain because the rotation of rdm is probably the easiest rotation of every jobs so , its easy to almost reach your full potential with really low learning curve.

I know now it has trouble to keep up with brd/nin in more hardcore group... And that doesnt make sense

But the classes are supposedly balanced with endgame in mind. I have never been one to care for fflogs but just look at it. It is very clear where Rdm stands for all content.
It really is that bad, lol. Heck even myself i consider myself very good at caster jobs and in this case RM and it is sad to see how far behind i am compaired to other jobs and those that also bring group utility.
Let's not forget how super simple some jobs were in AAR and yet had very good dps. We are far enough into this expansion that changes should have been made by now. Just a matter of my opinion of course

It's because FFXIV is an over-simplified MMO. No customization whatsoever. So if you don't like your RDM out of the box, too bad because all RDM's are the same....

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Originally Posted by maestroanth

It's because FFXIV is an over-simplified MMO. No customization whatsoever. So if you don't like your RDM out of the box, too bad because all RDM's are the same....

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...And what other MMOs have you played, exactly?

Look at endgame for WoW, for example. Literally EVERY class plays exactly the same in Antorus as well, with no deviation in talent builds whatsoever, and if you do, you're either treated like a troll, or someone completely new to your spec.

If vercure would be ogcd heal with small cooldown, RDM could support healers without dps loss like ninja can support tanks with extra enmity generation. I think that would be pretty cool idea?