is it okay to not enjoy big pulls?

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

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Because you're the one tanking, not them. Because you've assumed responsibility for getting the group through the dungeon that they have not. If the group wiping is going to be your fault then you deserve to be in control of at least what is currently being pulled and tanked. I understand DPS are impatient after sitting in the queue for probably half an hour. I see plenty of healers who are DPS that rerolled for faster queues. I myself have probably done the dungeon 30-50 times already and I'm more than capable of speed running. It's still nice to be able to slow down once in a while and breathe.

This is supposed to be a game, it's supposed to be fun. If you're going to make it stressful that's the opposite of fun and I'm going to stop playing. Tanks are always in demand because it's a stressful role. Why add to that?

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Originally Posted by Wyndam

Because you're the one tanking, not them.

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So?? You chose to tank. You're not taking on some great burden against your will. Yes, it's a game, but, again, it's a team game. If tanking according to your group's desires stresses you out so much, reroll as another role. Tanking is the easiest job in dungeons in the first place at 50, 60 and 70. Hold hate, position mobs, rotate cooldowns and self healing as necessary, do some extra dps if you want. That's it. You're only responsible for the group wiping if you don't do the first three.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

So?? You chose to tank. You're not taking on some great burden against your will. Yes, it's a game, but, again, it's a team game. If tanking according to your group's desires stresses you out so much, reroll as another role. Tanking is the easiest job in dungeons in the first place at 50, 60 and 70. Hold hate, position mobs, rotate cooldowns and self healing as necessary, do some extra dps if you want. That's it. You're only responsible for the group wiping if you don't do the first three.

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Summing things in two words sentences allways end up easy:

-Dealing damages
-Healing a bunch and dealing some damages

Everything seems quite easy when you simplify it to the easiest point.

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Originally Posted by MauvaisOeil

Summing things in two words sentences allways end up easy:

-Dealing damages
-Healing a bunch and dealing some damages

Everything seems quite easy when you simplify it to the easiest point.

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I definitely didn't use two word sentences, but sure I'll bite; what makes tanking in dungeons so much more stressful than any other role?

It's a matter of responsability, pacing choice, mistakes that will impact the whole group and that no other player will be able to deal with.

A dps does shit ? Well he dies, and the team continue even if he is dead.

The healer is on a same duty basis : You screw, everyone dies. The difference here is the role is mainly reactive and while a good healer will have to be reactive and pro active, he don't need to and can learn at a slower pace, just keeping everyone alive and focusing on this duty.

The tank on his side, is responsible on the pace , his own survival which is essential to the survival of the whole team, and threat which is fought against the DPS Performances of the two DPS présents. Pull a pack of three and get two BLM single target focusing two different ennemies, and you will get the whole "against" part.

It's no randomness that the tank are few and fewer. They endoss stress, criticism and heavy responsabilities, and while anyone can survivre a dungeon with a healer that is slow or healing focused, or a DPS that focus one target, avoid zoning or just play badly, a tank that is poorly played will end up in the worst experience you can have.

Then, if tanks are the easiest to play, why are they so few ?

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

So?? You chose to tank. You're not taking on some great burden against your will. Yes, it's a game, but, again, it's a team game. If tanking according to your group's desires stresses you out so much, reroll as another role. Tanking is the easiest job in dungeons in the first place at 50, 60 and 70. Hold hate, position mobs, rotate cooldowns and self healing as necessary, do some extra dps if you want. That's it. You're only responsible for the group wiping if you don't do the first three.

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I'm not saying I'm a martyr. Play any MMO and it'll be the same story for the same reason. Precisely because it's a team game you need to trust that your teammates have a reason for doing what they do. I might not pull wall to wall, for example, because I may see the two melee DPS in the group and know they'll lose more uptime dodging AoE than we'll gain from picking up another pack. Or that the healer won't be able to contribute DPS at that point. Or that adding the next pack on top of the pack and patrol I just pulled is going to stack up 3 AoEs which are going to be more groupwide damage than the healer can keep up with. In another game in another life, maybe I knew that pulling a third group of those dwarves meant that the entire party would be stunlocked to death.

It sounds like you're trying to take the opposite argument of "It's my sub, I do what I want," and say, "Yeah, well its our subs and we outnumber you, so you do what we want!" No. Nobody is anyone's boss here. They have their own job to do and as long as they're doing it, leave them alone.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

I definitely didn't use two word sentences, but sure I'll bite; what makes tanking in dungeons so much more stressful than any other role?

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The role itself isnt stressful. Its completely dependent on the individual and the random group they get paired with. Casuals who like to take things slow who dont friends to run with often get paired with hardcore speed runners who dont have friends to run with. Thats where stress comes from in these situations imo.

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Originally Posted by Kanitezz

The role itself isnt stressful. Its completely dependent on the individual and the random group they get paired with. Casuals who like to take things slow who dont friends to run with often get paired with hardcore speed runners who dont have friends to run with. Thats where stress comes from in these situations imo.

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Dont have friends*

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Originally Posted by Kanitezz

The role itself isnt stressful. Its completely dependent on the individual and the random group they get paired with. Casuals who like to take things slow who dont friends to run with often get paired with hardcore speed runners who dont have friends to run with. Thats where stress comes from in these situations imo.

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Yeah. The tank jobs are, by design, simpler than the DPS jobs. The complexity comes from adding in situational awareness and requiring the player to be proactive rather than reactive. You then put someone who is still learning those things in with people who have already run the content into the ground and it can make for a really bad time.

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Originally Posted by Wyndam

It sounds like you're trying to take the opposite argument of "It's my sub, I do what I want," and say, "Yeah, well its our subs and we outnumber you, so you do what we want!" No. Nobody is anyone's boss here. They have their own job to do and as long as they're doing it, leave them alone.

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Hey those are all valid points that you listed and all of those would be acceptable reasons for a tank to not pull big. However, the post I was originally replying to boiled down to "you're the tank. Just tell them that you don't want to pull big and if they don't like it they can leave." However the response to that statement should be "no, we'll just vote kick you and replace you, rather than deal with such selfish reasoning."