Sadly sayiing goodbye to SCH

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Originally Posted by sumiree

I macroed it to target my fairy as the point of disperse.
then you can manually adjust where you want to put your fairy

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Sadly this is what I've resorted to as well. I'd love to do it to the Warrior, but it's gone too quickly.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Been a SCH since 2.0 and made the change to AST, no regrets for now.
It's not a question of DPS or healing or even mana, there is simply nothing a SCH can do than an AST cannot.

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Oh sure there is. AST cannot provide constant and consistent FREE healing throughout the entirety of a fight. AST cannot single target heal anywhere near what up to 3 Lustrates can do in a matter of seconds. As stated by the previous poster, AST cannot shield and regen at the same time in the middle of battle. AST cannot provide consistent, sustained personal DPS. AST cannot spread both a crit shield AND Eye for an Eye to every member of the party.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

AST cannot spread both a crit shield AND Eye for an Eye to every member of the party.

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To be fair, neither can schs most of the time :^)

Can't really fish for critlo because of the high cost, and if spreading eye was kinda pointless before now it's even moreso since it takes up a role skill slot which you could use for something else... like CS.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

To be fair, neither can schs most of the time :^)

Can't really fish for critlo because of the high cost, and if spreading eye was kinda pointless before now it's even moreso since it takes up a role skill slot which you could use for something else... like CS.

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Neither of those points actually disprove the fact that we can do both of those things and ASTs cannot. Non-crit shields can still be deployed, Eye can still be deployed, neither of these things are doable by an AST.

I'd argue spreading Eye for an Eye is somewhat pointless as most damage will usually be focused on the tank(s) anyway so the rest of the group doesn't benefit from it as much, if at all.

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Originally Posted by jstamos

Neither of those points actually disprove the fact that we can do both of those things and ASTs cannot. Non-crit shields can still be deployed, Eye can still be deployed, neither of these things are doable by an AST.

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That would be because AST doesn't need to spread their shields. Noct Aspected Helios is already a larger shield than a non-crit Adlo, and is on the GCD instead of being locked behind Deployment Tactics's 120sec CD.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

That would be because AST doesn't need to spread their shields. Noct Aspected Helios is already a larger shield than a non-crit Adlo, and is on the GCD instead of being locked behind Deployment Tactics's 120sec CD.

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...yeah except we also have Succor, so you can save DT until you got a crit, if you wanted.

And let's be real: of all the healer skills that are teed up for the nerf bat, Noct shields are #1.

A Crit-Deploy vs a normal potency A.Helios or Succor can be the difference in taking any damage at-all or people barely surviving a mechanic they messed up compared to death. Or a tank/DPS missing some mitigation skill like Addle/Reprisal. So you can't say it's the same thing. The Scholar is always going to win in the Crit department.

E4E on a Deploy is kind of useless most of the time unless you are spreading for a like a double tank/adds situation. Like O3S Dragon, Giant/Ninja adds are notable places where both tanks and party can benefit from Deploy.

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Originally Posted by technole

A Crit-Deploy vs a normal potency A.Helios or Succor can be the difference in taking any damage at-all or people barely surviving a mechanic they messed up compared to death. Or a tank/DPS missing some mitigation skill like Addle/Reprisal. So you can't say it's the same thing. The Scholar is always going to win in the Crit department.

E4E on a Deploy is kind of useless most of the time unless you are spreading for a like a double tank/adds situation. Like O3S Dragon, Giant/Ninja adds are notable places where both tanks and party can benefit from Deploy.

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... out of curiosity, how much crit are you stacking to think of critlo as a being reliable?

I don't mean to imply it's not amazing. Really, it bloody well IS. It's a good thing to have and feels amazing when you do it, but is it something you can plan for?

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Originally Posted by jstamos

...yeah except we also have Succor, so you can save DT until you got a crit, if you wanted.

And let's be real: of all the healer skills that are teed up for the nerf bat, Noct shields are #1.

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Succor is in no way equivalent to Noct Asp.Helios or Deployed Adlo.

Succor: 150p (AoE)
Crit Succor: 210p (AoE)
Adlo: 300p (Single Target, Deployable on 120sec CD)
Crit Adlo: 840 (Single Target, Deployable on 120sec CD)

Asp.Helios: 258.75p (AoE)
Crit Asp.Helios: 362.25p (AoE)
Asp.Benefic: 575p (Single Target)
Crit Asp.Benefic: 805p (Single Target)

The only time SCH comes out on top is with a Critlo, and even then it's only by 35p. And we can't exactly rely on being able to get a crit. We can't even reasonably fish for them any more with the stat rebalances from the expansion and Adlo's increased cost.