Tank Scaling still a massive issue

People already tank EX primals in DPS stance. We have been the whole time. Where you been?

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Originally Posted by Ariyn

Lol. Right. So I guess the people testing all 3 tanks today and showing them all within 1% of each other shows how bad they are at balancing then right? It's actually very closely balanced right now.

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It's day 1, and dummies. Expect this to change over time and in-content.

Also, what about defensives and raid-wide benefits?

Currently that is incredibly in favor of PLD.

In 3.xx DRK brought Reprisal (removed) and Delirium (removed).

WAR I can't speak for, but knew they used to bring a slashing debuff (now every party will have this from SAM/NIN) and damage down debuff (removed).

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Originally Posted by Falar

It's day 1, and dummies. Expect this to change over time and in-content.

Also, what about defensives and raid-wide benefits?

Currently that is incredibly in favor of PLD.

In 3.xx DRK brought Reprisal (removed) and Delirium (removed).

WAR I can't speak for, but knew they used to bring a slashing debuff (now every party will have this from SAM/NIN) and damage down debuff (removed).

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War has exactly zero raid utility now, so yea same boat

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

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Thank you very much for explaining your point of view. You and I are not that much difference in point-of-views.

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Originally Posted by Ariyn

People already tank EX primals in DPS stance. We have been the whole time. Where you been?

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Yeah I already know that. I'm guilty of that myself and that's the problem. We already have far too much hp and shirk makes it too easy to tank in dps stance. I know some of the scrub tanks will start emulating what we do and fail then we'll see threads of healers complaining that tanks tank in dps stance, and trust me there are a lot out there if you've been in leveling df as a dps. However I only tank in dps stance only if I know the healers can handle it and/or the dps are weak.

Quicker fights are always the best from of mitigation.

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Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus

Sipherous. You misunderstand.

If this keeps as it is, you will eventually never be able to hold aggro even sitting in tank stance and spamming aggro combo.

For every 10 str we gain on side, dps gain 35. Eventually you can't hold hate to begin with unless se wants to buff our aggro output every other patch.

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You are overlooking tenacity and how it factors in as well while solely focusing on str. Yes str gives the largest dps boost between the two stats individually. However, combined the two stats play off each other to grant "X" effect. There is way more that can be tweaked to maintain threat levels than them just adding str. Focusing solely on str makes it seem like you are just wanting str to boost your personal dps. Not saying this is indeed your meaning just the perception I'm getting. Granted I only dabble in tanking but from the outside looking in that is the intial impression
I got.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Granted I only dabble in tanking but from the outside looking in that is the intial impression
I got.

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It's literally a DPS argument. Even if strength didn't get put on fending accessories, there'd be no issue holding threat at all in end-game content due to Shirk, absurd enmity modifiers, and all but Samurai and Monk having Threat drops.

And when the next expansion comes out, they rework and rebalance again. Threat isn't the issue.

I can't say this enough that Threat isn't the issue.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

It's literally a DPS argument. Even if strength didn't get put on fending accessories, there'd be no issue holding threat at all in end-game content due to Shirk, absurd enmity modifiers, and all but Samurai and Monk having Threat drops.

And when the next expansion comes out, they rework and rebalance again. Threat isn't the issue.

I can't say this enough that Threat isn't the issue.

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But he is arguing that it will be, but it is coming off to me as but my deeps! Never mind he is ignoring that so far dps primary stat gains on accessories are by the same amounts. So we are all scaling together. So far. Granted I have not inspected every piece of gear 310 to 320 yet. But I'm working on my 320 set.

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Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus

This is true but all this does is drive tanks away. It's fun to feel like you can contribute to fights and tank. But when you see your % of damage done consistently dropping every single gear upgrade it becomes demoralizing. Yeah you went up +10 dps and some hp. The dps just shot up another 200 dps this same tier and your performance starts to matter less and less and less.

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I actually stopped playing DRK atm cause everyone treats tanks like nothing but gimped dps. When I play a tank, I want to tank, not dps.

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Originally Posted by Inuakurei

I actually stopped playing DRK atm cause everyone treats tanks like nothing but gimped dps. When I play a tank, I want to tank, not dps.

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You can play as a tank. You can even play as what you believe a tank is, and I assume that is the focus on purely mitigation and aggro. You can stay in ShO/Grit/Defiance and press your aggro combo only and you will pass.

Just accept that you are objectively playing bad.

When you are given the choice to do more, and you choose to play a factually inferior playstyle for the sake of abiding to your belief of what a tank should be in your eyes then you are actively choosing to play badly, and the people calling you bad have every right to.

I like playing as a tank that does more then be a required meatwall. I like playing a Warrior with a greataxe that shrugs off hits AND cleaves fools. That is a tank to me. That is a WARRIOR/DARK KNIGHT/PALADIN THAT REMEMBERS THEY HAVE A SWORD TOO.