Balance was balanced

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

Oh it's only at the spear, my bad. 20sec duration, for some reason I thought it was to all the cards.
mmm, but then, shouldn't the spear duration be brought up to 30sec? Unless crit is that good I dunno...

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Np. ^^ I was just wondering if there was something I missed in there. O.o
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they just kept it at 20 seconds to avoid people thinking Spear is an overtuned card now.

Though...the notes are mentioning something about Spire's tooltip displaying 20 seconds where as it's supposed to be 30, but if I'm remembering correctly, Spire has always had a 20 second duration. :think: Unless they're talking about the duration that you can hold the card. Because, as far as I remember, Bole, Balance, and Arrow were all 30 second buffs, and Spear, Spire, and Ewer 20 seconds.

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An issue wherein help text for the astrologian card the Spire states the duration of its effect is 20 seconds rather than 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

Where exactly is THIS coming from? I'm looking at the patch notes and I'm not seeing any healing buffs...

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Please take a look at AST during 3.0 through 4.05, I was clearly talking about previous iterations of AST. AST previously offered okay heals and great buffing capability, with 4.0 that's great heals and great buffing capability. That's what I'm talking about specifically.

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Originally Posted by Born_Free

So when the ASTs were bitching in HW about how bad they were doing, it's fine, but when we get nurfed to the floor, it's completely legit.
Get over yourself.



Oh look it's the "Astrologians have an RNG mechanic so it makes everything totally legit" defense! I love these.
((By the way, ain't nobody got infinite MP anymore.))

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At least we were complaining about what OUR job didn't have, instead of what the other jobs had and how we wanted them to get nerfed everywhere possible.

We were expecting something else than what they gave us. We never expected our heals to be akin to WHM/SCH. So it's not our fault we "step on other healers' territory". This is what we got and this is what we have to work with. You can't just complain until they make us completely useless just because of your pet peeve, or else there's no point in having new healer jobs implemented if they do the same thing they did with AST.

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Originally Posted by Tyla_Esmeraude

At least we were complaining about what OUR job didn't have, instead of what the other jobs had and how we wanted them to get nerfed everywhere possible.

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Originally Posted by Cyrocco

Three Jobs

Two Jobs Preferred, Buff Third.

One Job Preferred, Nerf That One.

If all three healers are viable, but one is strongly preferred, the special one needs to be brought down to match.

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They followed the proper pattern for Heavensward, not so much for Stormblood. But buffed AST so much through Heavensward, and added so much going into Stormblood that AST became the Preferred Job. Hence, nerfs needed.

Anyone know if this new spear increase is "flat increase" or 10% of player crit chance?

good news indeed, dont mind the balance nerf at all, now i have reason to pick spear. The change for hyper lightspeed is not game breaking too so iam fine with it.

Also
cross class skill esuna : Mp cost reduced

I think the dev is reading that esuna thread :D

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Originally Posted by Starflake

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The uptime is much greater but the effect is not the same.
Chain strategem has a much better DPS check value than spear.
Spear (or cards in general) might bring more dps overall throughout the fight, that is for sure, but it still an unreliable source of dps since it's RNG.



At least Chain Strategem can be hold to bring significant DPS boost when you need unlike the AST. If you have your spear/balance aoe ready and want to keep it for that dps check in 2min, that mean you can't buff at all for two mins. If you use it, you know there's a non trivial chance that you won't get an aoe dps boost card for the dps check.

Also, you forsee many things, we can draw every 30sec, but it's random, you might as well draw 10 ewer bole and spire in a row. And it does happen, I've done several susano with not a single balance or Arrow. (aoe ewer power)
You point at the mana regen utility but again, if you use ewer, you can't RR your next potential dps card.

AST needed a nerf on one thing, and that thing was balance.
SCH needed an overall buff and they got it. We can argue that Aldo still cost too much mana but the gap between the two job is much narrower now.

And we got a useless rework on speed of light... omg what a crap skill.
So what, now we need to waste essential dignity to reduce that crap skill CD?

p.s I was actually fearing a nerf on grounded star but I'm happy they didn't touch it.

For BRDs and MNKs:

http://i.imgur.com/xt9a1pu.jpg

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Originally Posted by Cyrocco

They followed the proper pattern for Heavensward, not so much for Stormblood. But buffed AST so much through Heavensward, and added so much going into Stormblood that AST became the Preferred Job. Hence, nerfs needed.

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We got the nerf that everyone's been hailing for and people have STILL found something to cry about. Go outside and play if this game is making you so unhappy. Pick a flower. Chase a butterfly. Find your happy place. At the rate this is going, they could prune all of our healing spells and make us an auto-attack job and people would still complain that our Star Globes are too damn shiny.

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

We got the nerf that everyone's been hailing for and people have STILL found something to cry about. Go outside and play if this game is making you so unhappy. Pick a flower. Chase a butterfly. Find your happy place. At the rate this is going, they could prune all of our healing spells and make us an auto-attack job and people would still complain that our Star Globes are too damn shiny.

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I'll complain about my main as much as I like. And you were just hailing how the Card changes are great, so I don't see how this is a bad "rate" for the balancing to be moving at.

If what you people want is a meta where AST is not primary in a raid setup then go cry in a corner because that is never going to happen. Damage utility will always be preferred in top tiers.