Please don't Nerf Vercure

No why? That would defeat the purpose of red mage. Only reason why red mage as a better cure than smn is because of the white magic they use. It only makes sense.

Please don't need red mage Vercure, it's fine where it's at. It's helpful for keeping the main tank up while rezzing healers, but in no way have I seen successfully replace a healer.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

No why? That would defeat the purpose of red mage. Only reason why red mage as a better cure than smn is because of the white magic they use. It only makes sense.

Please don't need red mage Vercure, it's fine where it's at. It's helpful for keeping the main tank up while rezzing healers, but in no way have I seen successfully replace a healer.

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It's not fine. SMN has no way to actually keep their alive and are at the mercy of other healers paying attention (they don't care) or constantly moving them. Unlike RDM, SMN actually has a logical reason to have to heal something. So no. RDM either gets Physick levels of healing or SMN gets RDM levels of healing.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

It's not fine. SMN has no way to actually keep their alive and are at the mercy of other healers paying attention (they don't care) or constantly moving them. Unlike RDM, SMN actually has a logical reason to have to heal something. So no. RDM either gets Physick levels of healing or SMN gets RDM levels of healing.

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Summoners don't use white magic. Class flavor says that they don't get a strong heal. That is what the devs said, and that is how it is. Don't compare the class design of summoner to rdm.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Summoners don't use white magic. Class flavor says that they don't get a strong heal. That is what the devs said, and that is how it is. Don't compare the class design of summoner to rdm.

That is all.

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Still not understanding why a Scholar can heal well with Physick and do the same damage with Bio and Miasma yet SMN is unable to. Like I said, either nerf RDM or buff SMN.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Summoners don't use white magic. Class flavor says that they don't get a strong heal. That is what the devs said, and that is how it is. Don't compare the class design of summoner to rdm.

That is all.

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and SMN wouldn't need that heal to be strong (wouldn't need to have it at all since its so worthless without the proper scaling) if we got sustain back.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

Nerf it to be as weak as Physick on SMN. That's fair.

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How many times does it need to be said so people understand? RDM uses both black and white magic. SMN is a specialized job that doesn't. RDM's cure being stronger than SMN's makes sense lore and battle wise. Like Jkap said in no situation can nor have we ever replace a healer. Our cure is not that strong to keep a whole party alive. Like Yoshi said, stop trying to make SMN be like a RDM or in this case, stop trying to turn RDM into something that isn't.

In any case, replace Physick with Sustain or something to help keep pets alive. I think that matters more to SMN than being able to heal a party member.

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Originally Posted by Tyla_Esmeraude

How many times does it need to be said so people understand? RDM uses both black and white magic. SMN is a specialized job that doesn't. RDM's cure being stronger than SMN's makes sense lore and battle wise. Like Jkap said in no situation can nor have we ever replace a healer. Our cure is not that strong to keep a whole party alive. Like Yoshi said, stop trying to make SMN be like a RDM or in this case, stop trying to turn RDM into something that isn't.

In any case, replace Physick with Sustain or something to help keep pets alive. I think that matters more to SMN than being able to heal a party member.

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Why is RDM able to Raise? Isn't that making RDM like SMN? They were the only one who could do that before. Also lore wise? Have you ever played any FF game with a Summoner in them? Healing isn't foreign to them. RDM has no reason to heal. SMN does. From a gameplay perspective, it makes sense for SMN to have a heal. RDM just has one because why not.

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Originally Posted by Tyla_Esmeraude

How many times does it need to be said so people understand? RDM uses both black and white magic. SMN is a specialized job that doesn't. RDM's cure being stronger than SMN's makes sense lore and battle wise. Like Jkap said in no situation can nor have we ever replace a healer. Our cure is not that strong to keep a whole party alive. Like Yoshi said, stop trying to make SMN be like a RDM or in this case, stop trying to turn RDM into something that isn't.

In any case, replace Physick with Sustain or something to help keep pets alive. I think that matters more to SMN than being able to heal a party member.

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If I remember my ACN quests, you don't use white magic for Physick. That is my problem with this argument. It goes against the ACN quests of you being told you learned magic through patterns and symbols. SCH seems to use Physick just fine, why can't SMN?

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

Why is RDM able to Raise? Isn't that making RDM like SMN? They were the only one who could do that before. Also lore wise? Have you ever played any FF game with a Summoner in them? Healing isn't foreign to them. RDM has no reason to heal. SMN does. From a gameplay perspective, it makes sense for SMN to have a heal. RDM just has one because why not.

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RDM can verraise because a white mage can raise. Rdm can vercure because a white mage can cure. Red Mage can verfire because blm can fire. Rdm can verthunder because blm can Thunder.

I would like it if during balancing, they left physick at 400, and added that damage taken is reduced by 5-10% for 5 seconds. SCH would need balanced around this, but it would help SMN contribute to it's own survival. As for pets, i feel like rouse should restore a pets HP to full each time its used. Allow Chocos to heal pets and smn loses its need for sustain, while increasing utility and dps.

That said, SMNs shouldn't be asking for a heal comparable to rdm, but a way to contribute to keep their pet alive and maybe raid utility.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

Why is RDM able to Raise? Isn't that making RDM like SMN? They were the only one who could do that before. Also lore wise? Have you ever played any FF game with a Summoner in them? Healing isn't foreign to them. RDM has no reason to heal. SMN does. From a gameplay perspective, it makes sense for SMN to have a heal. RDM just has one because why not.

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Just like healing isn't foreign to RDM in all the past FF titles. O.o