PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

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Originally Posted by Hitsuzen

No one is going to kick a healer and risk waiting another 20 minutes in queue

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Tanks, healers. Doesn't matter. You messing around, you being lazy? Not in my party.

I've kicked plenty of tanks before. I'll just proceed without them if I have to.

Healers less often because I usually play healer myself. But nobody gets a free pass.

It's not like healers couldn't DPS without the stance dance. They just did less damage. It was most useful in solo PVE and as a cross class with arcanist to get rid of those stupid stat switch scrolls. Really, a healer's job is healing, any extra damage they toss off while keeping everyone from being dead is a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Taika

No one said that. People are saying you're more likely to get kicked for not using your DPS abilities now, since the cleric stance excuse is out of the picture.

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Just give it some time when it does come about. I can guarantee people will be kicking healers for not having it. We will (eventually) become that stupid.

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

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While I don't mind the healers not DPSing, unlike the more vocal peers, I do mind if you refuse to contribute when necessary. If you hold the means between wipe and victory, possibly due to fight mechanics (e.g. CC'd DPS that need to be freed through damage), and you refuse to do it on principle rather than ignorance of the fight, that's where you are part of the (if not the sole) problem with the group. You can't be an impartial bystander when a big problem is because of you. This applies to any role or player, when you really break it down.

I knew this would happen; SE gives you no excuse not to dps now and people are already preemptively making up new excuses. Why was my enjoyment taken away for the sake of people like this? I am glad for the healers it may genuinely help but for the ones still chanting dps is optional you are spitting on my grave right now.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Tanks, healers. Doesn't matter. You messing around, you being lazy? Not in my party.

I've kicked plenty of tanks before. I'll just proceed without them if I have to.

Healers less often because I usually play healer myself. But nobody gets a free pass.

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Need more people like us :3

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

Oh? Last time I checked, they said something about being able to dps freely without cleric stance and removing accuracy requirements, which makes
it even easier to dps as a healer. Also, Holy got nerfed because it was ridiculously OP. And it still is amazing even now.

No matter if you like it or not.

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The accuracy changes were a global improvement (if I'd hazard a guess, it was because of those weird accuracy requirements on savage content), along with parry being obsolete and paladin blocking now also works on magic attacks.
Just because the healers can dps, doesn't mean they should.

Here, because people love to use this one:

http://i.imgur.com/GHQlIYA.jpg

Emphasis on may here, if you need to know what it means.

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Originally Posted by SlogDog

I knew this would happen; SE gives you no excuse not to dps now and people are already preemptively making up new excuses. Why was my enjoyment taken away for the sake of people like this? I am glad for the healers it may genuinely help but for the ones still chanting dps is optional you are spitting on my grave right now.

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You didnt die in vain. I know Im not the only one who will push more dps because of the change. Knowing a random bit of lag wont assist me in killing my party is a godsend.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

The accuracy changes were a global improvement (if I'd hazard a guess, it was because of those weird accuracy requirements on savage content), along with parry being obsolete and paladin blocking now also works on magic attacks.Just because the healers can dps, doesn't mean they should.

Here, because people love to use this one:

http://i.imgur.com/GHQlIYA.jpg

Emphasis on may here, if you need to know what it means.

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DPS should DPS then?

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Originally Posted by Hamada

This is a problem with people that can't get a full picture and tell people what is wrong. If a healer is running out of mp, it is a HIGH CHANCE there is a DPS problem. A good example was last week when my friend took whm to expert. Every pull she OOM, and she knew it was because the brd was very bad. (wide volley spam, no dot spread, so on) So after OOM on the first boss she said ballad me, and spamed holy(trash ofc) and such more to make up for the brd's lack of DPS.

If a healer is running out of MP it can be for the following reasons:
Tank is bad/ undergeared/ ilevel bypassing/ not using CDS/ standing in too much bad
DPS are not doing enough damage/ilevel bypassing/ using wrong rotations/ not using buffs/improper secondaries
Healer overhealing/ healer overdpsing (holy overlaping stuns can be an issue, if you do not space it out so monsters have the full stun effect, then people take more damage then need be)

A good healer should be able point out those problems, work out a solution, or back off on dps.

Healers need to DPS if you are trying world first, other then that no they do not need to, but I will find it insulting just to stand there doing a single action 20 sec-1 min. I done A1S farming as a solo healer where cleminty here and there and selene was the only healing going on.

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i270 brd too

If you are standing around doing nothing, then you will be kicked in my party. It is also not enjoyable to spam heals to heal someone to only recover 100 hp or less each time. If tanks can't hit 1 button a minute and get away with it, or dps, healers shouldn't.

I have the option to DPS off auto attacks, how would most feel about that?

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

If the players who watched the Live Letter and want kick Healers that don't DPS, they heard what Yoshi P said. He said if a healer don't want to DPS is ok. And it is not the first time he said it. So, please, stop with this. Heal DPS is a option, not a obligation, and that won't change on Stormblood.

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Yoshi also said all jobs are balanced and can clear everything. It didn't stop people from making memes out of Monk and Paladin. The community does what it wants and this change practically guarantees a large amount of statics will kick healers who aren't DPSing.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Tanks, healers. Doesn't matter. You messing around, you being lazy? Not in my party.

I've kicked plenty of tanks before. I'll just proceed without them if I have to.

Healers less often because I usually play healer myself. But nobody gets a free pass.

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Agreed, granted I will check my FC and friends first before kicking them but you can bet if one of them says yes, I will throw up a vote kick very quickly and even chime in "I got a replacement ready"