And you blindly ignore Xelphatol.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell
Even if we were to ignore the fact that incomplete summoning is canon, why aren't we at least getting more egis? We were promised to get them 3 years ago lol.
I really enjoy pet classes in MMOs but at this rate I don't think that beastmaster would be a good idea at all.
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03-13-2017, 05:28 AMRirita
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03-13-2017, 05:47 AMDarthSanguine
Shogun. (Basically what SAM should have been)
Role - Tank
Weapon - either a Kanabo or an Odachi (like Sephiroth's sword). -
03-13-2017, 07:08 AMJerbobI'm just gonna poke my nose in here too and suggest that lore is infinitely mutable. If we didn't have a SMN class at all in XIV, and someone suggested "Egis" here on this forum, the same logic that people like to use would apply - there is lore that expressly prohibits summoning in any form, so Summoner cannot exist in this game. SE added an addendum to their own lore with the inclusion of these floating pieces of modelling clay, allowing XIV SMN to exist - there is absolutely no reason why they couldn't do it again. Or, indeed, have done a much better job originally. Or even just make the job and class mechanically better and still call them "Egis"!Quote:
Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell
I'm sure there are reasons SE would claim make a proper summoner impractical in this game, but I personally don't believe that lore is one of them. I mean, look what they did with regards to new egis - SE said they don't want new egis for "what would they even do?" reasons, and they magically generate more restrictive lore to back it up. That's fine, I suppose, as a way of sorting things out in the FFXIV world, but it doesn't suddenly make the decision inviolable because it's enshrined in lore.
I will admit that perhaps I was too strong calling XIV SMN a monstrosity. I mean, it's fine mechanically, and I am sure a lot of people really enjoy it. That's fine! I'd probably enjoy it if it was reskinned and retargetted as something not-SMN (although they'd have to lose the books. I really, really hate the books. So much). I just cannot feel comfortable calling a class summoner if it barely does any actual summoning. That's the whole reason I like the summoner of Final Fantasy, and to see it changed so radically for what appears to be very little reason or gain is deeply frustrating.
The producer has in the past mentioned that certain jobs have had to be "reinterpreted" to fit into XIV's restrictive framework, so I don't think it's just my imagination.
A hyperbolic example: assume that XIV Warrior no longer exists, and Botanist is called Warrior. It ticks some of the boxes - it has an axe, sort of, it can technically attack enemies, and I could put it in some equipment that makes it look ferocious... possibly. But shouldn't Warrior be able to take and deal out hits? Well, XIV's interpretation of Warrior is a gatherer that makes you money so you can buy powerful weapons for your other jobs - Warrior deals damage in that way, through economics. That's baffling, though just within the bounds of logical thought, but it's not what I signed up for. I signed up for the Warrior/Fighter of the Final Fantasy world. For me, Summoner is the same.
Apologies for derailing a bit, but I think my point stands - my new job wish is Summoner, and for the souped-up Arcanist we already have (which is fine!) to be called Arcanist from 1 to 60. -
03-13-2017, 09:19 AMNaesakiAshwellI wasn't blindly ignoring Xelphatol so please don't just assume things thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ririta
I am however annoyed about the lack of new egi's as the next person, I would love to see some more doing a variety of different things, Like one of them more focused on doing aoe damage / to be given more of a reason to shift them around in combat. :sigh: Anyway, I shouldn't open my mouth any more, I'm just frustrated at the job I love to play constantly being *words I can't say* on non-stop by people. Its so soul crushing at times, though I do apologise for lashing out at Jerbob.
And who knows come Stormblood the new Summoner abilities might revolve around some more pet interaction which would be nice, I'd even like them to expand the amount of abilities each Egi has.
Anyway thats enough derailing, not gonna reply again about this. We all have our opinions on the matter, lets just leave it at that. -
03-13-2017, 10:18 AMRiritaSorry, this is a really hot topic to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell
I trash talk summoner because I love the job so much. I just wanted it to be "appropriate", be it with real summons or egis. -
03-13-2017, 04:33 PMSmokeyTheSequel
I would like the current jobs changed up that allow them to perform more roles. paladin healer, whm dps, ninja tank, drg tank, drk dps, war dps. Ditch the whole disciple of *** and just give them different soul stones like arcanist.
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03-13-2017, 04:48 PMDuelleThere's also the fact that front-line healers generally don't work. People's outlook on FFXI's DNC tends to conveniently ignore that it became primarily a survivability/soloing subjob and it was not a reliable healer due to cooldowns on Waltzes and the amount of time it took to generate the TP to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cidel
Since I believe tanks need different aesthetics beyond "guy in plate armor", I think DNC would work as a tank. -
03-13-2017, 05:01 PMInosaska
Magus
White Knight
Time Mage
Ranger
Gambler
These would be the jobs I would like to see added to the game. -
03-13-2017, 05:06 PMArutan
I wonder if people know what "after trying the 2 new jobs" means. Tho seeing that most people don't know what "wait" means in the diadem I have a doubt. Or is it a lack of kindness? Probably both.
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03-13-2017, 05:14 PMAlacranAgreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthSanguine
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