Got kicked from The Aetherochemical Research Facility by mentor

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

The problem with this sentiment is that, if things were actually meant/designed for mass pulling, they'd all just be grouped together to begin with. Big pulls is great, sure, more efficient, etc, etc, but every player is entirely free to play to their own style, and it's a bit of a dick move to expect/force players not comfortable with that to just suck it up to please (the collective) you. Can you really not see how toxic it is to say, "This is how we expect everyone to play the game at this point; get good or get out."?

Spamming "pull all" accomplishes nothing. Maybe the mentor could've accomplished more by actually encouraging and educating to that end. Be positive about it and you might actually get a new mass pull tank. Be a little htcib like OP mentor, and you could very well end up with one less tank in the game.

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I think it's fairly obvious that monsters are spread to accommodate the least experienced players who struggle to fulfill their role. There has been a shift to pull more monsters because the playerbase has figured that there is a better/faster way to complete the dungeon, who push themselves and excel in their individual roles. This means everyone uses their CDs effectively to both live through large pulls as they are being killed quickly with AoE damage.

If certain players are not as well-accustomed to their roles and the rest of party would like to finish the dungeon quickly, it is completely fine to dismiss an underperforming member in favor of one who is able to play through regular dungeon content. This is a playstyle difference and dismissing someone under this pretense is completely legitimate.

Everyone is free to play their own style, but remember, you're in a party of other people, majority rules. Please stop villainizing superior play.

I'm very sorry for that bad taste of experience, but the damage is done an is time to patch it.
Try to find a mentor, not even that but a person that main your class to teach you an make you a better tank, you be surprise the amount of people that will love to teach rotations, strategies how to pull an use your CDs.
Not sure if I can get with you in cross server PF, I'll be happy to go a few runs an teach you how to be an agresive tank, you will get lot of commendation.
All you need is practice an the confidence.
An like the trailer of God of war:
Don't be sorry, be better.

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Originally Posted by Nirokun

Everyone is free to play their own style, but remember, you're in a party of other people, majority rules. Please stop villainizing superior play.

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As soon as you stop villainizing relaxing play? Lol. There's even that word there, "play," that suggests we don't have to dedicate every ounce of effort to the cause.
I mean, this argument won't get anyone anywhere, obviously, but again, there is this sentiment that you are literally saying "You're not good enough to play this game, get lost."

Might be worth asking, which mentality makes for a more toxic game? The players that just want to play, or the players that feel like they have to be pro and anyone not living up to their expectations isn't worth their time?

Does fun even factor into your considerations at all when playing? Or do you really just expect every run of every dungeon/raid/trial to run exactly the same, as long as everyone is performing at the level you want? The whole "different playstyle" argument is really kinda weak when you consider the end result is elitism and the removal of all variety and anything deemed different. What's even the point of playing the game at that stage? Just becomes mindless repetition.

Remember, you're in a party of people, and people come in all types. Isolate yourself if you want, yo, but isn't the whole point of MMO community play? Communities are a mixed bag.

Also worth mentioning I'm not trying to seem like I'm picking on you or anything. I just like being argumentative.

Relax OP, even if you pull them all, there could be a case that you might not be able to hold enmity or the healer couldn't heal you back and it could cause a wipe, then you would have been kick anyway.

Either you pull all or not, you would have been kicked if you were group with this kind of people.

It's not only happen with mentor though, it just happened to be that player is a mentor. I felt bad for you OP.

OP - you were completely in the right & should pay little attention to those who say "well just do as you're told & pull more". Why? Because you're the one who knows your abilities the best so know if you can hold hate & control the multiple mobs in this particular situation. People also forget that they may be sitting at i260 (synced to i180) whilst you could easily be at i145 - that makes a big difference when it comes to holding hate.

Personally, as a healer, I've seen disasters in ARF when tanks pull too large simply because of the sync issue, my heals can struggle to keep up with damage from huge pulls, especially if the tank loses hate to an overzealous DPS who doesn't pay attention. I've actually started to warn people at the start of the dungeon "Remember, this is synced & my heals are nowhere near as strong as in endgame" because tanks are sometimes expecting a regular 3k+ Physick when they might only get <1k.

OP, did you get the dungeon done yet? I'm on the same data center with you, so if you still need it and put a cross-server party finder up for it, I can join as a healer. :)

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Originally Posted by Kragon

But all these left a very bad taste in my mouth. Is being a new player in mmorpgs a crime nowadays?

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it is not hard to become and mentor, and there are no psychological selection for mentor
in your case, you just met some "@ss"
tank is the one control the pace, and i respect his/her choice
in DF with 3 total strangers, i dont mind anything, it is all about the comfort of tank and heal
and I would say the so call mentor you met, is no more than just an "@ss" want a crown next to his/her name, and by his/her action, his/her mentor should be stripe

btw and trust me, the community is no where better in most case
those mentality are like virus outbreak

big or small pull all depend on Tank gear and healer gear
like earlier i was doing 5X in DF, the tank literally pull everything he can, and i have to spam Cure II to keep up with is lose, which drain my Mana to almost 20% at every pull and he give me no time to regen my Mana

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Originally Posted by Nirokun

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Dismissing a player for completely neglecting their role is reasonable. I've seen players who don't pay attention and either only auto-attack or, if healer, let someone die.

But dismissing someone new because they're not pulling as big as you'd like is unfair. This is someone who is playing this dungeon for the first time. It's understandable that the person is apprehensive. Tank isn't the role that can afford to mess up, so it's clear why the player would want to play safe.

If you want to farm lore, do it with party finder or fc mates. Otherwise, be patient and enjoy your bonus.

As for the OP, keep practicing. The more practice and the more times you run it, you'll get a better feel for just how much you can pull.

And it's not about villainizing superior play. It's about villainizing impatience and the unfair demand placed on a new tank still trying to figure out the dungeon.

most people who you see whit the mentor crown aren't trully mentors, they should be teaching new players, but they don't, they should be helpfull, but they are (censored), never expect anything from them, and if you see a mentor what do what they should do, they are worth of a comend, since they are true mentors

Everyone in such a rush to beat content now a days. Do it my way or get out. If your in such a rush why you doing duty finder. Get a party and rush away. Role should be able to enjoy duty finder at there own paste. Just like I see people get mad when someone watching a cut scene. Sometimes I just don't understand how people think. I just go with the tanks pase. If he pulls big or small I just go with the flow. If I ever get to the point to where I need to rush through something I will just get a group and do it, not use duty finder.