Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

A healer who doesn't or refuses to DPS is just not a good healer. They gave healers utility to deal damage for a reason

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Yes because otherwise the solo fights in the MSQ would be pretty much impossible just like fates/beast tribes etc.

Personally I don't mind if healer don't do any damage for whatever their reason may be as long as they keep everyone alive. It's not even required that they do damage outside of current end content raids anyway but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

A healer who doesn't or refuses to DPS is just not a good healer. They gave healers utility to deal damage for a reason, and with tanks now doing less it is far MORE important then ever for healers to do their jobs.

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That's just silly now.

Oh look this thread again, this one going to reach 30 pages of people arguing also?

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Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph

No no no just no. If tanks doing less damage is slowing down runs it does NOT fall to the healers to pick up the slack. The DPS need to step up their game if it's going that slow. Healer dps is not required and saying someone is a bad healer for not dpsing is just dumb.

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But that's what it means to be a healer! Carrying all dps is their job, not like those DPS should learn to play or even try to get better! Honestly, healer DPS is nothing but a crutch groups use to cheese fights, since it's so much easier than calling out a bad DPS for not being able to do their job. Considering the tank nerf, I'm just waiting for SE to nerf cleric stance, somehow.

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Originally Posted by sorahu

So allow me to elaborate on the title, a couple days ago In a normal run of the antitower I noticed the healer not healing the tank due to the tanks had high migration of damage from packs of mobs. So I was watching this and also noticed the healer staying in cleric stance longer and longer burning mp on trash mob, bosses etc but not healing the tank until like 3k hp left. Mind you the tank had 21,000 hp lol. Then the healer raged on the tank and told him/her to use buffs to migrate more damage

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Contrary to popular belief, a tank's job is not to just hold the hate but to mitigate incoming damage as best as possible. So if any tank, or anyone for that matter tells you the tank is doing their job by just holding hate when they're getting hit like trucks due to them ignoring CD's, they're wrong and should be kicked out of the party.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

Yes because otherwise the solo fights in the MSQ would be pretty much impossible just like fates/beast tribes etc.

Personally I don't mind if healer don't do any damage for whatever their reason may be as long as they keep everyone alive. It's not even required that they do damage outside of current end content raids anyway but that's just me.

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Do you mind DPS who don't bother to dodge any not-immediately-lethal AOEs and refuse to use self-healing? I mean, worrying about HP pools and damage taken isn't *THEIR* responsibility. Doing those things exist just to help with solo MSQ fights!

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Originally Posted by Powercow

Do you mind DPS who don't bother to dodge any not-immediately-lethal AOEs and refuse to use self-healing? I mean, worrying about HP pools and damage taken isn't *THEIR* responsibility. Doing those things exist just to help with solo MSQ fights!

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If I'm just healing then no, I don't mind at all. I don't even care if they die I'll just raise.

A good healer will always DPS as well as healing. That's what the skills are there for. However, the healer in your dungeon happened to be rude about it. Healers primary job is still to heal, and no healer should ever put DPS before healing.

I don't know about normal, but I've been DPSing my heart out since my second or so run of Stone Vigil, when I realized I had MP and time between heals to spare as long as the tank was doing his job. I'm that daredevil healer who takes great satisfaction in maybe making the tank pee himself a little when he realizes he only has 300 HP left before rescuing him just in the nick of time XD.

If you're noticing it more lately, it's probably because with tanks actually wearing tank gear, even healers who maybe aren't as confident in their skills (or as cruel) as I am are finding that they have a lot of downtime to fill between heals. It gets really boring to play a class that spends 80% of their time standing around waiting for something to happen, so if you want to be good at and really enjoy the class, you find other things to do when your primary role isn't required. I assume the rest of them are just watching netflix in a second window :\.

I WILL say that the healer in the TC's run was being pretty rude, though. It doesn't sound like anyone died, so there's no reason to start screaming at the tank, especially if they still had 3k hp left...that's plenty to finish up a moderate pull, and in a big pull probably means the healer forgot to refresh medicaII and regen when they fell off.

Oh god.

Can't we just agree that a healer that doesn't dps is average while a healer that does DPS and heal is good? >.<