3.15 relics...

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Originally Posted by Cherie

It was done so you don't have to replace some armor just cause you got a nice weapon that had accuracy.

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Lol this is bull. Accuracy serves no purpose to the players, it's yet another gear check. If they had us in mind, they would have gotten rid of it. You can bet they stopped putting acc so it takes longer to get the proper gear they want you to have to pass the dps checks (and healers can't help as much).

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Originally Posted by Rocond

That lolparry has you that excited?

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I doubt. But it will be a nice Glamor for the Artefact Shield. As for the Sword, I will gladly take the Relic one as the Artefact Sword has Parry that is even more wasted than SS.
At least until we see that our DMG will scale from Parry better than from STR. :D

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Then maybe they should have spent all those months thinking about ways to make all the alternatives viable instead of releasing junk.

But that would require putting some thought into it instead of rolling a dice to determine stats and we can't have that, they're working so hard already changing the text quests from 2.0 and reskinning old models.

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So you want a copy of your BiS Weapon, because you will not get a better ilvl that is currently in Alexander Savage?
You have the choise of 4 Engame Weapons:

- ThordanEX Weapon if you are good enough for it.
- Alexander Savage Weapon if you are good enough for it.
- Artefact Upgrade if you are good enough for Alexander Savage.
- Relic Quest if you can't beat the other content.

This absolute QQ about the Relic Weapon makes me sick. Don't cry like a little 4 years old girl that don't get it's free candy.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

So taking away what you gave to your players is fine? This is insulting your community.

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They are taking nothing away from the player.
This Quest is about obtaining a new Weapon. Be happy to get it. Anything else will come in future updates.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

2.x relic wasn't customizable until the Alexandrite stage.
I'm sure the 3.x relic will be able to be customized later on.

As a DEV you don't give out all the goods at the start.

I really had to chuckle about the atma grind 2.0 though. So .... unimaginative.
Guess they are reeeallly desperate for FATE participants.

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So taking away what you gave to your players is fine? This is insulting your community.

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Originally Posted by Ryel

I think they're upset that there are players who are likely going to just bot FATEs for atma drops and judging by SE's track record of N.Thanalan nothing will really be done about it?

/shrug

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The sad part is: I can't even blame them, really. This one is definitely on SE.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

So taking away what you gave to your players is fine?

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Yes it is perfectly fine in cyclical MMOs and happens on a lot of other levels as well.
Hint: gear resets every expansion, nullifying your "hard work".

Also. if the relic were customizable AND had the same item level as the best raid weapons it would automatically be BiS and thus MANDATORY for every half serious raider.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why Devs might be reluctant to give the player that kind of freedom in the initial stages.

Why? 77 skill speed on mch?

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Originally Posted by SpecialKK

Why? 77 skill speed on mch?

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Because you need to hit faster, dont ask, SE devs know what they are doing.

Well 2.X Crit and determination was better for blm but HW really it's better ss>crit>other stats, so to see no ss, wth :(

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Yes it is perfectly fine in cyclical MMOs and happens on a lot of other levels as well.
Hint: gear resets every expansion, nullifying your "hard work".

Also. if the relic were customizable AND had the same item level as the best raid weapons it would automatically be BiS and thus MANDATORY for every half serious raider.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why Devs might be reluctant to give the player that kind of freedom in the initial stages.

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I'll give you a hint then. For BLM and PLD at least that have 210 weapons. The Relic is 100% useless if you go for the stats only. Quite unfair. You also forgot my argument SE said Relic is an item that is suppose to follow you during all of your adventure. It's not following me at all lol. They made the decision to allow customization in 2.x on relic. Changing back and forth your stats wasn't free also, it was extra grinding.

Unfortunately for you, it was the case in 2.4. You could go with a 115 Nexus with the stats of your choice. You don't strip a feature that was given to you.

Relic in 3.x is also not the same in 2.x. You fail again to understand my point. Relic was available at launch in 2.x. The Relic grind to iLevel 90 was actually fun. Raid weapons ended up being slightly better than Relic. You couldn't custom it at the beginning, the feature was not there. When they introduced Atmas and the scroll system you could custom.

What happened in 3.0? Relic wasn't available. We can stop comparing there. Some players already have iLevel 210 weapons. in 2.0 nobody had an iLevel 90 weapon. As a matter of fact, the only iLevel 90 weapon was the relic. Players didn't had a choice. Now we do have a choice. We have 3 different iLevel 210 available. There is no reason not to keep the feature. They had the possibility at 3.0 to have the relic grind start and we'd have an iLevel 200 Relic with no customization. Then have the iLevel 210 Relic with the stats you want but they didn't! You can't giving the same excuse that you didn't have enough time to implement it. This is a stupid logic.

So happy to see ss in SMN's book, they are doing it right, at keast for me. But the book shape though, oh well.