I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

The transition from vanilla bard to WM bard has many of us irritated and all you are doing with your comparing blm to bard is rubbing salt in the wounds of every bard who currently dislikes the change.

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As I mentioned before, other jobs have had actual additions to their gameplay. DRGs aren't forced to relearn their class from scratch, and simply have to figure out where Blood of the Dragon fits into their existing gameplay. SMN with their Bahamut Trance is basically the same, as this was added to their existing gameplay. As a PLD, I got Shelltron added to my rotation for blocking and MP recovery on top of a DoT combo I can apply should I choose to; my gameplay wasn't turned on its head by the additions.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

You missed what I said earlier, since WM takes the 15 second GCD to be able to TURN off (unlike Cleric stances 6 seconds) we cant just throw it on, and then realize oh crap I need to move, and take it off right away if we need our mobility we have to wait the remainder of the 15sec GCD to do so. And furthermore, during that time just like BLM if we have WM on, we lose 90% of our DPS too if we have to move and CANT take off WM because its in GCD.

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If you turned on cleric and were in the situation where you needed to immediately turn it off, then you just killed someone. You're a healer. A DPS not attacking for 2 seconds has less impact than you think and most classes (barring bard in 2.X) had to deal with the interruptions. If you are in a situation where you have to move constantly for 15 seconds, then realize that everyone else in the party is in the same situation. Also such a situation does not exist otherwise casters would have not been allowed in by the community groups. Once again non-issue. Dodge, stand still, and continue with life.

I'm here to see the players who ain't main-ing a Bard telling Bard players to L2P or "The class is fine".

Lo and behold, I easily found one. What a surprise, a caster class.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

To show that your arguments have no grounds because other classes have the same mechanics and are worse off. Having to stands still until a mechanic or dodge is not that big of a deal. Seriously, what other reason do you even have to move? The problems introduced with casting are non-existent on bard and are real gameplay problems with other classes. The penalty is why we have higher DPS. Did you notice that other skills had a corresponding damage reduction along with the WM changes? They won't increase your DPS until the casting actually has a real gameplay trade off. But right now you aren't doing anything casters don't have to do when they cast.

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I don't think SE will make any change in short time. Better find our own solution to give Bard best performance, what I'm really wish is to reduce our cast time and GCD as a replacement losing our auto attack.

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Originally Posted by nuyu11

I don't think SE will make any change in short time. Better find our own solution to give Bard best performance, what I'm really wish is to reduce our cast time and GCD as a replacement losing our auto attack.

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One way to hopefully speed up the process of them actually listening is to simply keep talking about it, kind of annoying people who don't play the class in the first place get in the way though.

Look at this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...3.0-BLM./page3

Do you see any Bard players going in, telling those people that whatever it is those BLM are concerned about to "Learn to play", "It's fine", "Don't use it then"?

I could for example go in there and tell them:
- "Ley lines fine. Mechanics are so telegraph bro. Learn the mechanics and know where/when to place it and you're fine."
- "Lol, BLM are already OP and you want Ley Lines to be a self buff? Get real.".

But nope, no Bards commented in that thread and with good reason. As for me, it is because I am no BLM expert and I prefer a mobile class. That's why I've chose a Bard and main Bard for almost 2 years. I know better than to go in there and crash that party.

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

Look at this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...3.0-BLM./page3

Do you see any Bard players going in, telling those people that whatever it is those BLM are concerned about to "Learn to play", "It's fine", "Don't use it then"?

I could for example go in there and tell them:
- "Ley lines fine. Mechanics are so telegraph bro. Learn the mechanics and know where/when to place it and you're fine."
- "Lol, BLM are already OP and you want Ley Lines to be a self buff? Get real.".

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Or maybe they don't do that because those are ridiculous arguments???

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Or maybe they don't do that because those are ridiculous arguments???

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Yea whatever bro. Can't stop nosy people now can we?

Edit: I forgot to mention your argument which I have quoted is no better either. Where's the substance of your example?

I speak for myself but I'm sure there are Bard players who shares my sentiment. I chose Bard because I like to move. It was a class/job which was introduced with mobility. I chose it because of mobility. Raided all the coils and have been relevant in hardcore contents with said mobility but now we've been robbed from it.

Yea, I know I am not required to use it but without using WM, I can't say that I am pushing out optimal damage as EA+Barrage is a big deal. So I am forced to use WM if I want to be relevant in hardcore contents post 3.0.

I'll just leave this here.

Personally, I like how it looks. Will level Bard once I try out Alexander. :D

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

I'll just leave this here.

Personally, I like how it looks. Will level Bard once I try out Alexander. :D

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Oh look, another guy who isn't main-ing a Bard, and doesn't understand the whole situation, and thinks that this whole issue is solely about pushing DPS.