[Suggestion] SAMURAI

I'm all for SAM being DPS or Tank. I would just prefer a different kind of tank. I know this would never happen but I would LOVE Puppetmaster as a future tank. It could even play multiple roles!

Sorry for being a bit off topic. I hope we do actually get Samurai in the game at some point as DPS or Tank. I just want it to exist.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

The "tank:everyone else" ratio is still pretty good. Out of 10 jobs 2 are tanks, 2 are healers, the remaining 6 are DPS. The split doesn't seem as bad as you're making it when you look at the actual numbers.

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When you look at actual numbers DPS still have more options than tanks and healers combined. They have enough variety for now that they don't need to take a very clear choice of turning SAM into a tank and trying to campaign for it to be another DPS. Variety and putting attractive jobs as tanks can help lure those career DPS into trying tanks. Many DPS players have never tanked and there's certainly some that might find it enjoyable once they try it.

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We're eventually going to run out of jobs that can believably wear heavy armor, and going the route of variety will mean the devs will have to create jobs that don't wear heavy armor but have mechanics that allow them to tank.

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I've already acknowledged this as a possibility. But we're a year and a half away from any potential SAM tank, with another expansion adding more jobs 1.5-2 years after that. Will they run out of heavy armor jobs for tanks? Sure at some point, but who is to say they won't stop adding jobs at all at that point? We don't know, it's too far into the future, we can only really speculate on a more near future.

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Erm...not really. Maces would require separate animations from swords (Riot Blade with a mace would look ridiculous). You might be able to get away with that if it were one-handed axes, but not with a mace.

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And this exact logic can be applied towards Samurai with their Katanas. Great Katanas held and swung differently than DRK Greatswords. Normal Katanas having animations including the saya/scabbard. Or even potential dual wielding Katana+wakizashi.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

My point was just we're missing a swordie DPS after people wanting it so long.

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And my point is we aren't missing a "swordie" DPS because there's no rule or law that states the game has to have a sword based dps.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

And my point is we aren't missing a "swordie" DPS because there's no rule or law that states the game has to have a sword based dps.

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Correct. However we're talking about one of the most iconic weapons in any fantasy setting. While there's nothing stating you have to make a sword based DPS, it's a very good idea. I think by now you might be able to see that DPS are people too, and they would like to get a class that uses a sword down the road. I like Katana's, I love tanking, I honestly don't think something as iconic as Samurai should go the road of Dark Knight.

NOW if they want to be smart and add multiple roles to job's we could save ourselves this massive headache.

I'm one of those people who normally hates playing DPS but I'm playing it because DPS is the only role that have eastern themed jobs to select from. I've been waiting for Samurai so I can hopefully tank again someday.

If you really love swords you can tank if you give it a try. If I'm able to play a dps even though I prefer being a tank, you can also do it if you put in the effort. At the moment DPS has more thematic choices to pick from.

Didnt the ds version combine tha DRK and the SAM? You know over the Mystic Knight? With the SAM like gear planned in 3.0, is it possible we may not get a SAM?

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

Didnt the ds version combine tha DRK and the SAM? You know over the Mystic Knight? With the SAM like gear planned in 3.0, is it possible we may not get a SAM?

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I'm sure they're working on it, but what it's role will be is still up in the air. Unless they surprise us and release it early, It'll probably be included in a new Expansion or a patch like what they did NIN

Here's a "leak" from a previous live letter:
http://i.imgur.com/q3D958e.png
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...possible_leak/

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Originally Posted by Calypsx

If you really love swords you can tank.

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If you really love eastern themed jobs you can DPS.

They picked Dark Knight over Samurai as 3.0's new tank class. Odds are very good that Samurai will be a tank in a future expansion. Red Mage (or some variant) could eventually be made into a rapier wielding job that carries a main-gauche' instead of a shield making it carry two blades while casting some sort of combat magic for DPS. Then again Fencing swords were more for piercing than slicing.

As for Samurai, they are the Japanese equivalent to knights and the well paid ones had the best armor. Katanas were not made for hacking, they were mostly for slashing with the strength to cut sharply through bone. Knight armor is heavy and made to dampen a direct swipe of a broad sword or bash from a club. Chain mail adds to it but is flawed to arrows or stabs. Samurai armor was lighter and had more exposed areas to maintain mobility wile protecting vital areas from slashing/glancing damage and lesser arrows. The Katanas were more or less their only direct form of defense via blocking and countering, everything else was form, skill and evasion.

Granted the featherweight of Rune fencer didn't go over very well with the ineptitude of parry skill. Samurai can still be a tank like Warrior, Dark, and Paladin. Existing tanks do have mode changes from defense to offence (likely Dark will have one to). Either way its likely most of darks abilities were originally meant to be used for both Samurai or Dark Knight depending on which way they went. Think of it as a test for fleshing out how a Samurai would tank.

If a Samurai still can't tank then characters like Ogami Ittō would never have lived long enough to keep a child alive. If dark was styled after Berserk then at least have a Samurai styled after Lone Wolf and Cub for a tank role.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

On the note of sword DPS: Like I've said, and many other have said, there are plenty of other jobs that could fit the "sword DPS" role, so saying that SAM is the only one is a weak argument (sorry to be blunt, but truthfully it'd be a stronger argument if you just said you want SAM as DPS and didn't use the excuse of 'needing' a sword DPS); there is RDM, COR, BLU that could easily fill that 'role' Honestly future jobs I'd like to see as tanks

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Red Mage for FF14 can only fall into a Sword user if they design Red Mage in FF14 to actually use their swords for combat. Don't forget the original design of Red Mage was that they can perform Black and White Magic which lead them to be more of a Range DPS type class. They never used their swords for actual combat nor had any sword skills to use their Sword beyond simple cosmetic look or normal attacks when they don't want to use their MP or out of MP.

Though if they do adjust Red Mage to be a Sword using Magic user then they'll have to incorporate skills that uses their Sword like Sword Magic or something similar.