Battle Reform: Auto-Attack (06/30/2011)

And soo.. the Crying/whining Continues.. oh they never let me down...

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Originally Posted by Amas

Likewise, leave mage ranged auto attack.

It's not game breaking, it's just sensible. Mages aren't going to be in melee range, neither are ARCs. Don't disadvantage classes by giving them auto attacks they'll never use.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

I respectfully disagree with that generalization.

If I am playing solo as a Disciple of Magic, I will be in melee range because the enemy will close in.

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Originally Posted by Amas

Right.

So if you remove the Multiplayer aspect from MMORPG, you need to have a melee attack. Why couldn't your ranged Phantom Dart also function from melee range?

Just saying, mages should have an auto attack that functions at range, since in group activities (you know, massively MULTIPLAYER online roleplaying game) they will be at range and should be able to attack mobs between spells.

Don't design an MMO around solo play. Design an MMO to permit it.

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I was just stating that your first statement was an incorrect generalization. As such it would be an inadequately faulty basis to argue on, whether you are for or against mages having Auto-Attack.

I'm personally indifferent on the subject. Auto-Attack isn't what is going to win my battles, or cause me to lose battles. It will be the judgement, timing, and appropriate use of abilities by me and the rest of my party.

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Originally Posted by Alise

They should just delay 1.18 until they finish at least all the battle part. because it gonna be a mess with half-finished work....

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This would only be wise if it would cause people to not complain -- however the fact people complain about someone punching rather than using a dagger or arrow for an auto attack you can guarantee a delay for finished work would cause people to complain.

What about... whining about this when we actually have tried the system?
It's pretty much like cheese now. Smells bad but if you don't have a taste you'll never know.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

And soo.. the Crying/whining Continues.. oh they never let me down...

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Too damn right it will. Would you rather everyone just quit so you can be the only one playing? Crying/whining is what forced SE to redevelop the game. Surprised you're still playing if you were happy with the game in September. Oh wait, no, you were probably crying/whining yourself. Hypocrite.

At the end of the day when SE make one of your classes unplayable or so big a pain in the ass to play that you don't want to play it any more we have every right to complain. I'll be whining even harder if they give WHM job to one of the mage classes without giving it another job. I only have three battle classes at 50 and SE are potentially making two of them unplayable for me.

There's absolutely no reason why ARC should not have auto attack with its main weapon. SE could have added a toggle for all classes so if you want to sit and spam 1 and fight with the recast timer display issue you can turn it off. But no, they try a one fits all approach and piss off half the player base. The ones whining about the whiners or who think it's a good idea either don't play ARC or their prayers from constant whines about ARC being over-powered have been answered. Making a class a pain in the ass to play isn't a fix.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

What about... whining about this when we actually have tried the system?
It's pretty much like cheese now. Smells bad but if you don't have a taste you'll never know.

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I've been playing long enough to know how tapping the 1 key works and how recast timers work. You don't need to experience it to know how light shot with a recast is going to work.

Sounds interesting, but I'll have to actually try it out first before I can really analyze anything. There's still a lot of stuff we don't know.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I've been playing long enough to know how tapping the 1 key works and how recast timers work. You don't need to experience it to know how light shot with a recast is going to work.

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Who knows, it may be entertaining.
And anyway, they're working on it. We (not me) wanted Auto-attack, and you get Auto-attack with its consequences. It's gonna be a new thing and no, you've never experienced it, so you can't say it sucks or it's fabulous.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Too damn right it will. Would you rather everyone just quit so you can be the only one playing? Crying/whining is what forced SE to redevelop the game. Surprised you're still playing if you were happy with the game in September. Oh wait, no, you were probably crying/whining yourself. Hypocrite.

At the end of the day when SE make one of your classes unplayable or so big a pain in the ass to play that you don't want to play it any more we have every right to complain. I'll be whining even harder if they give WHM job to one of the mage classes without giving it another job. I only have three battle classes at 50 and SE are potentially making two of them unplayable for me.

There's absolutely no reason why ARC should not have auto attack with its main weapon. SE could have added a toggle for all classes so if you want to sit and spam 1 and fight with the recast timer display issue you can turn it off. But no, they try a one fits all approach and piss off half the player base. The ones whining about the whiners or who think it's a good idea either don't play ARC or their prayers from constant whines about ARC being over-powered have been answered. Making a class a pain in the ass to play isn't a fix.




I've been playing long enough to know how tapping the 1 key works and how recast timers work. You don't need to experience it to know how light shot with a recast is going to work.

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To be quite honest Yes I would rather have the people who cry/whine to quit and the people who have ideas/ Constructive Criticism to stay, all crying does really to be honest ( and in my opinion) is cause SE to implement something that could break the game, because of someone else whining that "this" isn't put into the game. Of course SE knows that and won't give into the people who cry for their lollypop....

So Yes I would rather:

-Keep Ideas/ Criticism
-Rid the Whiners

( My opinion)

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Who knows, it may be entertaining.
And anyway, they're working on it. We (not me) wanted Auto-attack, and you get Auto-attack with its consequences. It's gonna be a new thing and no, you've never experienced it, so you can't say it sucks or it's fabulous.

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I'm not getting auto attack, ARC is my main class and attacking with bare fists is hardly going to be the norm. You'll do it as often as you attack with rocks right now. All they're doing is adding a recast timer to Light Shot to compensate for the lack of stamina cost.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

To be quite honest Yes I would rather have the people who cry/whine to quit and the people who have ideas/ Constructive Criticism to stay, all crying does really to be honest ( and in my opinion) is cause SE to implement something that could break the game, because of someone else whining that "this" isn't put into the game. Of course SE knows that and won't give into the people who cry for their lollypop....

So Yes I would rather:

-Keep Ideas/ Criticism
-Rid the Whiners

( My opinion)

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If you want to be the only person playing then may I suggest you play Final Fantasy XIII instead or one of the other great single player titles? Because you appear to be the only person who has never whined about anything in this game.

Oh and you can't have criticism without whining. It's like having cookies without biscuits. It's the same damn thing.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm not getting auto attack, ARC is my main class and attacking with bare fists is hardly going to be the norm. You'll do it as often as you attack with rocks right now. All they're doing is adding a recast timer to Light Shot to compensate for the lack of stamina cost.



If you want to be the only person playing then may I suggest you play Final Fantasy XIII instead or one of the other great single player titles? Because you appear to be the only person who has never whined about anything in this game.

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I have Ideas/Criticisms Theirs a major difference in the two. and did I say I never had a problem with the game? I do actually and I could get into length detail as to what I do not like about it. But should I whine about it and beg for the lollypop from SE?

All I can do for SE is Give my ideas/thoughts about certain areas I do not like and let them do their f***ing job, not this " SE wtf are you doing don't do this, do this" and not to mention "everyone" has different ideas and views about a particular area. and if SE does everything because people "cry for their Lollypop fix" and if SE "actually" gave into all the stuff the people whine about ( in which they all have different outlooks of the area) Do you know how unbalance the game would be? It would be pretty messed up in fact probably "worse" than FFXIV PC launch, ( and yes in my opinion FFXIV Launched badly) but SE fixed things up on their own accord, and because of the "decline" of the game, not because of the whiners. They take the ideas that are good/great, not because people whine about them.

They know what shape the game is.. heck everyone does.. but Whining will not make this game any better than what it is now. Ideas/Criticism will

/end rant not replying