Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

I was broiled to death. I know healers are always complaining about doing more dps but you might wanna focus on healing for a change because roles.

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Originally Posted by sarehptar

Just wiped in Pagl'than because the (new?) Dragoon did not know what to do with the lightning puddle in the first boss. He stood around under the boss with it for a while before deciding at the last second to ELUSIVE JUMP--promptly dropping the lightning puddle on me (the healer) and the other DPS, giving us enough vulnerability stacks to die to the next unavoidable Electric Burst.

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How many stacks did you have, because I've managed to heal a monk with 8 stacks before. XD

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Originally Posted by RinaB

I was broiled to death. I know healers are always complaining about doing more dps but you might wanna focus on healing for a change because roles.

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and what was the rest of the group doing? because..you know..groups

I'm kind of bothered by how regularly healers would prefer to just let the current MT in alliance raids or larger scale content like Eureka or Bozja die even if it's clear their own party's healer is having trouble keeping up (Assuming they're alive at all).

I can only sustain myself so much with Nascent Flash and potion spam in the latter.

I was just doing a raid* like any other, then I glance at chat at the end. Apparently, me spamming glare hit a nerve:

https://i.imgur.com/YEeV681.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ZsPdjK1.png

I did actually die once during the run because I stood in something a millisecond too long, while trying to get a glare off. :p

Typically stems from people being oblivious to how a role works and assume heals are only "cast time heals."

Yeah, nevermind that solace and rapture are instant or anything. Assize too.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

Typically stems from people being oblivious to how a role works and assume heals are only "cast time heals."

Yeah, nevermind that solace and rapture are instant or anything. Assize too.

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The amount of times I've had people get downright vitriolic towards me because they think I'm "not healing" is honestly tiring. I rarely have to cast a GCD heal-- and if my cohealer is jumping on every little papercut people get, I'm going keep doing DPS until it's necessary to utilize my stored oGCDs.

But y'know, the AST spamming non-Aspected group heals when only one person took damage is obviously doing their job better than I, using my Lilies to keep people from dying when most of their health is gone and said AST is out in Narnia continuing to spam Helios.

White mages are white because we're built of salt.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Glare 24/7

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Damn you’re popular. Most of time I could only catch these conversations whenever I’m partied with a friend who stayed around longer when the duty finishes (I usually bolt out real quick). After which they usually told & sent me the screenshot.

/facepalm

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

The amount of times I've had people get downright vitriolic towards me because they think I'm "not healing" is honestly tiring. I rarely have to cast a GCD heal-- and if my cohealer is jumping on every little papercut people get, I'm going keep doing DPS until it's necessary to utilize my stored oGCDs.

But y'know, the AST spamming non-Aspected group heals when only one person took damage is obviously doing their job better than I, using my Lilies to keep people from dying when most of their health is gone and said AST is out in Narnia continuing to spam Helios.

White mages are white because we're built of salt.

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Don’t forget regen 100% uptime too :p

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Damn you’re popular. Most of time I could only catch these conversations whenever I’m partied with a friend who stayed around longer when the duty finishes (I usually bolt out real quick). After which they usually told & sent me the screenshot.

/facepalm


Don’t forget regen 100% uptime too :p

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I think the most hilarious part is these players were apparently mad about me the whole run, and I didn't even notice anything until the very end when I glanced at people bickering about glare spam when we were rolling on loot. :p

Like, all I'm saying is, how is it my fault when they are getting hit by every mechanic imaginable? :confused:

Ugh.. I don't even use regen. :o

A friend and I lost a bunch of mettle in Zadnor. We died due to a bunch of people abandoning a FATE partway through leaving me, as a DRK, with all the aggro. Despite our polite requests for someone to revive us, nobody bothered to do so - including a RDM and WHM who wandered nearby but decided not to bother helping out.

Luckily it's pretty easy to regain lost mettle, though it was still annoying.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I was just doing a raid* like any other, then I glance at chat at the end. Apparently, me spamming glare hit a nerve:

https://i.imgur.com/YEeV681.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ZsPdjK1.png

I did actually die once during the run because I stood in something a millisecond too long, while trying to get a glare off. :p

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Pro healers swiftcast Glare.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

White mages are white because we're built of salt.

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Amen to that brother/Sister. I have too many people get mad at me as a whm cus I decided to dps cus my co healer (my husband) wanted to do most of the healing while I glare mage'd it up. Was told im trash cus he did 80% of the healing while I used a ogcd every so often.

Also: im gonna steal that quote.

I love how in ff14 it's acceptable as a healer to complain about having to heal...the double standards are amazing. P

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Originally Posted by RinaB

I love how in ff14 it's acceptable as a healer to complain about having to heal...the double standards are amazing. P

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Shhh, please turn on your tank stance. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by RinaB

I love how in ff14 it's acceptable as a healer to complain about having to heal...the double standards are amazing. P

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It isn't a double standard though? When 90% of damage in non-Savage content barely hurts or can be healed via regen ticks, you really don't need to do a lot of healing. Using that down time to dps - in a game completely built on dps above everything - is what any good healer is going to do.

When a co-heal is also overhealing at every minor papercut, the need to heal goes even further down.

You really aren't having the "gotcha!" moment you think you are.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

A friend and I lost a bunch of mettle in Zadnor. We died due to a bunch of people abandoning a FATE partway through leaving me, as a DRK, with all the aggro. Despite our polite requests for someone to revive us, nobody bothered to do so - including a RDM and WHM who wandered nearby but decided not to bother helping out.

Luckily it's pretty easy to regain lost mettle, though it was still annoying.

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Ironically, I just had a similar experience, AND I have the chat logs:

https://i.imgur.com/6US3lzC.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/v49snp5.png

I had the audacity to be using aoe on a FATE, when people start running in with several hard hitting mobs. The last aoe I used clipped a sasquatch and I got beaten to death because of it. Nobody pulled it off of me, nobody healed me, everyone stopped using aoe. So I was left to get beaten to death by a sasquatch I didn't pull. I didn't feel like wasting time waiting in the hope somebody would raise me. So I released. The mettle loss just exacerbated the issue, but wasn't the main issue. I think the chat logs speak for themselves. I also highlighted in yellow how little I personally cared about the mettle loss. The issue here is more than just that.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Ironically, I just had a similar experience, AND I have the chat logs:

https://i.imgur.com/6US3lzC.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/v49snp5.png

I had the audacity to be using aoe on a FATE, when people start running in with several hard hitting mobs. The last aoe I used clipped a sasquatch and I got beaten to death because of it. Nobody pulled it off of me, nobody healed me, everyone stopped using aoe. So I was left to get beaten to death by a sasquatch I didn't pull. I didn't feel like wasting time waiting in the hope somebody would raise me. So I released. The mettle loss just exacerbated the issue, but wasn't the main issue. I think the chat logs speak for themselves. I also highlighted in yellow how little I personally cared about the mettle loss. The issue here is more than just that.

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To me, it looks like you were talking with some men-children. Silly, irresponsible and idiotic. All in all low-quality human beings.

Got a copperbell hard with 3 sprouts while on WHM. It wasn't a terrible run but I could tell from the get go they aren't the type to actually listen to much of anything. Summoner used physick periodically when they were missing maybe 1000 hp (only had about 5.2k). Naturally I cannot bring myself to tell them about why Physick on summoner is bad. I inform them there's no real point in running from the minions on the final boss. Summoner proceeds to sprint run away the entire time. I did the waymaker bomb duty because I don't think they'd listen on how to do that in the first place.

I'm all for helping new people on first runs, but that only applies if they you know... actually are willing to listen and cooperate.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

I love how in ff14 it's acceptable as a healer to complain about having to heal...the double standards are amazing. P

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I can understand when the goal is parsing savage content, but some of the healers I've met have really boggled my mind in that regard. I mean, like, healers who get offended when you suggest they should deign to raise a casual player who dies in a level80 dungeon. Healers who think they need to save every single GCD for glare even when you're day-1 progging savage?

Hey, I love healers who do damage! Give me all the holy spam and the gravity and the glare on raid bosses and so on. It's great!

But it's pretty silly when I see healers who act like they're above needing to hardcast raise in a dungeon (because they just had to keep swiftcast on cooldown for those instant glares, for what purpose, who knows), or healers who think day 1 savage prog is the appropriate time to demand the rest of the group adjusts so they can use every single GCD for damage and not healing.

The real reason to use swiftcast on glare is to keep the gcd rolling while giving white mage an opportunity to continue attacking while on the move.

Typically it's something to be used in an optimized setting where you know your allies aren't in danger of getting bopped by a stray aoe, not in a group of randoms where anyone could eat several mechanics and end up lying face down on the ground waiting for a rez.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

The real reason to use swiftcast on glare is to keep the gcd rolling while giving white mage an opportunity to continue attacking while on the move.

Typically it's something to be used in an optimized setting where you know your allies aren't in danger of getting bopped by a stray aoe, not in a group of randoms where anyone could eat several mechanics and end up lying face down on the ground waiting for a rez.

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So should I have used my swiftcast to raise players who die immediately after being raised instead? I suppose an argument could be made, that on occasion, they might be able to do more damage than my singular glare - if they didn't keep dying immediately.

Let me tell you all a story, a story of Shadowkeeper. A different party. It was just me and the tanks. I used my swiftcast to raise the other healer about a dozen times. We get LB3, I finally use this LB3. Everyone is back up! .... EXCEPT wait! They all die several seconds after being raised to avoidable AoE wasting our LB3, straight back to me and the tanks, the three of us against the Shadowkeeper! Glare would have been more useful on a swiftcasted glare, huh? Glare instead of wasting the time casting that LB3!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

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Yikes, that definitely stings.

Apparently, due to the way some skirmishes (?) and CE spawns by farming magitek mobs, this kind of 'pull mobs into skirmish' behavior sort of ramped up. It doesn't help that most, if not -all- of those skirmishes seem to always spawn near bunch of them. In a way, it sorta helps everybody: to help spawn CEs + probably few cluster drops + skirmish credit. Unfortunately either some players was rushing without being aware of their surrounding, or simply couldn't read well that they thought they can just pull -any- mobs including non-magitek IV/V mobs.

For a few times I've let some random puller die by their own V golem in third zone while I was tanking. Thankfully I saw that one coming and immediately switch to single target rotations. There wasn't many players in that skirmish at that time so I figured not many would wanna risk to join in bursting the V golem. Indeed, NONE of them helped that random puller. I was chuckling looking at them jumping next to me as if begging me to pull the mob off them. Nah, not gonna do that mate. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

To me, it looks like you were talking with some men-children. Silly, irresponsible and idiotic. All in all low-quality human beings.

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Bozja chat (both SF and Zadnor).. can be something. This is the kind of stuff you can expect in Zadnor:

https://i.imgur.com/nWcIHos.png

Hilarious! Do you think the GMs make an exception with Bozja chatter? Otherwise, why are players behaving in chat like this?

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Yikes, that definitely stings.

Apparently, due to the way some skirmishes (?) and CE spawns by farming magitek mobs, this kind of 'pull mobs into skirmish' behavior sort of ramped up. It doesn't help that most, if not -all- of those skirmishes seem to always spawn near bunch of them. In a way, it sorta helps everybody: to help spawn CEs + probably few cluster drops + skirmish credit. Unfortunately either some players was rushing without being aware of their surrounding, or simply couldn't read well that they thought they can just pull -any- mobs including non-magitek IV/V mobs.

For a few times I've let some random puller die by their own V golem in third zone while I was tanking. Thankfully I saw that one coming and immediately switch to single target rotations. There wasn't many players in that skirmish at that time so I figured not many would wanna risk to join in bursting the V golem. Indeed, NONE of them helped that random puller. I was chuckling looking at them jumping next to me as if begging me to pull the mob off them. Nah, not gonna do that mate. :rolleyes:

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To be frank, it's griefing. There is no real purpose in bringing half of Zadnor's Sasquatches to a FATE where players are aoeing, especially if it's by a player who does not intend to actually hold aggro on them, and will not assist another unfortunate player who was just grinding FATEs. Neither by pulling this mob off of them, healing them, or even raising them. This happens far too often, and much of the general chatter in Bozja tells me many of these players probably do not care, and some really do probably try to get others killed. It's a complete lack of respect, and utter disregard for everyone but themselves. In my opinion.

Good on you. A player like that would have probably left you to die to their pull anyway.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

So should I have used my swiftcast to raise players who die immediately after being raised instead? I suppose an argument could be made, that on occasion, they might be able to do more damage than my singular glare - if they didn't keep dying immediately.

Let me tell you all a story, a story of Shadowkeeper. A different party. It was just me and the tanks. I used my swiftcast to raise the other healer about a dozen times. We get LB3, I finally use this LB3. Everyone is back up! .... EXCEPT wait! They all die several seconds after being raised to avoidable AoE wasting our LB3, straight back to me and the tanks, the three of us against the Shadowkeeper! Glare would have been more useful on a swiftcasted glare, huh? Glare instead of wasting the time casting that LB3!

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Hey if they wanna decide they're too cool to wait for heals before their transcendence buff wears off or run right back into the floor's loving embrace, then by all means glare away. They're just nourishment for the blood lily at that point.

I'm not sure what it is with some people this week.

I queued up for alliance roulette on my alt sch for exp and some mogtomes, I get Void Ark. The party dps is almost entirely compromised of SAMs, and I have an AST for a co-healer. I notice they're on noct stance, but they're watching the cutscene. Maybe they'll notice they have a sch co-healer and switch, I thought.

Nope, they don't bother. We plow through the trash and get to the first boss, and I see they're still in noct stance. 'k. I ask them to switch after this boss, and I get this:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...=278&crop=fill

Oh, so not only is the AST ignorant, but they're also holding themselves on a pedestal. Noice! /s They're also overwriting my shields, which makes me even more annoyed.
Before I could reply, one of the dps pipes up in your usual cringy fashion:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...=278&crop=fill

I already hate this healer now. After the boss dies, he finally switches to diurnal, thereby making my whole kit at 60 useful once again. I'll be glad when they rid 14 of Nocturnal because of these people.

We continue on through the trash and finally get to the next plant boss. Naturally some people tried to greed Shockwave Stomp and end up dead, to which I'm treated with this raise macro from my co-healer:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...=278&crop=fill

I winced. I know this is a widespread problem, but dang people. A similar situation happens on Tentacle Boi, and I felt more and more filled with cringe. Though once the second to last boss was down, I saw the end in sight. There was a light at the end of this tunnel! We engage Echidna and some time into the fight I realize my party likes to collect Vuln stacks. Hello darkness my old friend.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...=278&crop=fill

After what felt like forever, the last boss finally died, minion drops and I roll Need on it when suddenly our healer hit us with this:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...=278&crop=fill

They used it at the start and at the end. Naturally the f*cker won the minion. I comm the non-cringy, quiet SAM and left.

tl;dr: be considerate of your co-healer's job and don't use cringy af macros to raise like that person did. Thanks.

You know, there is a reason why I decided to disable the party chat in almost every content. Ignorance is truly bliss as they say.

Had a group in Rabanastre yesterday that had such low DPS, the first boss actually survived past the frog phase. I had actually forgotten about the sanuwa adds, it's been so long since I saw them last.

Of course, I watched that phase from the floor, because the MT died to suffocation during the frog phase, I got aggro, my group's healers were asleep, and the other two tanks couldn't be bothered until I and a few other people were dead.

https://i.imgur.com/2RBjULX.jpg

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Had a group in Rabanastre yesterday that had such low DPS, the first boss actually survived past the frog phase. I had actually forgotten about the sanuwa adds, it's been so long since I saw them last.

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Wait, she spawns adds after the toads?

Oh man the Zadnor talk on an earlier page reminded me of this absolute gem of a conversation that happened yesterday
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...46/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...87/unknown.png
Died to the time boss fate I was laughing so hard

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

But it's pretty silly when I see healers who act like they're above needing to hardcast raise in a dungeon (because they just had to keep swiftcast on cooldown for those instant glares, for what purpose, who knows), or healers who think day 1 savage prog is the appropriate time to demand the rest of the group adjusts so they can use every single GCD for damage and not healing.

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Which is ridiculous, because if they play like that they are effectively losing rDPS and thus not even helping the group clear content faster. Compared to heal bots they are the other side of the spectrum, the healers who don't heal and don't even do DPS properly. The worse kind of healers you can get in savage raids.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

They're also overwriting my shields, which makes me even more annoyed.

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The last time I went as SCH with co-healer AST who went Noct, I just don't Succor at all.
If they want to be the one shielding the party then be my guest.

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Originally Posted by Fland

The last time I went as SCH with co-healer AST who went Noct, I just don't Succor at all.
If they want to be the one shielding the party then be my guest.

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Usually I'm the kind of person that usually takes over healing unless the co-healer outright tells me to just dps. Usually one healer is enough for most content but...they were blowing their cooldowns right as I would cast any shield. Then again I have a bad habit of not trusting my rando co-healer 85% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

Wait, she spawns adds after the toads?

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Not sure if sarcasm. The thee colored snakes (Red, Blue, Green) where each alliance takes one SW (B alliance), North (A alliance), SE (C alliance)

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

Not sure if sarcasm. The thee colored snakes (Red, Blue, Green) where each alliance takes one SW (B alliance), North (A alliance), SE (C alliance)

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NGL, I forgot the boss even had that mechanic as well because it was skippable within the patch the raid released in.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

I can understand when the goal is parsing savage content, but some of the healers I've met have really boggled my mind in that regard. I mean, like, healers who get offended when you suggest they should deign to raise a casual player who dies in a level80 dungeon. Healers who think they need to save every single GCD for glare even when you're day-1 progging savage?

Hey, I love healers who do damage! Give me all the holy spam and the gravity and the glare on raid bosses and so on. It's great!

But it's pretty silly when I see healers who act like they're above needing to hardcast raise in a dungeon (because they just had to keep swiftcast on cooldown for those instant glares, for what purpose, who knows), or healers who think day 1 savage prog is the appropriate time to demand the rest of the group adjusts so they can use every single GCD for damage and not healing.

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Not going to lie I am one of those healers depending on the content and reason for death. If my actions caused the death I will hardcast the raise, but if they died to something avoidable and it is generally easier content I will let them run back.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

NGL, I forgot the boss even had that mechanic as well because it was skippable within the patch the raid released in.

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I know-- half the raids I forget had mechanics cause I only did it as many times as I could-- and then quit cold turkey XD

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

Not sure if sarcasm. The thee colored snakes (Red, Blue, Green) where each alliance takes one SW (B alliance), North (A alliance), SE (C alliance)

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No, I did not know that. She's always dead by the time she spawns toads whenever I get Rabanasty.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Oh man the Zadnor talk on an earlier page reminded me of this absolute gem of a conversation that happened yesterday
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...46/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...87/unknown.png
Died to the time boss fate I was laughing so hard

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That guy is so self-centred. A healer that's not part of your party has zero obligations towards you. He is taking too many things for granted. If you want the healer to not be dpsing, group up with them then and dps in their stead. Healers have to dps in fates to get participation if they don't have a group. Also tracking the hp bar of non-party members is just a hassle. Something not worth doing for ungrateful people like that one.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

That guy is so self-centred. A healer that's not part of your party has zero obligations towards you. He is taking too many things for granted. If you want the healer to not be dpsing, group up with them then and dps in their stead. Healers have to dps in fates to get participation if they don't have a group. Also tracking the hp bar of non-party members is just a hassle. Something not worth doing for ungrateful people like that one.

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Yeah that's why I was laughing so hard. I just... Really dude? They picked whm so they're obligated to res you? Pff okay.

Like, I res people left and right because one, achievement credit (though I'm done that now so I don't fight to be as quick about it anymore :p), and two it costs me little and I'm not gonna leave somebody lying on the ground for no reason. I even run out of my way to grab people who shout if I think I can get there before it's likely someone else already did. I like helping, I dunno.

That guy though? That guy I'd leave on the ground no sweat.

Can someone please tell me what's going on? The last couple of days NO ONE uses LB 2 at the last boss. Not even level 80 players. Or they use it when the boss is at 2 %...