Post Your Healing Horror Stories.

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Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

Uh, you can, because it's not just any of the bees that cast the Final Sting. It's one specific mob, the Orn Hornet. There's one hornet per wave, and they will only cast Final Sting once each. It's pretty simple to just focus target them from the enemy list.

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That still isn't something I would expect anyone to pick up on. I'm just glad I know this so I can actually prepare accordingly. Thanks slowpoke. ^_^

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Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

Uh, you can, because it's not just any of the bees that cast the Final Sting. It's one specific mob, the Orn Hornet. There's one hornet per wave, and they will only cast Final Sting once each. It's pretty simple to just focus target them from the enemy list.

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That is true; however, you still cannot Focus Target 2 targets at once. When I said "you can't," that's what I meant. Further, if you're doing a Honeycomb burn instead of killing the mob, there is an issue of timing.

Depending on how fast the Dps are burning the honeycomb, the Final Sting of the first hornet can appear anywhere between just before the second hornet shows up (if the Dps are slow) to well after (if they are quick). If your Dps are fast, both hornets will be up at the same time. It's possible to keep an eye on both, but you cannot focus target both. You have to focus target one and directly target the other. Most tanks will opt to not do this, because directly targeting the second hornet means reducing Dps on the honeycomb. The result of this is an increase in dmg from the rest of the mob over a longer period of time (which also wastes additional Defensive CD's just before a boss fight) and an increased risk of eating two Final Stings instead of just one. As much as we'd all like to think that Dps players are superstars, it's a likely bet that at least one of the two is pants-on-head stupid. So the safer gamble is to FT the first hornet and prey that the Dps don't screw up the timing on the second one.

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Originally Posted by Torunya

Thanks a bunch for that informative reply. I'll make sure to incorporate these measures the next times in run Arboretum, although I wouldn't blame anyone else for dying to final sting if this is what they have to go through. Thanks again!

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Anytime, but I still would look at tanks with scrutiny (I know I do). Like Slowpoke pointed out, there are only 2 hornets to deal with. By themselves, it's not really all that much. The bigger issue is actually providing mitigation for all the other adds. It really shouldn't be too difficult to pay attention to two mobs, but dividing attention tends to cause Tanks to screw up, especially when the Final Sting hits when they are not expecting it to (which is usually because of varying dps speeds on the honeycomb).

Stone Vigil.

Warrior tank.

Does not use any enmity moves.

I ask him to use them. I'm ignored.

Solution: Let myself die.

Leave Duty.

Not dealing with that.

Combined with a tank insta-leaving as soon as we spawned in Sohm Al, I'm convinced today will be a bad day for me.

What's worse than a bad healer or a bad tank? BOTH. Leveling up DPS is such a pain in the butt, but this healer and tank made it worse. Healer would wait until the tank's HP was below half before healing and they'd only use Cure II. Tank must not have been using enmity moves because aggro kept going to me and the healer and we wiped on the trash mobs in the Vault. We reach the boss and heals are coming in too darn slow. WHM only uses Cure II and Regen, never bothered with Benediction, Medica, or Medica II, nor even bothering with Stoneskin before pulls. BLM dies in the fight and WHM doesn't even bother to cast Raise. The fight must have taken 10 minutes or more before we finally downed it.


I immediately left afterwards. I swear people either troll or are blissfully unaware of their skill sets.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I immediately left afterwards. I swear people either troll or are blissfully unaware of their skill sets.

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Or they were perhaps bots. I've gotten a few bots in my runs, one most notably in Haukke Manor HM. After the second boss, the healer-bot would charge in down the hallway, resulting in one wipe of the group. We told them to not do that again, but it did and we just kept watching. After the 3rd time it died, we all reported and vote-kicked, then got a bot-free healer.

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Originally Posted by Mocita

Or they were perhaps bots. I've gotten a few bots in my runs, one most notably in Haukke Manor HM. After the second boss, the healer-bot would charge in down the hallway, resulting in one wipe of the group. We told them to not do that again, but it did and we just kept watching. After the 3rd time it died, we all reported and vote-kicked, then got a bot-free healer.

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Bots typically don't use the "PLEASE NOTICE ME SENPAI AND CURE PACIFICATION!" macros and they did say hi in the start of the run. Not to mention the people in my group weren't moving in unison or in a smooth movement like a bot would.

Healing Brayflox and Dark Knight not using grit or shadowskin so I said
'Can you please use grit and shadowskin'

And the reply I got was iconic.

Tank says 'Don't tell me how to play my job'

Has anyone else experiencing problems with MP management over the past few days? I've been running alex NM just out of boredom and it seems that I'm running out of MP a lot faster than I usually would and I'm not doing anything differently.

I main SCH so usually MP isn't an issue with me, I tested it out on WHM and AST also and I'm almost MP drained by the end of the fight, even with shroud, aetherflow etc..

Me. Vault. Lag.

I main scholar but since the clothes are identical I accidentally logged up as whm (I checked the gear) instead of sch. i was already cringing inside because i know i don't have hw whm skills. the tank was a first timer, poor man. And i started to lag so badly, in battle (it kinda always does in the final battle of the vault? I wonder if it's the ps3 struggling a bit as well) and in the end we had to give up because tank's hp went down fast and i wasn't honestly able to keep things up as whm, not in that situation. I couldn't even see when chains were on me until they started doing damage and i feel so bad for all people running with me.

So, yeah, shame and shame on me, i'm the villain in this horror story. (it was... so embarassing. Gawd)

[also, dps with broken gear ftw]

Quarn low level:
... I mean... I understand it's a leveling roulette and people are learning. I'm 'ok' with the level 35 arcanist that doesn't really have their sub classes leveled and I'm fine with the drk tank who was trying their best to handle their job. I was not however ok with the Drg who was perpetually doing circles around the every mob (not positionals. Endless circles including frontal) and when asked about it didn't say a word.

I did not bring up the fact that he needed to stop going ape on the mob the tank wasn't attacking nor did I mention that he needed to not get perpetually hit by the bogy AOEs until the near the end.

Sadly while typing it caused the tank to die as well as the arcanist (who refused to respawn even when double weak after the golem boss). I kited the mobs while the Drg finished getting himself killed and the tank ran back.

Drg's response: lol

Final boss he continues to play ring around the to rosey and never left the boss for any adds of any sort.

I did tell the a arcanist they did a good job in trying to dps the fenced-in keys but they needed to get them dead before the aoe pulse as well as it'd be a good idea to get the SMN or SCH stones in the future.



... It was just bothering me more than normal today, I suppose. *heads to bed*

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Originally Posted by Rydia_Feymarchian

And i started to lag so badly, in battle (it kinda always does in the final battle of the vault? I wonder if it's the ps3 struggling a bit as well)

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You're not the first one to report lagging especially in that fight while they have no troubles usually. I wonder if the fight uses some slightly sloppily coded graphical effects that tax the computer/ps especially lot. Maybe try sometime with reduced graphical goodness just to test.

Okay. Well I just probably had the most horrible run of the Vault. I haven't ran this as healer since first cleared it as SCH. I was AST and 2 BLM as DPS.

First a tank bailed right at start before I even loaded in. Shortly after a tank replaced them, a PLD, but gosh I wish I just left right there. >.>
Before every pull, they would be in Shield Oath, but the shortly, they'd be in Sword Oath, but this only made my job a whole lot harder.

I had to spam Benefic II on every pull, draining my MP and felt like if I tried doing anything else, they would die. We wiped once on the first boss. Zero on 2nd. Having to use Essential Dignity many times during the run. Never thought to use Synastry, because I never used it before. But this tank was getting on my nerves. After the bosses, they would "lol", thinking something was funny, but honestly nothing wasn't.

Come the last boss, I knew it was going to go horrible. We buff up and start. After only the first attack, they took so much damage, which honestly shouldn't happen. The tank dies, I rez. A BLM dies, they return. I end up just standing there so I could die and leave that terrible run. I wish I left a lot earlier. All this run did, was make me mad.

The tank must've looked at my search info, because they said something about "PS3 limitations" (yes I am playing on PS3, which has NOTHING to do with it). I think the tank thought it was my fault that we were dying or them losing so much health (mainly tank), which honestly was not. I do just fine healing on the PS3 when there is no lag and there was none.

After I mentioned to them that I'm having a hard time healing them in Sword Oath (during the last boss), they said a choice word that I just left. It made me say a choice word IRL that I usually don't say. That's probably the worst tank I had to heal in probably around 1000 runs I've done. >.> They are the worst kind of PLD to heal imo. Thank goodness they aren't on my server!!

I can probably guess what they said after I left, but I don't care. I'm glad to be out of that run. I probably should've tried kicking them, but I didn't think about it.

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

I remember when troll posts used to be creative and well disguised

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Wow, really? I'm sorry if my post came off that way. I never had the intention of it; because truthfully, I don't know how to tell if someone is being a troll or not myself. This was an legitimate experience I had in the Vault (my 2nd time healing it and first on AST) and if you don't believe me, that's fine, but making a false accusation like that is just wrong. People are just so quick to accuse someone of being a troll... And I personally healed it just fine as SCH when I first cleared it months ago.

I left that instance on my own free will, so let's leave it at that.

First time posting!

So I don't know if this guy was new or just an alt trolling, but I was just running Sastasha normal. So there was me (as SCH), a rogue, archer, and a gladiator. So I say hello at the start of the dungeon, get a reply from the rogue and the archer, gladiator says nothing. Protect goes up courtesy of one of the other players (I have cleric stance cross classed for low level stuff). Dungeon starts.

I can already tell it's going to be bad. Tank face pulls, attacks only one mob, uses no combos or anything. But I go that's fine, maybe they are just new. So we get to the open area with the clams, and it's at this point I notice the tank has less hp than me. (Hp order I believe was Rogue, me, tank, archer)


So I look at his gear. Level appropriate sword, that's good. Level 5 eyepatch, think maybe they just haven't upgraded that. And here's where it get's ugly. He's wearing the cash shop Thancred set. It's at this point I tell the rogue to tank and we end up finishing the dungeon in 34 minutes with the tank just kind of doing his thing the entire time.

The tank also passed on gear that dropped that they could have used.

To note, the tank did not have the green leaf. So, new but didn't play for a bit, alt troll, or just an incredibly sucker player?

None of that is surprising nowadays where the tank in a low-level instance will be the last person to actually perform that job.

As a tank you would think it would be common sense to not queue up something being under-geared, you have to take the brute of the enemy force, but apparently they are okay dressing up as a paper bag. Then, you get people like me where I craft my own HQ gear for DPS leveling in dungeons so as soon as we get a tank considerably under-geared, I know I'll be the one tanking. Eos usually keeps me alive.

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Originally Posted by Balacenia

He's wearing the cash shop Thancred set.

To note, the tank did not have the green leaf. So, new but didn't play for a bit, alt troll, or just an incredibly sucker player?

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Maybe a purchased account?

Healing in Arbor with a DK who refused to use Grit and or any defensive skills, telling me Grit is for tanks who don't know how to play a DK and defensive CDs are only for boss use. WUT?
This probably *might* be ok if she didn't try to mob 2-3 groups at a time, which resulted in many messy deaths.

TLDR: tank tries to vote dismiss me for failing to keep her alive, blaming me for forcing her to use her GCDs. Another WUT moment.
Tables reversed on her, we got another (thankfully sensible) tank and we cleared Drex with no problems.


Seriously, how do people who play tanks ever get away with stupid excuses like that? Makes me want to slam my face into a spiked wall every single time I run into these "I don't need xxyyzzz skills cos I'm so uber / have a healer, and don't tell me how to play my class".


Another annoying incident, but was a while ago.
I decided to level my WHM to 60 after leaving her at 59 for a while. This was probably my fault since I was a bit rusty after having not touched the WHM for a while, so I kept hitting keys meant for my AST. We rolled into Gubal and right off the bat, I see the tank take horrendous damage from the first group of mobs, even though she popped GCDs. So I checked her gear and she was still wearing mostly level 50 gears (we're talking iL90s, not even 120 or 130) with a smattering of 51 & 54 here and there. And while I was checking her gears while we were running to next lot, she charges without waiting for my SS. We somehow manage until the part with golems and a bazillion chompy books. Cue messy death as she loses aggro to blm. Res, we continue until 1st boss. Here, it was a mess of healing and esuna-ing the debuffs everyone seems to be getting into. Tank dies, I die ressing tank, dps follow. Wipe. Res. Tank tells party, let's vote dismiss the healer.

Now, at some parts, I admit I fudged due to my rustiness, but I was a bit pissed the tank was going to dismiss me even though I said at the beginning I was a bit unused to WHM again after a while. Told the tank to upgrade her gears and stop being a burden to the healer before I was unceremoniously kicked. Now, I don't like being an ass mostly, but when you're this snarky and thinking you're some elite undergeared tank...... I didn't snark on her for being undergeared, but I did feel she judged me too harshly even with a warning up front.

Meh.

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Originally Posted by Sentaryuu

Never thought to use Synastry, because I never used it before

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I remember when troll posts used to be creative and well disguised

The Vault as AST. I'll be the first to admit AST has a harder time than WHM or SCH in the last boss fight. But this one wasn't on me. They actually failed the dps check, something no group I've ever been with was able to do. This was with me in CS for the entire check phase.

Sohm Al for the first time in a premade as a SCH. We get to the last boss, with everything else going more or less fine. Last boss happens, we get past the wings, but I notice that everything hits like a bus and I can't keep up my heals for some reason.

So I take a look at the status effects list on the party and see what's going on.

Turns out that Protect had worn off before the fight had started and I hadn't noticed.

I am not able to rectify this before we wipe.

Lesson learned? Healing Tioman is a pain and I need to keep a better eye on the party's buffs. :'D

Oh, and here's another one, on the same Sohm Al run. My FC mates and I happened to be levelling various classes, among them Dragoon and Dark Knight. We get to the boss, but for some reason that we still haven't figured out our DRK can't keep aggro for longer than a second before Dragoon pulls it away.

Unfortunately, Tioman turned around right as it was using that breath attack cleave thing. And I happened to be standing in its path.

Cue several minutes of panic as I try to rectify the situation with the DRG laughing and the DRK and myself being mad at him.

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Originally Posted by Sentaryuu

After I mentioned to them that I'm having a hard time healing them in Sword Oath (during the last boss), they said a choice word that I just left. It made me say a choice word IRL that I usually don't say. That's probably the worst tank I had to heal in probably around 1000 runs I've done. >.> They are the worst kind of PLD to heal imo. Thank goodness they aren't on my server!!

I can probably guess what they said after I left, but I don't care. I'm glad to be out of that run. I probably should've tried kicking them, but I didn't think about it.

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I honestly think it's not a good idea for a PLD to stay in Sword Oath for the entire Vault boss fight, I never did, except for the add phase and maybe a push when a DPS was dead (Plus I was wearing full STR right sides at i140ish, that was pretty fair). See the PLD shield is almost worthless for most of that fight because we can't block magic damage (and overall this is why in Alex raiding they are the least desired main tank).

So basically they are taking all the sickness AoEs straight up, and if they are not in the ~i140 range of that dungeon, it's going to hurt really bad. If they don't avoid the chess, use cooldowns, and avoid the junk on the ground it's just annoying.

I've leveled DPS jobs since and every time I see a tank get stingy with a DPS stance in that fight and many other bosses in HW, they end up dying. I get they are sometimes trying to see what they get can away with, and maybe seeing if the healer can compensate. But the reality is they have no one to blame but themselves if they die in DPS stance without a cooldown to compensate for the lack of HP/mitigation. That is how you play the stance dancing game at 60+, you make up for the drop in tankiness with cooldowns.

Ideally, Synastry should be used whenever possible for something heavy. Plus you'll save some MP and GCDs in the long run.

Had a tank early pull Oppressor in A1 normal and lock out the other healer. Solo healed the whole fight through four jumps. My MP bar was crying near fourth jump.

Wasn't me, funny enough to report though. Tank pulls the two groups of mobs b4 first boss in lvl 57 dungeon (the temple?) Died fairly quickly. Healer: "Maybe pull less, you squishy." Me: (dps) "Maybe use Diurnal/Nocturnal sect?" Healer: "Rofl, damn lvl sync."

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

Level 60 Roulette, got FC.

PLD/BRD/WHM/BLM. Everything was fine, we did really well until the final boss, clean, no problems. Then the PLD seemed to get bored and started intentionally pulling the boss over to face the ranged characters. As in, everyone else in the party. When we moved to avoid his face, he would pull it again over to face us as best he could......
Why would you want to sabotage your party like that? The guy seemed perfectly friendly before.

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I do this all the time if I'm running with an FC mate. It's funny as hell hearing their screams on teamspeak

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

I do this all the time if I'm running with an FC mate. It's funny as hell hearing their screams on teamspeak

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That could be ok if you had full premade run, you can horse around as much as you can get away with. However if there is any randoms from DF involved, doing stuff to intentionally hinder the run is quite not ok. Mostly people are there just to get it done and over with.

Lesson learned: If you join a Vault in progress and find the tank and both dps standing just after the first boss with the healer gone, there may have been a reason they got ditched. As in the first boss probably went so badly the healer realized they didn't want to attempt the 2nd, let alone the final boss, with that party. Vault can already be pretty heavy hitting and unforgiving but pair that with a tank who likes to do big pulls, turn on sword oath and lose aggro on half the mobs and a melee who killed me twice with freakin' chains because they had like a 15 second delay between 'oh I'm chained to the healer' and 'oh I should probably move away since he's already standing in the far corner' and just...GAH. I mean at one point the SMN, who was actually great, died because the tank pulled the two aoeing knight things and the two line aoe chess pieces together and then (predictably) lost aggro. SMN went down like a wet paper bag and I couldn't spare a global cool down to raise without losing the tank too.

All made worse by the fact that the tanks attitude rubbed me the wrong way. After they killed the SMN and they had just rejoined us, I took maybe two seconds to look at what had come out of the chest, planning to rebuff once everyone ran through to the next area. Suddenly the tank puts a giant '1' marker over the SMN and starts telling me to cast protect. Maybe they thought it was cute but being that it was already a bad run, I was very much not in the mood to be lectured about my job by a non-tanking tank. Good news is we passed, the robe I'd never seen drop for WHM finally did and I was good. I didn't watch them die just to prove a point...but I thought about it. Really hard. XD

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Whenever I get a run in progress and the first words out of the party are something along the lines of "Maybe this Healer knows how to heal lul" I pretty much know it's going to be a thankless carry job because they feel carrying them is my job as the Healer. Sometimes it was the Healer they had First day of new EXDR when KotL was new got in progress for my first run on last boss with 10 minutes to go they said that they kicked the Healer as they spent the run dying constantly and wiped 3 times on the last boss. I just said I'd learn on the go and it was simple. But the majority I find that the party uses the Healer as a crutch and scapegoat to be terrible at the game.

The people who are not very good tend to have the biggest attitude problems in DF. People lose their temper from time to time but some people just have huge egos with very little to back it up. Sometimes they have gear but you know they have some very patient friends who drag them through stuff.

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

I do this all the time if I'm running with an FC mate. It's funny as hell hearing their screams on teamspeak

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Hopeully you get reported next time!

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Originally Posted by Zaj_Quilos

Hopeully you get reported next time!

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Forrr having fun with my friends? I was just pointing out one reason why a tank might do that. All y'all need Jesus :D

A1N, went in as AST, partner was SCH, went diurnal and was prepared to solo heal Faust about halfway through that encounter. More and more adds appeared and the SCH showed no sign of dropping cleric stance. Another...and another...and another...until I'd solo healed Faust entirely.

On Oppressors I was fully prepared to heal until the split, which I did (for some reason prey was always me, yay) but damn if that SCH never switched out of CS the entire fight. Maaaaaaybe once for an Indomitability. Maybe.

As someone who is in no way a healer main, it was a little unnerving that it was just expected I solo heal the entire raid - and I'm not even geared at i200 yet on heals.

On the other hand, yay, I did it?

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

A1N, went in as AST, partner was SCH, went diurnal and was prepared to solo heal Faust about halfway through that encounter. More and more adds appeared and the SCH showed no sign of dropping cleric stance. Another...and another...and another...until I'd solo healed Faust entirely.

On Oppressors I was fully prepared to heal until the split, which I did (for some reason prey was always me, yay) but damn if that SCH never switched out of CS the entire fight. Maaaaaaybe once for an Indomitability. Maybe.

As someone who is in no way a healer main, it was a little unnerving that it was just expected I solo heal the entire raid - and I'm not even geared at i200 yet on heals.

On the other hand, yay, I did it?

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Did this Scholar happen to be a female lalafell whose initials were K. K.? If so, you might have healed with my friend, and yes, he does this with me too (although I'm a ilv208 WHM main)

solohealing A1N is so hard that I get to wonder : "How did you survive at all ?"

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

solohealing A1N is so hard that I get to wonder : "How did you survive at all ?"

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That's one unnecessary remark. S/he's not a main healer and wasn't expecting having to soloheal (so wasn't prepared to counter all damage alone).
Also, s/he was happy by being able to solo-heal it, so why make this kinda comment?

Why ? because I'd rather not mislead her into believing the responsability was on her co-healer only. Yes, scholars should spend a large amount of time in dps stance, yes they will heal, even when you don't notice a stance change, and certainly NO, A1N isn't hard to heal in solo, if you have a semi-decent gear and average party.
I don't see what good it would do to not tell her that, or to say nothing.

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

Why ? because I'd rather not mislead her into believing the responsability was on her co-healer only. Yes, scholars should spend a large amount of time in dps stance, yes they will heal, even when you don't notice a stance change, and certainly NO, A1N isn't hard to heal in solo, if you have a semi-decent gear and average party.
I don't see what good it would do to not tell her that, or to say nothing.

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I don't what good it did by saying it either.

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Originally Posted by Xenon_S

then i reached cutters cry
tank is a sync'd pld from 50, wearing only i55 left side, no belt, no accessories, no shield oath

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Of course there was no shield oath. CC is a level 38 dungeon. SO would have been unavailable.

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

Of course there was no shield oath. CC is a level 38 dungeon. SO would have been unavailable.

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Cutter's Cry syncs you to a maximum of level 40, though.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

A1N, went in as AST, partner was SCH, went diurnal and was prepared to solo heal Faust about halfway through that encounter. More and more adds appeared and the SCH showed no sign of dropping cleric stance. Another...and another...and another...until I'd solo healed Faust entirely.

On Oppressors I was fully prepared to heal until the split, which I did (for some reason prey was always me, yay) but damn if that SCH never switched out of CS the entire fight. Maaaaaaybe once for an Indomitability. Maybe.

As someone who is in no way a healer main, it was a little unnerving that it was just expected I solo heal the entire raid - and I'm not even geared at i200 yet on heals.

On the other hand, yay, I did it?

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Was this me lol? I tend to do this a lot if I see that the other healer is coping ok. I'll throw an adlo on preys and adlo + eye for an eye on tank with dep tacts on jump but that's it really.

Wasn't me (again) ninja in Ifrit hm ate all the charges and dies, then blames the whm for not having medica II up.

I've recently begun playing around on my whm again. I took it to 36 a long time ago for Pld Stoneskin. Figured I might as well level it. Anyway, Cutter's Cry this evening. Warrior tank, level synced. I think Ok, this will be fine, I've had good luck with tanks today.

Nope. Paper tank. First pull and the 3 mobs are chewing through him like butter. Checked, yeah, he's in Defiance. So I check his gear. He's wearing the lv 50 relic gear/artifact/whatever they're calling it now, the second Job specific stuff. And a lv 30 Steel Cuirass. And lv 9 accessories. I was lucky if I could get an Aero in on mobs between keeping the tank from eating it and the blm standing in random aoes/field hazards.

I will admit without shame that I usually never drop the CS on A1NM except for huge emergency
The damage are so ridiculously low (compare to the savage) that I expect my partner to solo it easely XP
(But i always check his stuff... To know if he has enough healing output to do it)

The best A1NM i did
Was solo heal (me as AST) and solo tank (war) and a pack of 6 blood-craving DPS
So fun but sometime so hard XD