Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I think the game forcing me to be Wuk’s best buddy after only knowing her for days is one of the most annoying things.

They thought way too much everyone would be head over heels for her and probably were really sure to be flooded with people begging for more of her.
I really wonder what exactly made them so sure of that.
Why did they think that she would be liked to this extend to the point of centering an entire expansion around her?

I am truly puzzled by that.

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It makes me think of how weirdly infatuated the XIII director was with Lightning.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It makes me think of how weirdly infatuated the XIII director was with Lightning.

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He probably played VII and couldn't shake cross-dressing Cloud out of mind after Wall Market, so he just made pink haired cloud with boobs.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It makes me think of how weirdly infatuated the XIII director was with Lightning.

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That’s… actually a really good comparison.
I still remember the moan of the masses when there was no end to her.

Now I wonder how much preproduced Wuk Lamat merchandise is being bunkered at square headquarters with them being afraid to release it.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I think the game forcing me to be Wuk’s best buddy after only knowing her for days is one of the most annoying things.

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This particular part of the story I put directly at the feet of Hiroi, why? Because Wuk is Guydelot (from the HW on bard quests) cranked up to 11, from the "we're besties" to "I'm always right about EVERYTHING" and falling upward. I had been trying to remember what jack--s character Wuk reminded me of and then I saw the slideshow of the other stuff Hiroi did, saw the bard quest notation featuring Guydelot and went "AH there it is!"

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Originally Posted by Allegor

The "Island Factory Sanctuary" of DT is we reconcider and accept the offer and are given to own a patch of land in the vicinity of Tuliyollal and now have to manage rebuilding the town located in it while also paying taxes. And no, it has no player housing despite literally being "ours". Enjoy

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How close exactly to Tuliyollal? And will it allow me to build a very big catapult?

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

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I'm not the biggest G'Raha fan but I find it gauling that out of everyone that could exploit the 'rift in reality' (Wuk should not be calling it that, she is not smart enough to refer to things this way.) it's Wuk and not G'Raha. lol You're telling me the Crystal Exarch couldn't take advantage of the weakning magicks around him and he just got thrown around but the warrior could? Insanity.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

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I was done the moment bun mom told us flipping the power switch on the endless was totally OK and we shrugged our shoulders, going along with it like some mammet.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

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It's definitely is because it comes out of absolutely nowhere and it's not really earned or needed.

Wuk is expelled before the fight even begins effortlessly...and then is just perfectly fine to jump right back in when the exact moment she can arises? Where were G'raha and Krile then? Conveniently sent "somewhere else?" Did she eat them off-screen so they wouldn't ruin her triumph over Sphene? Not only that, she suddenly comes into the fight with enough strength to both stun Queen Eternal and completely overpower her? Guess Wuk is a natural at harnessing Dynamis. Also additional fun fact: If you literally sit there for 5-10 minutes and do nothing except keep yourself alive with healing, Wuk CAN solo the rest of the fight because her giant LB always does 50% of Queen Eternals current HP and then she does small chip damage every few seconds.

And yes: I said HER triumph over Sphene. If you remember the dialogue: Wuk is telling Sphene to face HER, not US. On top of that: we can only stand back up after the second Absolute Authority because Wuk's determination is giving us the strength to do so. Once again, Wuk is a natural at utilizing Dynamis it seems. They literally put the "victory lap" trigger at the 30% HP Mark just to absolutely make sure Wuk got her moment of triumph against her big antagonist.

This entire sequence was not needed in the first place and was pretty much forced upon everyone because it is Wuk Lamat's expansion, and the writers have dictated that nothing can be accomplished without Wuk Lamat there in someway.

I WAS excited for Dawntrail and I am NOT excited for the upcoming patch. I was hoping they would go back to the patch every 3 months...Now I simply don't care. I liked Wuk Lamat from 90 to 93. I kept waiting for the story to pick up and it draaaaagggggeeeedddddd! Bring back what made FFXIV fun and exciting please!

I own a house and I don't want to lose it. I may unsubscribe for 28 days - resubscribe for 30 days - unsubscribe for 28 days - until there is something fun and exciting in the game again! Endwalker started great and then faded fast. Dawntrail faded fast...

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Originally Posted by ZXN

Wuk is expelled before the fight even begins effortlessly...and then is just perfectly fine to jump right back in when the exact moment she can arises? Where were G'raha and Krile then? Conveniently sent "somewhere else?" Did she eat them off-screen so they wouldn't ruin her triumph over Sphene? Not only that, she suddenly comes into the fight with enough strength to both stun Queen Eternal and completely overpower her? Guess Wuk is a natural at harnessing Dynamis. Also additional fun fact: If you literally sit there for 5-10 minutes and do nothing except keep yourself alive with healing, Wuk CAN solo the rest of the fight because her giant LB always does 50% of Queen Eternals current HP and then she does small chip damage every few seconds.

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And yet, the issue with Wuk Lamat is that she was not confident enough, right? /s

Not gonna lie, I cringe internally whenever I get into that fight. That awful killsteal by Wuk Lamat just overshadows the otherwise cool fight. Of course, having us defeat Queen Eternal by ourselves would have been a stain on Wuk Lamats perfect track record, and we can't have that now, can we?

That awful buff you get where she is inspiring you because she is such an awesome and strong character was the icing on that shitcake.

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Originally Posted by SeriousPan

I'm not the biggest G'Raha fan but I find it gauling that out of everyone that could exploit the 'rift in reality' (Wuk should not be calling it that, she is not smart enough to refer to things this way.) it's Wuk and not G'Raha. lol You're telling me the Crystal Exarch couldn't take advantage of the weakning magicks around him and he just got thrown around but the warrior could? Insanity.

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Oh silly you, of course our dearest Wuk Lamat learnt all there is about magic-quantum-programming while we were in Shaaloani with Erenvill, she's perfect after all, that's no problem for her!
She was only suprised by the 'rift of reality' because she missed a ';'.
She was in total control all the time!
How dare you speak ill of our perfect Dawnservant!

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this (*last trial) seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

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Oh believe me, if you press a msq-defender on this, I'm sure they will find a way how that makes totally sense and that YOU just dOn't UnDeRsTaNd!

Or they are smart enough to not even attempt to defend this but that's me giving them too much credit.

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Originally Posted by honest_psycho

Oh believe me, if you press a msq-defender on this, I'm sure they will find a way how that makes totally sense and that YOU just dOn't UnDeRsTaNd!

Or they are smart enough to not even attempt to defend this but that's me giving them too much credit.

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If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

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Originally Posted by ZXN

It's definitely is because it comes out of absolutely nowhere and it's not really earned or needed.

Wuk is expelled before the fight even begins effortlessly...and then is just perfectly fine to jump right back in when the exact moment she can arises? Where were G'raha and Krile then? Conveniently sent "somewhere else?" Did she eat them off-screen so they wouldn't ruin her triumph over Sphene? Not only that, she suddenly comes into the fight with enough strength to both stun Queen Eternal and completely overpower her? Guess Wuk is a natural at harnessing Dynamis. Also additional fun fact: If you literally sit there for 5-10 minutes and do nothing except keep yourself alive with healing, Wuk CAN solo the rest of the fight because her giant LB always does 50% of Queen Eternals current HP and then she does small chip damage every few seconds.

And yes: I said HER triumph over Sphene. If you remember the dialogue: Wuk is telling Sphene to face HER, not US. On top of that: we can only stand back up after the second Absolute Authority because Wuk's determination is giving us the strength to do so. Once again, Wuk is a natural at utilizing Dynamis it seems. They literally put the "victory lap" trigger at the 30% HP Mark just to absolutely make sure Wuk got her moment of triumph against her big antagonist.

This entire sequence was not needed in the first place and was pretty much forced upon everyone because it is Wuk Lamat's expansion, and the writers have dictated that nothing can be accomplished without Wuk Lamat there in someway.

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Totally agree.

I said in an earlier post that I didn't take much issue with Wuk Lamat taking the credit with regard to the Zooral Ja fight; she knew him pretty much all her life and certainly knew him - as a person - far better than the Warrior of Light could have. I was therefore able to view that as 'her' fight.

However, no such logic can be applied to the Queen Eternal fight. If defeating Zooral Ja was Wuk Lamat's fight, then defeating Queen Eternal should've been the Warrior of Light's fight. But the story clearly (and inexplicably) couldn't tolerate that.

In a meta sense, it was very poor writing - it started so well, but they killed the momentum to give Wuk Lamat ANOTHER "big hero" moment. It felt like they were going for another "Light the Way", or Emet saving the WoL from Elidibus, moment but really didn't understand why it worked in those two instances.

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Originally Posted by honest_psycho

Oh believe me, if you press a msq-defender on this, I'm sure they will find a way how that makes totally sense and that YOU just dOn't UnDeRsTaNd!

Or they are smart enough to not even attempt to defend this but that's me giving them too much credit.

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It's usually along the lines of "You can't stand not being the main character".

I remind you that they left all the scions behind for this to happen. Despite them being veterans and outstanding fighters, expirienced in reflections stuff and interdimentional threats. Because... door closing? (which never happened) I dont even know why Raha was let in.
We gather them all for an epic moment like Avengers only for them to stand there idly while Wuk is being perfect in everything.
And THEN we put all their moments that were promoted in a trailer to CREDITS SCENE!!! Devs might as well spat in my face. And i actually feel like they did.
Ive got an amazing med plot on the shore of Mists decorated like a beach resort, but i am not going to resub for it. First of all - screw them! They dont get any money from me before 7.1 where i wait for full 180 on wrighting and stuff. And second - i go through hell to pay 20$ a month because of IRL politics. And this game currently does not worth this effort.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

I remind you that they left all the scions behind for this to happen. Despite them being veterans and outstanding fighters, expirienced in reflections stuff and interdimentional threats. Because... door closing? (which never happened) I dont even know why Raha was let in.
We gather them all for an epic moment like Avengers only for them to stand there idly while Wuk is being perfect in everything.
And THEN we put all their moments that were promoted in a trailer to CREDITS SCENE!!! Devs might as well spat in my face. And i actually feel like they did.
Ive got an amazing med plot on the shore of Mists decorated like a beach resort, but i am not going to resub for it. First of all - screw them! They dont get any money from me before 7.1 where i wait for full 180 on wrighting and stuff. And second - i go through hell to pay 20$ a month because of IRL politics. And this game currently does not worth this effort.

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G'raha could have acted as a foil for Sphene since he was also the leader of one of the last bastions of civilization on a shard that was on the brink, but obviously went down a very different path. It'd make more sense than her foil being a freshly appointed co-leader of a near-utopia.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

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This is what baffles me the most about DT's defenders. DT needs the audience to have poor literacy for the story even to work. The moment you pull at a single thread, the whole thing unravels. It's bizarre that actual critiques of the story, of which there are an endless amount, get accused of being a product of "low attention span" as if the writing doesn't beat you over the head with the same point again and again juuust in case you forgot anything from two lines earlier.

The writers seemed to assume we're all stupid and would either not notice or intentionally ignore blatant plot holes, poor dialogue, and zero solid character arcs. There were so many points I felt outright scorn from this team - I looked at my partner at one point and was like, "Do they hate us for playing this game?"

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Originally Posted by Daralii

If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

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This one is so infuriating because the vast majority of the critiques of this game have gone into great detail about what parts failed and why, you can read any of the story focused threads here to see a lot of great analysis, and yet the Twitter defenders will just go "yOU jUst hAtE noT bEInG thE ceNteR oF aTtEnsIOn!!"

NO!

I liked the idea of being a mentor! Too bad we never did that! All we had to do was tell Wuk Lamat that she was always perfect just the way she is and then she had the confidence and ability to do literally anything she wanted! That's not mentoring!

lmao "media literacy" arguments from Twitter, the website where basic reading comprehension goes to die.

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

I liked the idea of being a mentor! Too bad we never did that! All we had to do was tell Wuk Lamat that she was always perfect just the way she is and then she had the confidence and ability to do literally anything she wanted! That's not mentoring!

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I felt more like a mentor to Vath Deftarm than I did to Wuk. We were more like her bodyguards, if anything, and we couldn't get even that right (the kidnapping quest still annoys me more than it should). So what are we if neither mentors nor bodyguards? .....cheerleaders. We were merely cheerleaders.

https://media.tenor.com/lFXm1cT_TxQAAAAM/gary-oak.gif

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Originally Posted by honest_psycho

To answer unanswered question: The source of the problem is that the writers are absolute talentless amateurs and need to be replaced asap.

Every other question has been done and debated ad nauseam.
Everyone who thinks "Dawntrail and Wuk Lamat is the bestest thing EVARRR" is huffing lethal amounts of copium because they don't wanna admit that their favourite game/second home etc shat their pants.

And now these people pretend that their A-student just "accidentaly" sat on "chocolate cake", despite proof that there was no cake at the school-cafeteria on that day and that EVERYONE CAN SMELL IT.

If you just gobble up this mess of a product, don't be suprised when this game goes down in flames in a few years, which WILL happen with the current writers.
Mark my words.

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Rofl you made my Day. I nearly choked on my Chips.

Wuk Lamat is the real villain of Final Fantasy 14. She poisoned my potion supply, stole my story moment, burned my raid food, made Lyse look like a Disney sidekick in being a blackhole mary sue attention hog, and delivered the black rose plague upon our FC houses. Grynewaht would’ve unironically been a better lead character than how she turned out. Zenos committed atrocity after atrocity to have a WrestleMania rematch with us, Emet-Selch wanted to erase what he believed was our Kmart-grade existence, and Meteion was the embodiment of every doomer meme. Wuk Lamat is the only one who has made people fall out of love with FFXIV with her character writing and the expansion's writing.

In absolute seriousness though it’s a legitimate tragedy to see the result of this decline from the end of Endwalker. To see a lot of people drift away from the title if not completely lose faith in it after Dawntrail failed to live up to what was promised to await us. It’s one thing to hate something in its totality and in sincerity, but it’s another thing to watch yourself and others fall out of love with something that you’ve treasured and cherished close to your heart, and that is what Dawntrail unfortunately was for FFXIV. And Dawntrail IS Wuk Lamat.

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Originally Posted by ValusArmaros

In absolute seriousness though it’s a legitimate tragedy to see the result of this decline from the end of Endwalker. To see a lot of people drift away from the title if not completely lose faith in it after Dawntrail failed to live up to what was promised to await us. It’s one thing to hate something in its totality and in sincerity, but it’s another thing to watch yourself and others fall out of love with something that you’ve treasured and cherished close to your heart, and that is what Dawntrail unfortunately was for FFXIV. And Dawntrail IS Wuk Lamat.

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That's a good point in retrospect, because I don't think that any of the pre-launch promotional material gave the impression that Wuk Lamat would take centre-stage through the entirety of the expansion.
Heck, it's pretty telling that most of the Scion-scenes from those first "Open Sky" cinematics actually occurred in the finale cutscenes of 7.0!

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That's a good point in retrospect, because I don't think that any of the pre-launch promotional material gave the impression that Wuk Lamat would take centre-stage through the entirety of the expansion.
Heck, it's pretty telling that most of the Scion-scenes from those first "Open Sky" cinematics actually occurred in the finale cutscenes of 7.0!

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She also did not get to be on that promo building. G’raha did, along with WoL and Erenville

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That's a good point in retrospect, because I don't think that any of the pre-launch promotional material gave the impression that Wuk Lamat would take centre-stage through the entirety of the expansion.
Heck, it's pretty telling that most of the Scion-scenes from those first "Open Sky" cinematics actually occurred in the finale cutscenes of 7.0!

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This is what makes me think some MASSIVE rewrites happened very late into production. I don't think she was originally planned to be nearly as centralized as she ended up being. I'd do anything to find out what happened in that writers' room that led to this being the final product, because if my hunch is correct, it was ugly.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That's a good point in retrospect, because I don't think that any of the pre-launch promotional material gave the impression that Wuk Lamat would take centre-stage through the entirety of the expansion.
Heck, it's pretty telling that most of the Scion-scenes from those first "Open Sky" cinematics actually occurred in the finale cutscenes of 7.0!

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

She also did not get to be on that promo building. G’raha did, along with WoL and Erenville

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Originally Posted by sylphlands

This is what makes me think some MASSIVE rewrites happened very late into production. I don't think she was originally planned to be nearly as centralized as she ended up being. I'd do anything to find out what happened in that writers' room that led to this being the final product, because if my hunch is correct, it was ugly.

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If we go based on just the promo building stuff, the WoL and Erenville being there make sense. G'raha though does not make ANY sense. If anything, people would assume the three on the promo building would be WoL/Erenville/Krile, given how much Krile was hyped up in the fanfest keynotes as well as pushed near the end of the Endwalker to really be preparing herself to finally fight alongside everyone properly and was going to have a big part to play in the story [and of course we all saw how shit that turned out to be]. The other assumption would obviously be WoL/Erenville/Wuk Lamat given Dawntrail is just Wuk Lamat's expansion and she was introduced at the end of Endwalker and is our ticket to Tural for a new adventure. Yes you could say that "G'raha is just there to build people's interest in Dawntrail" to which I say that's cool and all: but putting Y'shtola, who is essentially the "face" of FF14, would've drawn in even more if they just wanted to put a face up that more people recognized to "build interest."

But they instead ultimately chose G'raha, even though he only appears during the second half of the expansion.

Of course it's all speculation in the end, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was actually a huge re-write of some sort sometime during development.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

G'raha could have acted as a foil for Sphene since he was also the leader of one of the last bastions of civilization on a shard that was on the brink, but obviously went down a very different path. It'd make more sense than her foil being a freshly appointed co-leader of a near-utopia.

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That's actually such a good point. The entire Alexandria line could've been done with G'raha, yet he got fully sidelined instead. While he would've made so much more sense than madam in charge for 5 minutes

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Originally Posted by MoiraTerrwell

That's actually such a good point. The entire Alexandria line could've been done with G'raha, yet he got fully sidelined instead. While he would've made so much more sense than madam in charge for 5 minutes

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Almost any character other than Wuk would've been better to focus on for the Alexandria part of the MSQ, why they felt the need to force Wuk in the players face so hard in the second half remains beyond me and was probably the single worst decision the writing team made in Dawntrail

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Originally Posted by sylphlands

This is what baffles me the most about DT's defenders. DT needs the audience to have poor literacy for the story even to work.

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Sometimes I just wonder if people read anymore. How anyone can consume ANY literature during their life and then defend the writing in Dawntrail is beyond me (or watch any part way decently written TV series). Hell, your average X-Men crossover series makes more sense than Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by Zaniel

Sometimes I just wonder if people read anymore. How anyone can consume ANY literature during their life and then defend the writing in Dawntrail is beyond me (or watch any part way decently written TV series). Hell, your average X-Men crossover series makes more sense than Dawntrail.

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Honestly, I think a lot of the defense (and some of the hatred) of DT is ideological, which is why so many of the arguments are nonsensical or pure deflection tactics. "Group X (dis)likes this game because they're on the wrong team so I have to defend/attack it!"

The game also has a lot of weird toxic positivity where people get very upset if you criticize the game at all so they'll just defend it reflexively.

But, for some reason, there are people who genuinely like the story. There's someone on my friend list who reads fantasy fiction voraciously and thinks Dawntrail is the best expansion by far. You can't account for taste I suppose.

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Originally Posted by sylphlands

This is what baffles me the most about DT's defenders. DT needs the audience to have poor literacy for the story even to work. The moment you pull at a single thread, the whole thing unravels. It's bizarre that actual critiques of the story, of which there are an endless amount, get accused of being a product of "low attention span" as if the writing doesn't beat you over the head with the same point again and again juuust in case you forgot anything from two lines earlier.

The writers seemed to assume we're all stupid and would either not notice or intentionally ignore blatant plot holes, poor dialogue, and zero solid character arcs. There were so many points I felt outright scorn from this team - I looked at my partner at one point and was like, "Do they hate us for playing this game?"

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I'll take a pick from the jar:

Zoraal ja spent 30 years preparing to invade Tuliyollal and he was still beaten by his old, officially retired, literally half dead father.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

Honestly, I think a lot of the defense (and some of the hatred) of DT is ideological, which is why so many of the arguments are nonsensical or pure deflection tactics. "Group X (dis)likes this game because they're on the wrong team so I have to defend/attack it!"

The game also has a lot of weird toxic positivity where people get very upset if you criticize the game at all so they'll just defend it reflexively.

But, for some reason, there are people who genuinely like the story. There's someone on my friend list who reads fantasy fiction voraciously and thinks Dawntrail is the best expansion by far. You can't account for taste I suppose.

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Unfortunately, that first reason is the most potent and accurate.
I wouldn't say I like it for XYZ reason. I must be on the wrong side of the lake and hate the golden child Wuk because of it.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I'll take a pick from the jar:

Zoraal ja spent 30 years preparing to invade Tuliyollal and he was still beaten by his old, officially retired, literally half dead father.

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And in that same vein, we have become death, destroyer of worlds, having fought the strongest goes in the universe, and said retiree fought us to a standstill.

Didn’t the pensioner give up after a bit when fighting the player? I never got the impression he had the upper hand, even without forgetting his brother was dead. Which does make it kind of weird that we weren’t asked to kick the poo out of zoraal ja at any point during the rite. One of the bigger motivators for visiting tural was the threat of invasion if he became king. We could have been stormblood zenos to someone.

Speaking of stormblood, didn’t the resonant chair require a lot of human sacrifice/souls/whatever similar to the everkeep boss fight thing?

Also pretty weird zoraal get to use a dftc in the 93 dungeon before he’s threatening

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Originally Posted by fulminating

We could have been stormblood zenos to someone.

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We were kinda that for Grynewaht back in Stormblood. (which, imho, was still a super tragic story. Because it was being played for laughs it did not hit quite as well as it could have.)

But generally, yeah, it would be nice to have someone wanting to reach us in terms of combat prowess, since the WoL is literally the biggest top dog there is.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

We were kinda that for Grynewaht back in Stormblood. (which, imho, was still a super tragic story. Because it was being played for laughs it did not hit quite as well as it could have.)

But generally, yeah, it would be nice to have someone wanting to reach us in terms of combat prowess, since the WoL is literally the biggest top dog there is.

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That's not exactly true. No-one in Tural knew who we were and I don't recall us being referred to as "Warrior of Light" even once. I think it's fair to say that we're only "top dog" when we've done something to demonstrates that.

And what's worse is that even now that 'we' are somewhat known in the region the NPC dialogue subsequent to the 'ending' indicates that we're viewed as someone who travelled/fought alongside Wuk Lamat rather than being someone who is an impressive combatant in their own right.
Although I will note that it feels as if the Arcadion raid series might address this to some degree.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That's not exactly true. No-one in Tural knew who we were and I don't recall us being referred to as "Warrior of Light" even once. I think it's fair to say that we're only "top dog" when we've done something to demonstrates that.

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Just to be clear - i never said this had to happen in Tural. I merely suggest that it would be nice if that were to happen at some place and at some time ;)

Generally, yes, we were rather incognito in Tural, that I understand fully. Still would have been nice if there were people that actually knew at least rumors about the WoL from Eorzea.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Just to be clear - i never said this had to happen in Tural. I merely suggest that it would be nice if that were to happen at some place and at some time ;)

Generally, yes, we were rather incognito in Tural, that I understand fully. Still would have been nice if there were people that actually knew at least rumors about the WoL from Eorzea.

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Agreed - and apologies - misconstrued what you were saying!

Honestly? That's another issue I take with the story. I really don't think the WoL should've been quite as anonymous as they were.

I mean, it'd be a stretch that anyone would recognize the WoL by sight, but still - there wasn't even so much as a hint that anyone was really aware of what occurred in Eoreza.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Agreed - and apologies - misconstrued what you were saying!

Honestly? That's another issue I take with the story. I really don't think the WoL should've been quite as anonymous as they were.

I mean, it'd be a stretch that anyone would recognize the WoL by sight, but still - there wasn't even so much as a hint that anyone was really aware of what occurred in Eoreza.

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Gonna copypaste something I posted elsewhere that I think fits the conversation. If Koana and Gulool Ja Ja knew who the WoL was, and at least some of our feats, then it could've been integrated into the story. It doesn't make sense for some rando in Texas to know who we are, but the dude who's always in Sharlayan and the guy in charge of a continent-spanning country (along with his militaristic child)? Hell yeah it makes sense.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

....Some key characters (Gulool Ja Ja, Koana, etc...) could've acknowledged the WoL's place in stopping the Final Days (probably should be called something else in Tulilloyal) but pretty much nobody else would've had knowledge of who we are. Instead, people turning into monsters and going on a rampage aren't acknowledged at all, which just felt cheap and lazy.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That's not exactly true. No-one in Tural knew who we were and I don't recall us being referred to as "Warrior of Light" even once. I think it's fair to say that we're only "top dog" when we've done something to demonstrates that.

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I remember bakool jaja at the very least and I think zoraal ja specifically mentioning they didn't want to engage in combat with "wuk lamat's mercenary". I'm not quite sure if this is wuk's combat capabilities being considered abysmal or if our anonymous reputation has preceded us. Somehow.