VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

it's not *the* solution but it is *a* solution for when after about 5 years of feedback we get nothing but "yeah its coming". i'd be okay if the racial hair didn't work with hats or whatever since the ones added to viera already have that second hair model for when you wear hats in use for all of the other races

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It's still kind of like when you ask a windows question in a windows forum and people shout "just use linux"... Yes, mods might be an option that exists, but it doesn't solve the actual problem, just covers it up for you personally on your end of the screen. For many people this might be enough and if you're one of them, more power to you, but it's not really a sufficient workaround.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

it's not *the* solution but it is *a* solution for when after about 5 years of feedback we get nothing but "yeah its coming". i'd be okay if the racial hair didn't work with hats or whatever since the ones added to viera already have that second hair model for when you wear hats in use for all of the other races

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I'm not risking my account and a permanent ban just for something that should already be in the game. I've talked with multiple Gms and they have a consensus that using mods even for viera hats = perma ban if caught.
no way I'm risking that

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I'm not risking my account and a permanent ban just for something that should already be in the game. I've talked with multiple Gms and they have a consensus that using mods even for viera hats = perma ban if caught.
no way I'm risking that

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

you're in luck because there is a mod for that too

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Unfortunately, I don't think that's a solution for console players. As far as I'm aware, mods are only available on PC. FFXIV's playerbase have been increasing in Playstation and Xbox as well, so it causes more players to feel disgruntled and excluded overtime.

No mention so far in the LL about hats....not really unexpected.

I wasn't really expecting anything, SE seems like they really want to get Viera players to forget about their broken half-finished race, but they won't say that in fear that the people who play it will leave the game.
This game of stringing us along over and over with will they - won't they about being able to wear hats is incredibly stupid and it's getting really old.

Endwalker probably would have died without mods tbh

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I wasn't really expecting anything, SE seems like they really want to get Viera players to forget about their broken half-finished race, but they won't say that in fear that the people who play it will leave the game.
This game of stringing us along over and over with will they - won't they about being able to wear hats is incredibly stupid and it's getting really old.

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They will, just we dont really know when.

It's never going to happen. They just don't want to admit it. So they lie with the "we're working on it" deflection whenever it's brought up.

This graphics update and release of Hrothgals was really their last chance to show us it will ever get done. It's not.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Endwalker probably would have died without mods tbh

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I have to agree with this, many of my friends got the things they wanted out of the game due to mods. The hat mods and many other ones make the game's shortcomings bearable. Big F if you're on console though.

Personally I'm gone after msq, square enix keeps proving that the game's in maintenance mode since endwalker. But hey here's more umbrellas!

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Originally Posted by DrForester

It's never going to happen. They just don't want to admit it. So they lie with the "we're working on it" deflection whenever it's brought up.

This graphics update and release of Hrothgals was really their last chance to show us it will ever get done. It's not.

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This is most likely the reality, they never intended on finishing these 2 races. But I know what they will do, they will tout making tiny hats that sit on viera's foreheads as a "8.0 feature" at the next fanfest.

L00( ferwa$d t8 eet!

I've ran out of hope regarding hats. I'd be ecstatic if they actually added them, but I just don't see it ever happening. :/

Also, just wanna vent a little bit: I'm annoyed by the fact that they haven't fixed the face-hair issue that's been plaguing Hrothgar players since ShB.

They could at least resolve that already. It's messed up that Hrothgar players have to pay IRL money if they want to wear an exclusive hairstyle that's locked to a particular face.

I was hoping they'd fix it when Hrothgals were added, but nope. Unless they're waiting for a 7.x patch, but eh, I'll have to see it to believe it.

They were not going to get head items at all, yet (allegedly) some devs worked overtime because they knew people would be upset.

They likely also never even intended to have both genders, yet here we are with male Viera and female Hroth.

Hroths were apparently never getting more hairstyles, then the earpocalypse happened and we're getting more and more universal hairstyles.

Point is, as entitled as it may sound, being loud and making a tantrum does work, it just needs to be big enough of a scoop.

No unlockable hairstyles supported at Dawntrail launch it seems. I held out hope but apparently it's still deemed acceptable to release a new racial option in this state.
I think my Fantasia is just going to sit there in the login screen for 2-4 more years until they actually have parity with everyone else. Limited race.

I’m kind of fed up by this hat situation too.
I don’t use hat THAT often but tbh, I just like to know I have the choice to wear them in game.
You pay the same subscription as everyone else but you don’t have the same access to the service. It’s bothering.

And, like many people have already said here, SE is making good profit on fantasias because of the state of Hroth and Viera races…

Don't forget that Y'shtola & Thancreds Modish hair still isn't accessible by Viera & those are mog station hairs

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

Don't forget that Y'shtola & Thancreds Modish hair still isn't accessible by Viera & those are mog station hairs

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Yeah…. Sh*t is piling up.
I’m glad they added so many older hairstyles since the races came out but there is still many work to do…

And to add, since this have been pointed: Imo, biggest insult to Hroth and Viera would be giving our racial hairstyles to others without giving us headgear.

Booted up the expansion, my character couldn't use any of the new AF gear I've run into yet, multiple expansions after the race was created.
Come on what are you guys doing? You're making gear over and over again that certain races can't use.

SE, YOU are the ones designing this gear, design gear that doesn't have limitations like this.

Very sad to put on yet another new hat with yet another built-from-scratch model that is not visible on my Hrothgar. I've given up on having everything from before ShB be backported, since I know it takes a lot of effort, but when they make brand new hats but then deliberately exclude us it makes these races feel like an afterthought compared to the catgirls and femras of the world.

I like going into a new expansion where the new character is of a race where I know she can't wear all the hats of her own country. Really makes me excited to spend more money on this game :)

I regret pre-ordering. Was very disappointed to find that they still didn't effing incorporate hats.

Horns too big for her gat dang head
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Originally Posted by BunnyBrat

I regret pre-ordering. Was very disappointed to find that they still didn't effing incorporate hats.

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Did people actually think they were going to though?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Did people actually think they were going to though?

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Yes? That was the whole point of using one head model to morph from. They talked about it during London fanfest.

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

Yes? That was the whole point of using one head model to morph from. They talked about it during London fanfest.

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We are talking about SE here. How long have you all been playing?

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Originally Posted by Owyn_Addens

Very sad to put on yet another new hat with yet another built-from-scratch model that is not visible on my Hrothgar. I've given up on having everything from before ShB be backported, since I know it takes a lot of effort, but when they make brand new hats but then deliberately exclude us it makes these races feel like an afterthought compared to the catgirls and femras of the world.

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Catgirls are not considered either. Have you seen new bdsm gear with hyur ear slots on miqote?

Also I would like to add that all those recent events which had a headpiece unavailable for viera/hrothgar (even when the plot of the event stops making sense without it) - were defended by saying there is a graphical update incoming, which is supposedly will address it. And here we are again.

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

Catgirls are not considered either. Have you seen new bdsm gear with hyur ear slots on miqote?

Also I would like to add that all those recent events which had a headpiece unavailable for viera/hrothgar (even when the plot of the event stops making sense without it) - were defended by saying there is a graphical update incoming, which is supposedly will address it. And here we are again.

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People make excuses for it, but anyone who has played for awhile at this point (and isn't delusional) knows how CBU3 operates. Miqo'te, even though they are the most populous player race, are often left out of even slight headgear adjustments (which has been a thing for awhile now). If anybody seriously thought (and I mean ACTUALLY thought they would) that they were going to add hats to viera/hrothgar, that is a big lol.

I play since StB, and giving up on things is certainly a way to cope and a personal choice I won’t argue with. But calling people delusional for expecting to deliver on promises made and an equal treatment between races - is not helping anyone.

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

I play since StB, and giving up on things is certainly a way to cope and a personal choice I won’t argue with. But calling people delusional for expecting to deliver on promises made and an equal treatment between races - is not helping anyone.

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Is there actual text or direct quotes of them saying, "hey we are going back on our decision and making all hats available for viera/hrothgar", or at least at minimum: "All future hats available". I'd like to actually see Yoshida state that, rather than head adjustments that people think allude to that. Yoshida has stated on multiple occasions no hats, but perhaps I am wrong! I haven't followed the news that closely since partway through EW, when I gave up even bothering anymore.

What you can expect from CBU3 is the bare minimum. If anything will actually require some effort, or time, it isn't going to happen most of the time. And that is ignoring all the other issues that aren't relevant here.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is there actual text or direct quotes of them saying, "hey we are going back on our decision and making all hats available for viera/hrothgar", or at least at minimum: "All future hats available". I'd like to actually see Yoshida state that, rather than head adjustments that people think allude to that. Yoshida has stated on multiple occasions no hats, but perhaps I am wrong! I haven't followed the news that closely since partway through EW, when I gave up even bothering anymore.

What you can expect from CBU3 is the bare minimum. If anything will actually require some effort, or time, it isn't going to happen most of the time. And that is ignoring all the other issues that aren't relevant here.

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Not something you can sue them for, no. But https://youtube.com/live/JhNkQv_wUj4 starting from 4:18:20 they are talking about unification of the head for races and one of the reason/goal is to reuse assets and streamline development. Which brings the question - what assets if not the hair or the headpieces? Especially something that was not possible before with all them being separate. And if it for some reason animation - then why not call it that? I can’t speak for hrothgars, but viera definitely got remodelled and unified. And for what then? Being upset and disappointed that all that was not even for getting access to the _new_ gear at the very least - seems pretty natural to me.

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

Not something you can sue them for, no. But https://youtube.com/live/JhNkQv_wUj4 starting from 4:18:20 they are talking about unification of the head for races and one of the reason/goal is to reuse assets and streamline development. Which brings the question - what assets if not the hair or the headpieces? Especially something that was not possible before with all them being separate. And if it for some reason animation - then why not call it that? I can’t speak for hrothgars, but viera definitely got remodelled and unified. And for what then? Being upset and disappointed that all that was not even for getting access to the _new_ gear at the very least - seems pretty natural to me.

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I have been already upset about it for years, it is just futile. Any of that coming out for DT was always just a fever dream. Literally, when EW came out the same exact thing was complained about "the new gear at the very least", there was some hope when the graphics update was announced that this would be a thing, but - again - anybody who knows how CBU3 operates already knew it was a long shot that anything like this would be added.

It is, unfortunately, a thing of "what did you expect?". This has been their modus operandi for years.

I would love to see things like that added, and actual *effort* be put into the game, rather than the homogenized, safe, mess that is has become. Where you can't even expect things for player races, as little as acknowledgment that something has cat ears.. Unless Yoshida explicitly states something like that will be added - probably not going to be added. Assuming things will only lead players to further disappointment, and frustration.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I have been already upset about it for years, it is just futile. Any of that coming out for DT was always just a fever dream. Literally, when EW came out the same exact thing was complained about "the new gear at the very least", there was some hope when the graphics update was announced that this would be a thing, but - again - anybody who knows how CBU3 operates already knew it was a long shot that anything like this would be added.

It is, unfortunately, a thing of "what did you expect?". This has been their modus operandi for years.

I would love to see things like that added, and actual *effort* be put into the game, rather than the homogenized, safe, mess that is has become. Where you can't even expect things even for player races, as little as acknowledgment that something has cat ears.. Unless Yoshida explicitly states something like that will be added - probably not going to be added.

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Honestly? The only thing I personally expected was not having my character getting worse after the update, but even that was shuttered (looking at male vieras especially). But I still think voicing problems is important. If people have the strength for it - let them be instead of discouraging.
And on that note - I don’t know how CBU3 operates. The whole SE had a pretty big restructure recently, so now it is even less clear what to expect.

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

Honestly? The only thing I personally expected was not having my character getting worse after the update, but even that was shuttered (looking at male vieras especially). But I still think voicing problems is important. If people have the strength for it - let them be instead of discouraging.
And on that note - I don’t know how CBU3 operates. The whole SE had a pretty big restructure recently, so now it is even less clear what to expect.

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Honestly, same. I think there was always the thought my presets would look worse, but I didn't think they would feel so off, and I have purposefully been so out of the loop, that I never bothered with the benchmark. Thinking about what the game has become annoys me to no end. My presets, they're still certainly 'playable', and my actual Viera seems alright (I just had no new outfits ready to go for one at the moment).

Funnily enough. The biggest reason I didn't just switch back to my viera, is because for my pictomancer, I have this specific hat that I use that completely makes the outfit... that I cannot use on viera. It is a sad, sad irony.

Rather disapointed in the Hrothgals rather limited fur colors. Its just black, white, and various shades of yellow... and like bright pink. I wanted to make a darker red cat and cannot. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...20110227161510

Okay, is it me? Or did a lot of the female Viera suddenly get poopy nose??

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Okay, is it me? Or did a lot of the female Viera suddenly get poopy nose??

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It's not just female Viera, my face 1 male Viera preset also now has one. It was first seen on the comparison from the fanfest stream. Thought I'd be adjusted as it looked like I had the darker nose tip option toggled, but alas.

https://i.imgur.com/vOo3RL2.png

My biggest gripe - especially after seeing all the NPCs around Tural - is WHY are player Hrothgar still so limited with the face specific hairstyles? Releasing female Hrothgar with only -2- hairstyles outside of their race specific ones is bad enough but then making the exact same mistake and locking the hairstyles to their faces for players again??? Why?

I really hope we can somehow push a change through regarding this. There are some fantastic looks that we could make if the hairs could be used across their faces and from what I can see there's no real clipping, glitching or any reason as to why it shouldn't be possible. Let us do it SE!

why did they launch femhroth with 4 hairstyles that are face locked?
weren't there enough complaints about that when males were released in the first place?
like, cmon!

i didnt enter the hairstyle contest on time bc i was working too much, but i did doodle some up post-contest for fun-before we knew exactly what femhroth were going to look like.
I just wish they'd had added the contest hairs for them as a big hooah welcome of sorts. i did do some curly/coily textured ones but never got passed super scratchy b&w mode > - <;;

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For Viera nose, I went into the character creator to see if a fantasia would fix this and it seems to be all have this? Or maybe it is just the type of viera? It looks like they have ashes smudged on the nose.

Came here to whine about sleeves on hrothgal armor, really hope they do something about it TT