Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

Stormblood was a significantly better story from a writing perspective, and there were definitely characters that were... frowned upon to say the least. But the problem we're seeing is a case where a not-good story then has a character that reads like a self insert Mary Sue with a script that induces actual cringe read by a VA that clearly wasn't ready to be in front stage to such a massive audience for this many lines. It's a bad story with an even worse casting problem.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Stormblood had Hien and Gotetsu and Sadu... And we got to face awesome opponents like Susano, and Lakshmi. Stormblood is absolutely cooler than Dawntrail.

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There were some great scenes with Gotetsu and we actually felt like we matter with Susano and Lakshmi. It honestly feels like my character hasn't been needed for all of the stuff upto and including 95

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

IMO DT is a step down from SHB/EW, but still a good deal better than Stormblood.

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Honestly? Not at all. Stormblood had huge issues (The entire Ala Mhigan section was ass for the most part), but Doma was a shock hit with a ton of really engaging characters. The Azim Steppe was so genuiniely inspired, Hien and Gosestsu had a very good and classic synergy, and in general a lot of neat lore was developed. Yeah, Lyse dominated the story a bit, but she still stepped out now and then.

Meanwhile the story doen't feel like it's about the New World, it feels like it's about Wuk, and everything else is secondary. Keep ini mind, I do NOT like Stormblood. But it was leagues better.

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Originally Posted by Tethan

You arrive in a foreign land inhabited by various tribes. You travel around and learn about their cultures and then you partake in a competition to determine who will be the new ruler of this land, on behalf of a local girl.

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I'd also say the Azim tribes manage to have more depth than pretty much all of the Turel tribes while only being one zone and about 2 or so levels worth of quests

Dawntrail suffers from the same issues as Stormblood story wise. (2 stories in one expansion.)

But that's honestly where it ends, I just don't understand why they had the exact same issues. Shadowbringers handled the second half story shift so much better than SB and DT that I thought they learnt from their mistake.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Dawntrail suffers from the same issues as Stormblood story wise. (2 stories in one expansion.)

But that's honestly where it ends, I just don't understand why they had the exact same issues. Shadowbringers handled the second half story shift so much better than SB and DT that I thought they learnt from their mistake.

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I think they did, Endwalker even did great, too. I mean at the 83 trial I'm pretty sure everyone went "Wait, already!?" but in a good way. It meant bigger things were happening.

The issue we see now is a new writer. Someone who hasn't learned their lessons. A new writfer following ShB and EW was always going to be a difficult battle and it was sure to get the brunt of some criticism... But the mistakes in this expansion are so obvious and so terribly that, while I see a new writer making these mistakes, this script had to go through editors and undergo revisions. There isn't "A writer" there's teams of writers. Multiple sets of eyes. It makes me wonder, how bad was it before revisions that this looks this bad now?

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Originally Posted by Ryaduera

I think they did, Endwalker even did great, too. I mean at the 83 trial I'm pretty sure everyone went "Wait, already!?" but in a good way. It meant bigger things were happening.

The issue we see now is a new writer. Someone who hasn't learned their lessons. A new writfer following ShB and EW was always going to be a difficult battle and it was sure to get the brunt of some criticism... But the mistakes in this expansion are so obvious and so terribly that, while I see a new writer making these mistakes, this script had to go through editors and undergo revisions. There isn't "A writer" there's teams of writers. Multiple sets of eyes. It makes me wonder, how bad was it before revisions that this looks this bad now?

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Given the change of writer it feels really strange they were allowed to let there OC just crush every scene and drive out every character

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Given the change of writer it feels really strange they were allowed to let there OC just crush every scene and drive out every character

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It's such a blatant Mary Sue character, if it's so obvious now, how bad did the script look before it went through revisions? Normally I wait until I complete a story to give a full critique and I'm not through the entire expansion yet, but this is just so bad. This whole thing sounds like something I'd find on Wattpad.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._jp_wuk_lamat/

(SPOILER - from a later scene)

For anyone who is not changing the voices over to JP - here is a comparison video someone on reddit posted this morning. It's a good listen. I'd swap only Wuk if I could lol.

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Originally Posted by Ryaduera

It's such a blatant Mary Sue character, if it's so obvious now, how bad did the script look before it went through revisions? Normally I wait until I complete a story to give a full critique and I'm not through the entire expansion yet, but this is just so bad. This whole thing sounds like something I'd find on Wattpad.

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Lyse makes her grand return lol.