Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

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Originally Posted by Kasumii

can still rez after the boss is defeated.

By your logic we shouldn't rez anyone in FT because if they're dead they clearly got a mechanic wrong and are a danger and a threat to the group and their limited raises.

Clearly if someone in your pre-made dies then it's also because they do not understand the fight so that makes it okay to leave them dead on the floor too? Surely you agree with me?

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You cant wipe a critical engagement in occult by standing in the wrong spot. You can wipe a forked tower by standing in the wrong spot.

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Originally Posted by Kasumii

If they do not maliciously do anything then you're out of luck (that goes for your snarky comment regarding obstruction of play. Obstruction of play is not reviving someone maliciously for example, not being a bad player/doing a mechanic wrong)

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If you're joining a group at a further prog point than you in content that one error can result in a full wipe, you are obstructing their play. It's very straightforward. Just because the entrance to the content is a glowy platform and not a PF listing, does not make it any less disruptive to do.

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Originally Posted by Neclord

If you're joining a group at a further prog point than you in content that one error can result in a full wipe, you are obstructing their play. It's very straightforward. Just because the entrance to the content is a glowy platform and not a PF listing, does not make it any less disruptive to do.

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You're shifting the goal posts again (not like I expected any less) and ignore my point. You are not obstructing anyone for doing the content if you give it your best shot and don't intentionally/maliciously cause a wipe. You are obstructing the random if you deny them a raise when you fully know you could raise him and even announce as much in chat. Why do you people constantly ignore the "malicious" angle so much...? Almost like you do not want to admit that you're acting in a malicious way. But it is whatever, I am done wasting my breath with you and yours. Go dunk on some more "snipers" and feel superior in your little discord groups that are above everyone else, nobody can take that away from you.

Have a good day :)

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Originally Posted by Kasumii

You're shifting the goal posts again (not like I expected any less) and ignore my point. You are not obstructing anyone for doing the content if you give it your best shot and don't intentionally/maliciously cause a wipe. You are obstructing the random if you deny them a raise when you fully know you could raise him and even announce as much in chat. Why do you people constantly ignore the "malicious" angle so much...? Almost like you do not want to admit that you're acting in a malicious way. But it is whatever, I am done wasting my breath with you and yours. Go dunk on some more "snipers" and feel superior in your little discord groups that are above everyone else, nobody can take that away from you.

Have a good day :)

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You've convinced me. I'll just join a FRU kill party despite never having been in the instance. I'll be trying my best so I won't be obstructing the 7 other people going for their first kill when I inevitably cause multiple wipes. If they express annoyance at my presence there I will report them for harassment. If they ask me why I think it's appropriate to behave in this way, I will direct them to your posts on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Lonfy

We saw the stream VOD, we know you joined the run on purpose and that you were fully aware that it was Rinon's group again. We also know you're planning to do it again. Stop the weird lying and dramamongering.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2492919274?t=03h13m24s

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Thanks for linking the VOD, wasn't aware there was one.

How does this VOD proves your point ?
OP's POV was at all time on the platform waiting for the right weather, when was there a message saying it was premade and rdms weren't welcome ?
OP even said he checked if your Rinnon-sama was live just in case it was like last week, as to NOT REPEAT the "drama" from last week.
You can hear people talking about taking jobs they've mastered to be usefull and such, how is that toxic or sniping ?
The only toxic behaviour you can see in the VOD is people targeting other with emote to single them out, and people laughing and trolling when someone asks to be revived.

Saying that a group trying to do open content is necessarily a group of sniper is blatantly egocentric.
Get off your high horse.

A Fru kill party is a static group. No one has a right to be in your group. But Forked Tower is more like a roulette. Random plyers are placed in an instance. They aren't equivalent. Not raising in Fork tower is equal to not raising in an alliance raid. There is no "leader" in random placed contents. And everyone got the right to be there. It is not "your" instance. It is everyone's instance.
There are completely different rules between static content and open content. This is open content. It isn't your static. Your people don't own that instance, everyone in it does.
This is the difference between public property and your house. The static is YOUR house, you get to decide who comes and stays and what they do in it. Fork Tower is the public property, you haver no rule over it and every is entitled to if if they have access.
You are making false equivalences.
You do not get to harass and grief someone for coming to the amusement park if its open to the public. You are trying to section of a part of the park and tell others they can't play in it unless they follow your rules. You aren't the owner of the park, you do not get to do that. If people aren't breaking any terms of service, too bad. Nothing requires you to go in there with them. It is your choice to engage in the content with them. But its not your content to control. So get over yourself you entitled elite.

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Originally Posted by Watai

Thanks for linking the VOD, wasn't aware there was one.

How does this VOD proves your point ?
OP's POV was at all time on the platform waiting for the right weather, when was there a message saying it was premade and rdms weren't welcome ?
OP even said he checked if your Rinnon-sama was live just in case it was like last week, as to NOT REPEAT the "drama" from last week.
You can hear people talking about taking jobs they've mastered to be usefull and such, how is that toxic or sniping ?
The only toxic behaviour you can see in the VOD is people targeting other with emote to single them out, and people laughing and trolling when someone asks to be revived.

Saying that a group trying to do open content is necessarily a group of sniper is blatantly egocentric.
Get off your high horse.

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Sir you are in their party and are speaking on your own private discord in the VOD

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

Sir you are in their party and are speaking on your own private discord in the VOD

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How does that answer anything ?

75 pages later this is still going on.

@Yoshi-P if you were going to do a live letter the following question was as important or more important than any other.
* what were your teams intentions for FT. What are they now. Because if it's less than 48 it sounds like others can do join.
* What is your intention? Please get off the fence and say something.

Either you intend premades to 'get along and work properly with independents' (in which case given the privilege they've enjoyed I suggest you ignore if they are going to get but hut over it)
Or do you intend the high-end community to do it their way and it's not for have-a-go casuals, in which case just say so, it's not like casuals aren't used to be being treated that way.

Bruh they really threw in 6 ciphers to intentionally snipe and then played the victim. that's craaazy

/e: also crazy how one page back someone basically proved my point. the people here would interrupt a soccer game in a public park because "it's public". while the amusement park comparison is a bit more extreme, that's what they're saying. no wonder nobody wants to play with these people