With Apologies to Sena Bryer

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Originally Posted by Lizvette

conveniently, you skipped your own interpretation, which was wrong.

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So what part of Wuk Lamat's character do you think he was implying made the game "go woke"?

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...sCmiY/200.webp

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it's spaghett!

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

So what part of Wuk Lamat's character do you think he was implying made the game "go woke"?

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i don't know and genuinely don't care. grummz is a video game grifter, jumping on controversies, his words literally doesn't matter to me.

can you explain what is your point anyway - like, why did you reply to me? since i did acknowledge weird people exist from the beginning?

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Originally Posted by Lizvette

i don't know and genuinely don't care. grummz is a video game grifter, jumping on controversies, his words literally doesn't matter to me.

can you explain what is your point anyway - like, why did you reply to me? since i did acknowledge weird people exist from the beginning?

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Because you said:

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Originally Posted by Lizvette

what i do question, is that it is common / the magnitude of it.

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Grummz has 188k followers on Twitter, and there's currently 3,894 likes on that post. I posted that screenshot to show you it is more common than you think.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

My hope is that they'll save me the time and energy of blacklisting me for calling them transphobes. They'd be doing me a favor lol

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I only wish that blacklisting here would also do it in-game because I don't ever want to have to encounter any of them.* I applaud you for trying to have any type of discussion with them though, even though it'll probably continue to go nowhere. I think the worst of it is seeing them victimize themselves for being called transphobes/transphobic. After all of the physical and mental struggles that trans people have to deal with in their lives, these guys still find a way to make it about themselves, and that's just crazy to me. Instead of trying to understand why they're getting called out for being hateful, they get angry and say things like "respect is earned", "you don't have to agree with my opinion", or they say that the world is full of sensitive people etc. I just don't understand how people this miserable navigate through life or even have friends, especially on this game.

Anyway, I hope you're not letting any of it get to you. Dealing with hate speech like this is just exhausting.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

But honestly at this point it also just makes me sad; it's a sad indictment of how far we as a species have fallen.

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Yeah it's sad.
I was a teen/young adult at the end of the 90's

At that time we were a group friends with a lot of diversity.
For the guy :
- Me with a peculiar name for my country related to a certain part of it with a certain "reputation" (more likely a more or less false stereotype : we are some sort of stuborn grumpy drunkard.)
- One a typical name for my country
- An hyspanic (his parent imigratedfrom Spain before his birth. his was Bisexual)
- a west Indians? (Antillais)
- A metiss (his mother was from Cameroun)
- An Algerian (origin, he was born in my country. he was Muslin)
For the girl :
- a couple of Lesbian
- an Indian
- A tomboy (but damn she had such beautiful face)
- A goth.

We didn't care about skin colors, sexual preference or religion.
We were going into club, rave party.
We did some Gay Pride where eveyrone was welcomed with open arms. Thoses event was filled with fun, warm, kindness. Nobody carred about other sexuall preference... we were just here to celebrate freedom.
We also did march against discrimination.

And we did everything filled with hope for a better tomorow. So that we can all live peacefully as a one big community

25 years laters.... All is see is hate, cummunitarism, minory, identity, insult, rage, aggressivity.... And i wonder : What did we miss, or didn't do for the situation gone so wrong? When it started to turn sour?

And it make me sad, frustrated and angry... It shoudln't be like that, it isn't what we wanted and whished for.... maybe, after all, it was just a big utopia enhanced by the naivety of the youth.
I don't know.... *sigh*

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Originally Posted by Lorika

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Maybe someday we'll get back to that. I'm tired of this too.

We want diversity, but nobody wants to accept disagreement. We want uniqueness, but only within the lines. We want to be equal, but some people want to be more equal than others. It's exhausting.

There's people in this thread who I disagree with, but who've presented their positions politely and calmly, without calling people names. I wish them well, because even if I don't agree with them, we can find common ground in civility.

Then there's the other people. I will refrain from directly commenting on them.

Just hang in there. Sanity'll come back soon enough.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Transwomen and ciswomen have incredibly unique struggles that the other doesn't experience as a whole. I cannot imagine what it's like having to go through lengthy procedures and medication just to feel like myself. Transwomen cannot imagine how it feels spending nearly your entire life (history, really) being reduced to nothing but your ability to bear children and please men... etc etc. Many examples that I will withhold for brevity's sake.

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I'm a cis woman and my girlfriend is a trans woman. I can tell you from my own personal experience that men treat us with the exact same amount of misogyny and don't care that I am a cis woman and she is a trans woman, they don't make that distinction when it comes to misogyny. Our struggles with discrimination are really not as different as you'd think.

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Originally Posted by Donoman

I only wish that blacklisting here would also do it in-game because I don't ever want to have to encounter any of them.* I applaud you for trying to have any type of discussion with them though, even though it'll probably continue to go nowhere. I think the worst of it is seeing them victimize themselves for being called transphobes/transphobic. After all of the physical and mental struggles that trans people have to deal with in their lives, these guys still find a way to make it about themselves, and that's just crazy to me. Instead of trying to understand why they're getting called out for being hateful, they get angry and say things like "respect is earned", "you don't have to agree with my opinion", or they say that the world is full of sensitive people etc. I just don't understand how people this miserable navigate through life or even have friends, especially on this game.

Anyway, I hope you're not letting any of it get to you. Dealing with hate speech like this is just exhausting.

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I'm genuinely just posting here to fill time while I wait in queue, and just dropping info and dispelling misinfo wherever I can lol. But thanks <3 It doesn't bother me, I am used to it.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

There might be a silver lining in all this, and it's that this culture war drama BS will accelerate the rot and maybe speed up FF14's demise. One can dream.

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Cheers, brother

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latine




https://www.teenvogue.com/story/latine-vs-latinx-what-young-people-think

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Funny that you left out the part that said ''Not everyone has been so quick to adopt the term — it’s received substantial backlash from people of Latin descent in the U.S. In a 2020 survey, the Pew Research Center found that “Latinx” is used by just 3% of Latin Americans in the U.S. Some feel it contorts the Spanish language, while others don’t believe in adopting a term that’s fairly difficult to pronounce in Spanish. ''