This is sad.

Sorry, but the community has every right to be upset with this launch and the terrible mismanagement.

I have been through many MMO launches, and yes every one has it's issues. But do this for me, name me one MMO that didn't :

Have a robust functional queuing system. Login congestion and overloaded servers are fine. Making people wait 4 hours in queue to get in is fine. Giving them a generic message that says, "try again later" with no idea of when later might be is, is unacceptable

Have servers ready to go at launch if additional worlds were needed to be brought online. Full servers and trouble making characters was to be expected for sure. Not having a single world available for days on which to make a character on after you purchased the game is unacceptable.

4 hours? longest ive waited is 10mins. oh no im gonna melt away... i highly highly highly doublt anyone waited longer then 30mins, which yes is a long time..but so be it. deal with it nerds, your lvl 37 get off the game and to go bed already

I had to try for 3 and a half hours to get logged in earlier today, tyvm. My friends who were very excited about this game, still have not been able to create a character on ANY world, let alone the one we chose.

OP, please don't group a few forum trolls to everyone in NA/EU. That is extremely narrow-sighted and quite offensive. You are no better than the people you are attempting to slander. Completely shameful.

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Originally Posted by darkliquid90

way way way to many whiney babies... calm the heck down and realise they are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for you greedy nerds just to play a few days early. show some respect, wait a whole 3 hours for maintenance, go wash yourself for once cuz god knows most of you havent gotton off your damn chairs for atleast 48 hours.. get laid..do something except sit here and bicker about something that you have no controll over. fat greasy nerds.

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Sorry but the game came out yesterday and now you are calling people babies when there are many that just started trying to play on release(yesterday) and have yet to be able to play. Lets take my friend for example who cannot join our server, let alone make a character on any na/eu servers as it gives him the error the world is full. So its just fine that he cannot play a game that he just got?

For those that got early access, many bought the game early just for that early access alone. It is still a purchase and so they have every right to complain as well. As I said in my statement before, take the same problem with the game and apply it to any real world objects and you will get the majority of the world to become angry at any company that sells them something that doesn't work correctly. What would you do if part of your pizza you ordered wouldn't arrive? Or how about a slice taken out when you receive it? They then compensate you with another pizza that is half eaten. Sorry but why should a game not suffer the same consequence as any real world problem when a product isn't delivered as intended?

Now I will say that I enjoy the time I have played so far, but I do get frustrated like any normal person with the problems that could have been avoided had they taken the correct steps to resolve before release. This game is suppose to be a form of entertainment and not a form of stress that it has caused many.

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Originally Posted by Terius

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Aye and like has been said angry people can get emotional and say stupid things. I like what this thread was attempting to do but it saddens me that it fails before hitting page two with people falling back on good old fashion bigotry and the new "lets blame the americans" routine.

I would have though in this day and age people would have started to understand ignorance is the biggest issues that divide us yet we have the idea that "English" means American like the language didn't exist pre colonization.

Bad behavior is not limited to "America" if you need some kind of proof of this just turn on your TV and watch any news broadcasts about current world events. Sadly hate, bigotry etc etc has no borders and discriminates against no one regardless of where they live or were born, when will we learn to do the same?

Every time I read a thread like this I seem to lose a little more faith in humankind...

Seriously this thread should be locked.

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Although i may simpathyze with part of this, part of the problem is that the gmng industry release the lowest quality prods in the world.

Any company in any other industry that releases a prod as faulty as the gaming industry releases these days would go broke, instantly. This isnt a SE only issue, since in comparison to others the game is not that buggy, but an ind problem. The qty standards this industry admits are seriously too low.

Now i am a system eng, i know there is no chance to make a soft this big without bugs, but i also know that with more time and resources most of the games released in the last 10 years of the industry would have launched with 90% less probs.

Whether it is bc they want to cut cost to earn more money, or because the gamers pressure for early launchs, the gmng industry is in a qty crisis that will have to be adressed.

This course cant be carried on, companies will have to start making better qty products.

Thanks for making a thread about this, and I'm glad it's received so much attention.

I've pretty much felt the same way as OP my entire time on the forums, but I tried not to get involved as I know there's no pleasing someone who's determined to be dissatisfied.
Just like there's no reasoning with someone who's determined not to reason.

I'm happy to see the server issues easing up and more people enjoying a stable environment within which to play.

Yoshi-P and his team, and Square Enix altogether have made a massive effort in recreating this game and as someone who dropped 1.0 within the first 2 weeks with how bad it was... ARR feels like a masterpiece.

Yeah, there have been a few hiccups with the release because of the completely unprecedented amount of people to show interest in the game; but that is already being eased over and will likely be optimized within the coming week or 2.


I guess patience is a virtue people don't care for these days.


Edit: before someone brings up my contradicting signature, that is there in 100% good humor.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

So you haven't been able to play since today?

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No I havent been able to play from the 24th up to this day and they have ignored my emails regarding this issue. They told me: "We can't assist you directly please try again later"...

i'm with Yoshi, now and forever! i love this game and i love the work that Yoshi and the devs did and will do. Who doesnt understand the work that they did, can easily doing others thing.

Deifying Yoshi-P and the developers as if they were the second coming of Jesus Fucking Christ? When I purchased this game, I didn't realize I was supposed to be joining a cult. Tell me, when are we all supposed to start drinking the Kool-Aid and dropping dead in our secret compound in the Texas desert?

I tried logging in on my rare day off this morning at 7:30am EST. That's 4:30am PST. On a Thursday. And I got the 1017 "world is full, try again later" error. I haven't been able to pass beyond the character select screen since Sunday morning.

Don't sit here and try to tell me that my anger is misplaced and that we "made poor Yoshi-P cry". Don't try to tell me to "go do something else" with my time. I paid as much as you did for a service they're not providing me and tens of thousands of players like me.

Anyone who says this has been anything short of a disastrous launch is either blind, ignorant, or both.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

I couldn't play wow for like the whole first month in between the constant maintenance and crashes. when I did managed to get in, I\\\\'d get stuck in the looting animation. Content bugs everywhere. At least in this game when you managed to get in, the game actually worked. I\\\\'m sick and tired of people here crying about an mmo launch not working 100 percent. Seriously, go cry somehow else.

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Originally Posted by Teta

I couldn't play wow for like the whole first month in between the constant maintenance and crashes. when I did managed to get in, I\\\\'d get stuck in the looting animation. Content bugs everywhere. At least in this game when you managed to get in, the game actually worked. I\\\\'m sick and tired of people here crying about an mmo launch not working 100 percent. Seriously, go cry somehow else.

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No offense to you... but seriously, what the fuck does your WoW experience have to do with me paying for a product that doesn't work more often than it does?
I personally don't care if Blizzard came to your house to paddle you daily. A company screwing you in 2004 has nothing to do with SE providing bad service to paying customers now.
I swear, Blizzard (and FFXI as well) set the bar so low that people are ecstatic when they come across mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

No offense to you... but seriously, what the fuck does your WoW experience have to do with me paying for a product that doesn't work more often than it does?
I personally don't care if Blizzard came to your house to paddle you daily. A company screwing you in 2004 has nothing to do with SE providing bad service to paying customers now.
I swear, Blizzard (and FFXI as well) set the bar so low that people are ecstatic when they come across mediocrity.

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Your whining is mediocre, i'm sure you can do better then that.

Launch problems happens in every single mmo in recent memory, wow is just one example. they will continue to happen years down the line, to other games, by other companies, to other players, your kids, and their kids. It's a fact of life of how server technology works. It makes no sense to buy more servers than anticipated because population always drops after first month, what are they going to do with all the extra servers?

People say "OMG white knights" in a forum that requires an account from the business they claim to dislike so much, who makes the game that they are too unhappy with to actually say something positive about, so much that they gotta call anyone who does, a "white knight".

I see this through my own eyes and personal experience though. I don't patronize businesses I dislike, don't buy their products. I'm not posting in the Blizzard forums right now. You know why? Because I don't play their MMO.

The fact that I'm here is an indication of how much I love this company & its games. Keep up the good work Yoshi! I'm truly impressed, even after spending all that time in beta I'm still surprised enough to be utterly blown away by the depth of this game, shocked by every single little detail put into so much of it. I keep stumbling across subtle things that make me realize just how much dedication the devs put into it.

I will continue to subscribe as long as I am able to!

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I sorry, Yoshi. I sorry. ;.;

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Originally Posted by Teta

Launch problems happens in every single mmo in recent memory, wow is just one example. they will continue to happen years down the line, to other games, by other companies, to other players, your kids, and their kids. It's a fact of life of how server technology works. It makes no sense to buy more servers than anticipated because population always drops after first month, what are they going to do with all the extra servers?

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I guess that makes it alright.
As long as this is people's attitude then yes, they will continue to happen.
Do they have to happen? Are they inevitable? NO. Absolutely not
Should they continuously happen in MMO after MMO as if each one is the first MMO in existence? I think we both know the answer to that

We've got to stop doing this.
Every time SE does the players wrong, we excuse it by citing examples of other companies doing players worse. That is not an excuse.

But just for you, I'll say "Thank you SE for not letting the servers crash and stay down for a month, oh mighty, reverent Devs... blessed art thou that patcheth us unto more errors"

I think the OP's post only adds / compounds the negativity in which they decry. Sadly, a 'shame on you' does not in any way elevate the conversation.
I think once communication was clearly made regarding new servers, most of the hubbub died down. That was the majority of the anger, the misunderstanding that Japan was getting new servers, but not NA/EU.

Don't play mmos at launch if you can't handle problems. Stop asking for unrealistic things, not everything is fixable just because you want it to. Vote with your wallet.

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Originally Posted by Teta

Don't play mmos at launch if you can't handle problems. Stop asking for unrealistic things, not everything is fixable just because you want it to. Vote with your wallet.

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It's not unrealistic if they go about server testing properly. A lot of companies often do stress test betas, the problem is almost no company does enough of that to properly learn how their server infrastructure scales. They need to find the effects of adding servers to each cluster; how much capacity grows, where diminishing returns kicks in, etc. That kind of thing can't be learned over just one weekend, and that's why most MMOs have server problems, because they find out the hard way that their single short stress test wasn't enough.

Praise the twelve for this thread.

Seriously. Its so disappointing and even upsetting at time to see how malicious this community has come even just since Phase 4. Frustrations are bound to happen when a game launches. Almost no MMO launches smoothly. Its disturbing to see how many NA/EU players feel entitled to rewards for doing their job as a player and working through game issues as a dedicated player. Guess what, you get to play the game. This amazing MMO. THAT is your reward. No one is entitled to special treatment because they suffered a bit of downtime in the game. Boo hoo. Get over it and start supporting the devs like the rest of us. D: They really need some rest. ; ; Poor Yoshida.

What do you gain for making threads like this? Do you work for SE? Have they been so good to you that you decided to take time off your work/family/leisure time to write a 1,000-word essay about how amazing, great, and cool an individual that you have never met, will most likely never meet in your entire life, and who doesn't even know you exist actually happen to be?

What moral authority do you think you have to come here on public forums yelling and basically insulting those (what you said was a long-winded insult with tons of words; it's just difficult to discern) who share a different opinion of you, not even about the game (that's the creepy part), but about Yoshi-p in particular.

You may think that by being a proud White Knight you're doing a favor to this game but people with totalitarian tendencies such as yourself would ban half the forum if they were given the chance to. If you want a community where only positive criticism is allowed with giving the illusion that of also partaking in critical criticism about certain aspects of the game (one thread every 3 months talking about superficial gripes about the game... I know your type) then create your own website instead of using a public forum to perform free propaganda for a guy who certainly doesn't need any right now.

This is sad.

Our only job as players is to play the game, and a lot of people can't do that. Our job as consumers is to hold companies accountable for their missteps. Their job as a company is to ensure they release a working product, and server capacity/bandwidth is a key role in that.

People are often too hyperbolic/vitriolic but the bottom line is that server issues count against the game because it directly prevents a paid product from working. "B-but it happens to other MMO launches!" isn't an excuse, it's a cop-out. We as consumers should't be playing Defense Force and act as apologists for a company's mistakes. The Squenix infrastructure team had months of squandered opportunity to study the server impact of increasing numbers of players, but they very obviously didn't. This isn't some slight against Yoshi-P or his team, because they did a great job and it's a shame that it's being hurt so badly by these server issues. But the harsh reality is that it's all part of the same product.

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Originally Posted by Teta

I couldn't play wow for like the whole first month in between the constant maintenance and crashes. when I did managed to get in, I\\\\'d get stuck in the looting animation. Content bugs everywhere. At least in this game when you managed to get in, the game actually worked. I\\\\'m sick and tired of people here crying about an mmo launch not working 100 percent. Seriously, go cry somehow else.

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You are seriously comparing this launch with a launch made 9 years ago?

Yes, this is not the worst launch in the history of gaming, that doesnt make this a good launch either.

The problem is that this launch is having problems because the company was greedy and didnt have enough hardware, not because of unexpected bugs.

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Originally Posted by Teta

It makes no sense to buy more servers than anticipated because population always drops after first month, what are they going to do with all the extra servers?

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This is wrong, it does makes sense, its called having respect for your playerbase. With the remainng servers you could leave them as backup servers, or you could use them in your next online game launch, or you could sell them used to another company.

What makes no sense is setting up less servers than what you need, knowing your playerbase will have problems at launch, just because you will earn more money because some of them will ineviotably leave.

@OP I see you edited out how "you thought the NA/EU players/community do not deserve the right to play the game" EPIC....

for a minute there i thought you were GOD with the ability to giveth and taketh away

Until people start holding companies accountable for bad mmo launches, we are going to continue to have bad mmo launches. Thats just the plain truth.

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Originally Posted by roflcaust

yelling and basically insulting those
This is sad.

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Uh...i'm sure ther reason the thread was created was because of the yelling and insults thrown by all the drama kings and queens, selective reading i see....soooooo sadddddd. I can assure you not many of them are critical criticism if you actually take off those calling everyone white knights glasses that you have.

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Originally Posted by Seregil

...I tried logging in on my rare day off this morning at 7:30am EST. That\\'s 4:30am PST. On a Thursday. And I got the 1017 "world is full, try again later" error. I haven\\'t been able to pass beyond the character select screen since Sunday morning.

Don\\'t sit here and try to tell me that my anger is misplaced and that we "made poor Yoshi-P cry". Don\\'t try to tell me to "go do something else" with my time. I paid as much as you did for a service they\\'re not providing me and tens of thousands of players like me.

Anyone who says this has been anything short of a disastrous launch is either blind, ignorant, or both.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

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Your anger is so misplaced it\\'s in another county. Anyone who says otherwise is either blind, ignorant, or both.

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Originally Posted by gouki

If i would not get banned for it, this would be the part where i would heavily insult every Whiteknight, SquareEnix employee, Yoshi-P, and their families.

I wish there was a video of Yoshi being insulted in the worst way by some frustrated player - with Yoshi tearing up badly.

But i only have this, where he is kind of crying because of relief and joy. But it will have to do.

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Originally Posted by gouki

Fu**ing White Knights.

Thinking you will be rewarded for kissing SE's behinds.

Naive fools, all you lot.

If you fuck up you deserve the hate.

And this is no case of false entitlement. If you are promised something and pay for it - you are entitled to it.

If i would not get banned for it, this would be the part where i would heavily insult every Whiteknight, SquareEnix employee, Yoshi-P, and their families.

I wish there was a video of Yoshi being insulted in the worst way by some frustrated player - with Yoshi tearing up badly.

But i only have this, where he is kind of crying because of relief and joy. But it will have to do.

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yea, I think SE is seriously messing up and the white knights are defending them like mindless children... but WOW... you are ANGRY.
My sentiments cap at annoyed and frustrated... but pure unadulterated anger? Even I think you should probably calm down

Honestly, I don't feel sorry for SE. Obviously I don't like seeing people cry but I have no sympathy for this company. A lot of people are sitting here, defending them. But get this - This is their SECOND (2) attempt at launching this game. And their THIRD (3) MMO release as a company. They know better than to have these server issues. They know how many people pre-ordered this game before the EA started. They didn't take a pro-active response to the problem. They waited for it to be a problem (reactive) before they attempted to resolve it. The problem with reactive response is there is already a problem and people aren't happy. Any good company, especially one taking a THIRD (3) shot at an MMO would know this. I don't have sympathy.

Someone bumped this thread just to insult the crying guy... This is sad.

Many English speakers are a cancer.

No, what is sad is being treated like crap by SE. I can't even make a new post to this community, because they don't want to hear what the users really want to say.

What is sad is that they hired morons to run the NA/EU servers who couldn't figure out how to deal with the load that they KNEW they were going to get.

What is sad is people like you who make excuses for people who can't do their job and shouldn't have their job in the first place.

What is sad is that when I try to play a game I paid in advance for, thus telling SE just how many people to expect, that they can't supply me with what I paid for. It is sad that the one time I got in this weekend I had to get up at 5AM to log in, so I could come back later at 10 and actually play the game.

So stop making excuses for people who can't do their jobs, and lets start demanding that they hire people who can do those jobs.

I love the game it`s awesome i love it.
thank you Yoshi-P and his team for this great game>
take your time to fix the problem and make her better then before