Shiva model!

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

Thal's Balls! These forums are hot enough to melt an ice goddess.

I suppose some of that might be due to slight lack of info in my latest Developers' Blog post. (Looks around... Crickets chirp...) Okay, I suppose most of that might be due to a slight lack of info in my latest Developers' Blog post.

So, I just wanted to pop in to clear things up.

The ZBrush models you see are a Work In Progress. The colors you see are mostly for aesthetic purposes so the designer's eyes don't bleed after staring at a grey blob all day, and the final textures will more than likely end up being a lot similar to what is shown in the original concept art. YAY!

Even with that said, works in progress are just that, and as the work progresses, Yoshi-P may have an epiphany and decide to give her a second head, convert one of her legs into a machine gun, and rename her Jezebel (hopefully not, though... At least the second head part...)

Either way, I apologize again for the confusion, and in future Dev Blog posts, we'll make sure that works in progress are properly tagged and branded.

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For those of you not familiar with ZBrush, a few users such as Hulan, Zantetsuken, Imoen, and Gramul have already posted (in this very thread!) some basic info on the program, and what it's used for.

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"THEY MENTIONED MY NAME THEY MENTIONED MY NAME!" lol J/k thanks for the official response, Take care back to work myself :)

*And thanks for the Zbrush images really cool to see it :D

I like to bake.

As I've been glossing over these forums in the past few weeks, I find myself ever more fervently wishing that I could bake pies, cookies, cakes and cupcakes for the dev team.

*sigh*

Ferne is lying, the rendered model must be closer to final product, Im always right and everyone else is wrong

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Originally Posted by Imoen

"THEY MENTIONED MY NAME THEY MENTIONED MY NAME!" lol J/k thanks for the official response, Take care back to work myself :)

*And thanks for the Zbrush images really cool to see it :D

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I KNOW RIGHT! I mean, quite, it's a good thing we got an official response... *cough*

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

Even with that said, works in progress are just that, and as the work progresses, Yoshi-P may have an epiphany and decide to give her a second head, convert one of her legs into a machine gun, and rename her Jezebel (hopefully not, though... At least the second head part...)

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I love this guy. No homo.

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

Thal's Balls! These forums are hot enough to melt an ice goddess.

I suppose some of that might be due to slight lack of info in my latest Developers' Blog post. (Looks around... Crickets chirp...) Okay, I suppose most of that might be due to a slight lack of info in my latest Developers' Blog post.

So, I just wanted to pop in to clear things up.

The ZBrush models you see are a Work In Progress. The colors you see are mostly for aesthetic purposes so the designer's eyes don't bleed after staring at a grey blob all day, and the final textures will more than likely end up being a lot similar to what is shown in the original concept art. YAY!

Even with that said, works in progress are just that, and as the work progresses, Yoshi-P may have an epiphany and decide to give her a second head, convert one of her legs into a machine gun, and rename her Jezebel (hopefully not, though... At least the second head part...)

Either way, I apologize again for the confusion, and in future Dev Blog posts, we'll make sure that works in progress are properly tagged and branded.

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For those of you not familiar with ZBrush, a few users such as Hulan, Zantetsuken, Imoen, and Gramul have already posted (in this very thread!) some basic info on the program, and what it's used for.

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I can't believe Ferny had to come out and re-clarify this...some people in this forum could make Gandhi flip a table in rage..Elexia keeps spouting BS left and right i'm holding my right hand atm to not type what i really want to. Pulling TERA and WoW into this is stupid as it gets....not a single god damn primal looks identical from one game to another and not a single primal has different color in-game than what they do in the Artwork...the only in-game thing that doesn't have artwork colors is the BLM AF but that's irrelevant ,This Shiva looks AMAZING!!

Fernehalwes

You are my hero.

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

Thal's Balls! These forums are hot enough to melt an ice goddess.

I suppose some of that might be due to slight lack of info in my latest Developers' Blog post. (Looks around... Crickets chirp...) Okay, I suppose most of that might be due to a slight lack of info in my latest Developers' Blog post.

So, I just wanted to pop in to clear things up.

The ZBrush models you see are a Work In Progress. The colors you see are mostly for aesthetic purposes so the designer's eyes don't bleed after staring at a grey blob all day, and the final textures will more than likely end up being a lot similar to what is shown in the original concept art. YAY!

Even with that said, works in progress are just that, and as the work progresses, Yoshi-P may have an epiphany and decide to give her a second head, convert one of her legs into a machine gun, and rename her Jezebel (hopefully not, though... At least the second head part...)

Either way, I apologize again for the confusion, and in future Dev Blog posts, we'll make sure that works in progress are properly tagged and branded.

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For those of you not familiar with ZBrush, a few users such as Hulan, Zantetsuken, Imoen, and Gramul have already posted (in this very thread!) some basic info on the program, and what it's used for.

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She looks good! Maybe they need to change her skin color look more blue?

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

I beginning to wonder if you have read Fernehalwes post yet.... .

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Nope, I had not. I work two jobs, and I just got home for the evening. Got 5 pages in and agreed with others who expressed their opinion that the coloring on the render was way off. But reading Ferne's post was a big relief (and I made an edit to my post to acknowledge that).

For those with snarky comments about how it should be obvious to the people who posted those opinions that the coloring won't be the same as the finished product... might I remind you of a phrase that bit us in the arse in the summer of 2010. "It's only beta."

I never assume with SE that something is not presented as intended unless it's made abundantly clear.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I can't believe Ferny had to come out and re-clarify this...some people in this forum could make Gandhi flip a table in rage..Elexia keeps spouting BS left and right i'm holding my right hand atm to not type what i really want to. Pulling TERA and WoW into this is stupid as it gets....not a single god damn primal looks identical from one game to another and not a single primal has different color in-game than what they do in the Artwork...the only in-game thing that doesn't have artwork colors id the BLM AF but that's irrelevant ,This Shiva looks AMAZING!!

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Anything else, whatever. But when it looks like they're gonna start deviating from conventions like a blue Shiva, I start to question the devs' frequently mentioned goal of fan service. That being said, I'm excited for how she looks now that I know those colors aren't final. I'm also curious if there will be some NPC comment on the emergence of the more humanoid Primals. Garuda was a start, but Shiva, Ramuh, and Odin aren't animal-like in the least.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I hate to be negative, but I'm not happy with how the rendering came out. I like the concept art, but the render just doesn't look right. Way too much pink in her clothing, skin is too peachy (it should be pale or bluish), and her hair is so dark gray it's overpowering the blue highlights. I didn't even recognize who this was supposed to be until I started reading further into the post. To a long-time Final Fantasy fan, Shiva should be instantly recognizable.

The concept art is great, though, IMO. Hope the final product looks more like it.

Edit: Just read Ferne's update. Glad to know the colors are just a placeholder!

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It's pretty obvious when you look at the concept art
I feel sorry for Fernehalwes for having to clear up something so obvious

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Originally Posted by Zehira

She looks good! Maybe they need to change her skin color look more blue?

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Concept art not blue enough?

http://download.ultradownloads.com.b..._1280x1024.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ricky

It's pretty obvious when you look at the concept art
I feel sorry for Fernehalwes for having to clear up something so obvious

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Just like how it was obvious in 1.0 beta that it was only a beta and that everything would change before release? We see how that turned out.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Just like how it was obvious in 1.0 beta that it was only a beta and that everything would change before release? We see how that turned out.

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Exactly. There was too much room for doubt. Maybe the forums as a whole overreacted, myself included, but I still think Fern's confirmation was needed to put minds at ease.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

It's pretty obvious when you look at the concept art
I feel sorry for Fernehalwes for having to clear up something so obvious

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Look at zone concept art and then look at the zones in FFXIV... nothing alike (at least in 1.0) lol

Its not obvious, specially when you have no idea what that software was. I know the basics and to me it having color meant that it was nearing final completion.

That said some people filled everyone in on what that software was - and why the colors are not the final/real colors, even made us cute pictures :D.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Just like how it was obvious in 1.0 beta that it was only a beta and that everything would change before release? We see how that turned out.

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Please state which promise Yoshi-P and team did not deliver/turned out completely different during his reign in 1.0

seriously.. using old dev team mistakes to criticize new team development...its getting old and boring now, cant you stop it?

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Originally Posted by Aion

Please state which promise Yoshi-P and team did not deliver/turned out completely different during his reign in 1.0

seriously.. using old dev team mistakes to criticize new team development...its getting old and boring now, cant you stop it?

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There are those of us who aren't happy with EVERY choice Yoshi-P and friends have made. I think he's the best director they could have picked, but I'm still wondering why he decided to ditch 1.23b's wonderful battle system in favor of Global Cooldowns. I know it's not a matter of copy/paste, but it could not have been hard to replicate. We'll just have to see in beta and the final product.

To be honest this thread is still much better than the Grass thread. Let's all stop arguing over whether or not we were right to question the Shiva images and start giving feedback on Shiva herself. It's a beautiful and detailed model and I can't wait to see her intro cutscene.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

She looks good! Maybe they need to change her skin color look more blue?

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Really? Really now? Even though you quoted his post?

Damn, maybe they should've just shown the whole thing in the default red clay color.

I'll save my opinion about this one until I see the model complete with textures and such. As it is, it doesn't even have them. It's just "solid" colors here and there, probably to differentiate certain parts of the model.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

"It's only beta."

I never assume with SE that something is not presented as intended unless it's made abundantly clear.

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As seen many will defend SE and everything they do to the death, so don't be surprised to see this phrase pop up many times again then wonder what happened when the game launches and we have a repeat in some ways of 1.0's launch.

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

There are those of us who aren't happy with EVERY choice Yoshi-P and friends have made. I think he's the best director they could have picked, but I'm still wondering why he decided to ditch 1.23b's wonderful battle system in favor of Global Cooldowns. I know it's not a matter of copy/paste, but it could not have been hard to replicate. We'll just have to see in beta and the final product.

To be honest this thread is still much better than the Grass thread. Let's all stop arguing over whether or not we were right to question the Shiva images and start giving feedback on Shiva herself. It's a beautiful and detailed model and I can't wait to see her intro cutscene.

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What is yoshi-p choose is different matter, what I asked is, did he ever say something and failed to deliver it? or it become completely different? Im tired of this "look what happen at 1.0 beta" stuff. Yoshi-P and team give their best, they are hardworking people and listen to players feedback. Even if what they think of what is the best , is not same with ours, at least they usually (or maybe almost always) deliver their promises. Its kinda retard to scrutinize them for everything, even for an obvious Work-In-Progress!!

Fernehalwes as always you win the internets hehe :D

Also..how come when Fernehalwes posts it does not count as a dev post on the dev tracker? o.o

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Originally Posted by Elexia

As seen many will defend SE and everything they do to the death, so don't be surprised to see this phrase pop up many times again then wonder what happened when the game launches and we have a repeat in some ways of 1.0's launch.

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Oh just STFU already...if it was anything like you keep saying even when evidence of the contrary is adamant, so many people wouldn't be raging over not been legacy members...people have figured out the game IS GOOD and is nowhere near a clone of nothing. You simply can't be taken seriously when you insist in comparing Yoshida's process to tanaka's in 1.0 they are not alike in the slightest

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Oh just STFU already...if it was anything like you keep saying even when evidence of the contrary is adamant, so many people wouldn't be raging over not been legacy members...people have figured out the game IS GOOD and is nowhere near a clone of nothing. You simply can't be taken seriously when you insist in comparing Yoshida's process to tanaka's in 1.0 they are not alike in the slightest

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To be fair, you and your white knighting are just about as annoying, if not more.

At least her more realistic (or rather pessimistic) attitude is somewhat understandable and easier to agree with at times. Especially considering the position of this genre of games atm, and the direction in which all of them seem to be going.

Keeping your expectations lower and being a little more realistic is definitely much healthier in the long run than exalting anything and everything SE does. Less chances you'll be disappointed later on and such, you know?

Seriously, just put Elexia on Ignore. You'll be far happier. She isn't interested in real discussion. She is either trolling out of boredom, or so wrapped up in some bizarre world of hyperbole that rational discourse just isn't possible. Either way, the best response is to 'Ignore.'

I don't know I like the new Shiva model. She was always one of my favorite summons. Here she looks great. I'm sure they're not done yet but it looks great so far :)

Oh noes another rep post to clear up peoples reading comprehension...

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Seriously, just put Elexia on Ignore. You'll be far happier. She isn't interested in real discussion. She is either trolling out of boredom, or so wrapped up in some bizarre world of hyperbole that rational discourse just isn't possible. Either way, the best response is to 'Ignore.'

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Pessimistic as Elexia often is, he/she often has input about the game that is fairly accurate. Realistically speaking, they've let us down with this game so we have good reason to be fairly critical of what is being created for us as a means to make up for the past letdowns. At the very least, I don't think it's trolling but some kind of harsh criticism (deserved or not) towards SE.

Anywho, I'm glad the Shiva related issue got cleared up...though I myself thought from the start that what Fernehalwes said was pretty evident without clarification.

I get the whole we have been let down before.... but that was the old team.... The new team hasn't let us down yet, with anything in my opinion. So I don't really understand where the negativity is coming from.

I honestly can NOT believe that this had to be clarified. Some of you guys need to take your ff goggles off and explore something new.

I suggest Zbrush.

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Originally Posted by RisaCooper

I get the whole we have been let down before.... but that was the old team.... The new team hasn't let us down yet, with anything in my opinion. So I don't really understand where the negativity is coming from.

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Well, some of the decisions they've taken have been a bit of a let down for some of us. If they haven't been for you, well, good for you, but keep in mind that there will always be differing points of view to everything.

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Originally Posted by Klefth

Well, some of the decisions they've taken have been a bit of a let down for some of us. If they haven't been for you, well, good for you, but keep in mind that there will always be differing points of view to everything.

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I am actually incredibly curious about this... I really want to know what they have let you down on. Because I really don't understand what they could have let you down on. I'm not saying this to say that your wrong or anything. I just haven't been let down at all and I want to see your side of it. Right now I'm just confused.

I have expressed everything I haven't liked from the changes they've made in a lot of my previous posts. Things like the changes to the combat system in favor of a stagnant standard, the switch to quest oriented leveling, again in favor of said standard, the watered down animations... not sure if there's anything else that escapes my mind atm.

Oh yeah, the change to the movement controls which caters exclusively to mouse and keyboard PC gamers (uncomfortable as hell and inconvenient with a gamepad; wish it was just an option), GCD, Hmm... what else was there?

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

(hopefully not, though... At least the second head part...)

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I find this kinda ironic considering her name stems from Hinduism. I wonder how a 4 armed FF Shiva would look.
Kinky.

Klive. Your sig is phenomenal. Keep up the good work.

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Originally Posted by Klefth

I have expressed everything I haven't liked from the changes they've made in a lot of my previous posts. Things like the changes to the combat system in favor of a stagnant standard, the switch to quest oriented leveling, again in favor of said standard, the watered down animations... not sure if there's anything else that escapes my mind atm.

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Ah. Alright. Thx ^_^
Though I'm pretty sure a lot of the 'watered down' animations are just placeholders. Though I could be wrong. We shall see in Beta. Plus we don't even know if they are keeping everything from alpha. I didn't love everything from alpha, and I do hope they change some things. That's actually one of the reasons I'm so excited for beta, so I can see what changes they have made and what they haven't. ^_^

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Originally Posted by RisaCooper

I am actually incredibly curious about this... I really want to know what they have let you down on. Because I really don't understand what they could have let you down on. I'm not saying this to say that your wrong or anything. I just haven't been let down at all and I want to see your side of it. Right now I'm just confused.

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Mage Spell Sets

Removal of CC spells

Imposition of CC effect on Weaponskills

Quest Based Leveling

All Dungeons are Instanced

Ridiculously low Drop Rates

Removal of Position based combos

Archer Auto Attack

Instant Transportation

All Medicine Sharing a Single Timer

Failure to address Power leveling

Paladins having lower health and defense than Warriors

Just to name a few.

I really don't like to think about it all the little things that I personally think are bad design choices. None of these are game breaker and I understand some people agreed with the decisions, but all the little things do add up. It makes you more concerned about future decisions.

I don't care how "obvious" things are to other people. I will not stay quite if SE even hints at something I don't like. Maybe people will agree with me, maybe they won't. Maybe SE is ignoring everything I say, but I'm not going to boot up ARR knowing that I didn't speak my mind on every potential issue that comes up.

And just to finish it off, earlier I wanted to display how shaders and materials can affect color in the program, and now that I'm home I may as well show it.
http://i4.minus.com/jbmipyldYQCyGM.jpg

Really though, it's fascinating to see how Square's digital sculptors do things.

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Originally Posted by RisaCooper

Ah. Alright. Thx ^_^
Though I'm pretty sure a lot of the 'watered down' animations are just placeholders. Though I could be wrong. We shall see in Beta. Plus we don't even know if they are keeping everything from alpha. I didn't love everything from alpha, and I do hope they change some things. That's actually one of the reasons I'm so excited for beta, so I can see what changes they have made and what they haven't. ^_^

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Well we do know that animation blending will be present in beta (maybe a later stage of beta not right away).

That should be help make everything look better.

I think we are all excited for beta - just some think differently then others. Like "I dont like the way that looks" "Its not official" "how do you know" "Because I feel so"* "..." lol.

*In this case people had better arguments then "I feel" but the obviousness of those arguments is only obvious once shown, so in that case it wasn't obvious. "Thats a beautiful Fourier Series", may be obvious but only to those with knowledge of such.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

The images are of a a high-res normal-map sculpt.

The colors you see will not be used for her in-game model.

Once the game model is finished, and it it has been given the real-time shaders (including colors/effects), it will look almost exactly like the concept art.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

You are not strong enough to put a halt to this circular conversation.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

At least I can say "I told you so" ;)

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

So, I just wanted to pop in to clear things up.

The ZBrush models you see are a Work In Progress. The colors you see are mostly for aesthetic purposes so the designer's eyes don't bleed after staring at a grey blob all day, and the final textures will more than likely end up being a lot similar to what is shown in the original concept art.

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For those of you not familiar with ZBrush, a few users such as Hulan, Zantetsuken, Imoen, and Gramul have already posted (in this very thread!) some basic info on the program, and what it's used for.

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So yeah... I told you so.



BTW, what about that High Res concept art??? Pretty Please 八(＾□＾*)

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

So yeah... I told you so.



BTW, what about that High Res concept art??? Pretty Please 八(＾□＾*)

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http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1358866123
From my collection
Edit: Just when i thought Siren was going to be the Sexiest Primal chick BAM! Shiva comes along....how can someone so cold be so Hot at the same time :D
Siren
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps135e8d52.jpg

That's not high-res, that's just Image Size > Make Bigger. A real high-res shot would be nice.

Something with more megapickles.