Realm Reborn = downgrade?

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Originally Posted by Volfield

I'm being hopeful.

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Being hopeful while being determined that what we've seen is the worst possible scenario? Contradictory much?

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Requisite Research
Thread has slowly turned into a divided community based on actions of concern, pride, defence, malice, ignorance, and unfortunately, rage. Based on topic of discussion, major cause of such comments is believed to have stemmed from the visuals of gameplay and live footage of various events.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Introduction
The concern of the graphical grade of the visuals have resulted in a at the same time, fierce, entertaining, unwanted and rude argument between various factions of the community. There are legitimate concerns, and yet, there is also the ignorance of such concerns and the ultimate consequence they will have on the game. There is also malice and malevolence of several accusations towards the developers for their apparent lack of detail, promises, and twisting of various information to manipulate opinions and further arguments.

Materials

• Thread
• Personnel
• Opinions

Hypothesis
There will be a significant amount of ignorance or blind attitude between the two warring factions. Middle ground faction capable of discussing the topic without feeling the need for hyperbolic representations or saturated negativity have grown tired of the two warring factions, and thus proceed to use irritated mannerisms to approach the topic of discussion.

Development
There shall be names assigned to the three main factions displayed within this topic. Those who attack blindly/with malice, shall be named the Accusation Alliance. Those who defend blindly/with ignorance, shall be named the Defence Brigade. Those who wish for discussion and answers, shall be named the Irritated Entourage. Please refer to the abbreviations as shown via capital letters.

We shall first examine the general opinions before going into specifics the details of each faction.

There is the opening; concern on the animation quality of the game. This is by all means a perfectly acceptable concern - it provides a critical analysis of the visuals and information supplied to us via official sources and other areas of acclaimed presence.

There is nothing wrong with voicing legitimate concerns especially if it will aid in the further development of our much cherished game. Voicing our displeasure for certain elements before they are finalised will ensure that the enjoyment of the final product is reached. Critical criticism should be taken note of, and improved by, the development team; it is thus their duty to listen and pay attention to these small objects of concern.

To counteract the above opinion - the timing of such a concern. We are seeing pre-Alpha footage; finalisation has not begun, succinct and well-fleshed details have not been provided; the game in any form has not been playable by any member of the public as of now.

Change will occur. The game is not finalised, and it is still in its very early form of finalisation - many changes will occur with or without our input. The timing is not right - until the development of the game has reached a stage where such a concern will be legitimate in its undertaking, the concern should merely be a comment by which to track the development process of the game through it's next few finalisation phases.

The IE faction recognises the above, and is able to employ a lively discussion without resorting to the poor communication skills utilised by the other two factions. Unfortunately, those two contributing factions have soured the mood of IE, and thus, they have upheld a far more irritated mannerisms and attitude as the topic continues.

The AA faction seems to enjoy bringing out every single wrongdoing the development team has done (or not done). Trudging up historic events left better to dust, twisting information into barbs to attack the developers, using harsh hyperbolic phrases and confrontations to negatively offset other users of the topic. You have not bothered to give SE a chance, accussing the developers, riling against the developers; your attitude gives off the notion that the development team is at your every whim and call, like a dog, and by missing out on one negligible detail, they have dealt your first born the ultimate insult of disgrace.

Analogy - you are the brutal husband who slapped your wife for missing an ingredient on a shopping list, knowing full well that she is only halfway through shopping, and merely came to report on you. You don't give her a chance to explain before spreading rumours about her, even as she is shopping.

The DB faction seems awfully blind to the fact that the developers have in fact made mistakes, and that it is us as players to recognise those wrongdoings and present to the development team so they take such feedback into account. Refusing to admit past results, praising only the items of high evaluation, you do not try to accept change, you do not try to adapt to the fact that everything can be done differently, and not everything is set in stone. There will always be room for improvement, and yet you do not seem to understand this, believing onlyin the best.

Analogy - you are the blind follower of a politician who believes they know best for a country, but have made mistakes that will cost a fortune to repair. You develop propaganda, ignoring all that is wrong, and insist that the word of your politician is absolute.

Results
What is at first a topic for concern about a legitimate issue has instead turned the community into a three headed beast, each vying for attention in its own way. The level of ignorance, wrongly assumed knowledge, underlying tactics and pure blindness is the cause of these many controversies; it is ultimately not the developer's fault, but us, as the players, for subjecting ourselves to such useless concepts.

Conclusion
The players themselves have given into impatience, and it thus has a direct correlation towards Square Enix for their lack of detail. Information that could be provided:

• Specs of platform on which visuals were displayed
• Current settings of the visuals
• Latency or lack of
• Server side known issues
• Specific control variants and performance charts

It is also our duty as a community to support the development team. This means not just praises, but constructive feedback, legitimate concerns on timing, appropriate queries to answers that can be provided. Demands and accussation, blindness and ignorance are not support and infringe on the development team to provide a satisfying product for us to enjoy.

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REPORT SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS MORE DETAILS AND DATA IS OBTAINED.

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Like your statement :)

back to topic thou. Hmmmmmm nothing to talk about.. i already voice my opinion and hope for the best. :]

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

You didn't even entertain the possibility that maybe they haven't finished.

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Like Gramul said a couple of pages behind:
Movement and camera are one of the fundamental basics of any MMO, hell, any game involving 3D.

In the presentation, they focused alot on the UI, which i love. The UI, the concept, the colors, everything, the UI is amazing, they could slap the UI on this version and call it 2.0 and i'd be happy. But that's besides the point.

The point is, they're showing a pre-alpha build weeks-months away from making the alpha public and we're shown a huge downgraded, almost embaressing movement component of an engine that is completely diferent from the one we're used to.
They didn't give any information regarding said movement/camera engine, that is, to me atleast, alarming.
You'd expect at this point they'd tell us if that god-awful strafing system is toggeable or not. (Atleast that, let alone finishing it.)

At this point, i'm more shocked than you that people still try to defend everything about 2.0 as if it was the second coming of jesus.

The current character movement and animation is something I love bout XIV and loved in XI, it feels like the character is really there in the world, has weight and it feels unique. I havnt seen any other MMO have such character animation and its what makes FFXI / XIV special to me.
After watching the presentation I was disappointed to see the lack of character animation, it turns on a dime like any other MMO.

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Originally Posted by Volfield

Like Gramul said a couple of pages behind:
Movement and camera are one of the fundamental basics of any MMO, hell, any game involving 3D.

In the presentation, they focused alot on the UI, which i love. The UI, the concept, the colors, everything, the UI is amazing, they could slap the UI on this version and call it 2.0 and i'd be happy. But that's besides the point.

The point is, they're showing a pre-alpha build weeks-months away from making the alpha public and we're shown a huge downgraded, almost embaressing movement component of an engine that is completely diferent from the one we're used to.
They didn't give any information regarding said movement/camera engine, that is, to me atleast, alarming.
You'd expect at this point they'd tell us if that god-awful strafing system is toggeable or not. (Atleast that, let alone finishing it.)

At this point, i'm more shocked than you that people still try to defend everything about 2.0 as if it was the second coming of jesus.

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She may defend SE and will even fight against what Yoshi himself will say, but no one can argue that unlike XIV 1.0 where they should have built off of XI, ARR had XIV 1.0 to build off of, yet there's apparent downgrades. ARR Alpha shouldn't in any shape or form be a downgrade to XIV 1.0 at all.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Being hopeful while being determined that what we've seen is the worst possible scenario? Contradictory much?

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Maybe, yes.

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Movement and camera are one of the fundamental basics of any MMO, hell, any game involving 3D.

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How about any game, period. Kinda hard to play when you can't see anything and can't move.

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The point is, they're showing a pre-alpha build weeks-months away from making the alpha public and we're shown a huge downgraded, almost embaressing movement component of an engine that is completely diferent from the one we're used to.

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But a lot can happen in a month. And it could be two or three months since Alpha is being released "this fall" and winter usually Decemberish. They're rebuilding the game. They're not going to use movement from 1.0 because movement and animation was one of the game's biggest flaws.

It's not that 2.0 is going to be the best game ever from Alpha day one, but I have no reason to doubt that 1.0 wasn't all that peachy either. 1.0 was a set back for Square, and 2.0 is supposed to be the "redemption". So forgive me for daring to give them at least the benefit of a doubt.

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ARR Alpha shouldn't in any shape or form be a downgrade to XIV 1.0 at all.

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Exactly. To paraphrase YoshiP: Why rebuild a game for lower quality? It makes no sense.

I apply this reasoning to movement as well.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

She may defend SE and will even fight against what Yoshi himself will say, but no one can argue that unlike XIV 1.0 where they should have built off of XI, ARR had XIV 1.0 to build off of, yet there's apparent downgrades. ARR Alpha shouldn't in any shape or form be a downgrade to XIV 1.0 at all.

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Thank you. This ^
And since this is turning into a "Blasphemy, u dun berief in grorious deverupur, 2.0 shall cur cancer, die infidel!1" Kind of thread:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...read-eject.jpg

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Originally Posted by Volfield

huge downgraded, almost embaressing movement component of an engine that is completely diferent from the one we're used to.

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Different ≠ bad.

Volfield has his review for the game written up already and ready to post on Kotaku.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Their words. They changed the animations (downgraded) to have better movement for PvP play.

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lol, they just downgraded them because they're lazy. It's just PR-speak/lies.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

lol, they just downgraded them because they're lazy. It's just PR-speak/lies.

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That doesn't really make sense and I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

It would create more work to remove something from the game than to just leave it alone.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

That doesn't really make sense and I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

It would create more work to remove something from the game than to just leave it alone.

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Oh yeah i forgot we live in some alternate dimension where FFXIV 2.0 is using the same engine as 1.0.

Oh wait, that's right it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Lirion

You guys complain about every little thing.

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-Complain

1. to express resentment, displeasure, etc., esp habitually; grumble
2. (foll by of) to state the presence of pain, illness, etc., esp in the hope of sympathy

-Concern

-A troubled or anxious state of mind arising from solicitude or interest

How can we "complain" if none of us knows the state of the animation on release?

We are "concerned" that the animation will be downgraded, and we try to explain why it *would* be bad if it really gets downgraded.

ENGLISH.

Use them accurately.

You guys complain about every little thing.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Oh yeah i forgot we live in some alternate dimension where FFXIV 2.0 is using the same engine as 1.0.

Oh wait, that's right it isn't.

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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?

If you think they didn't largely port over what was already there and build from there, I've got news for you.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Oh yeah i forgot we live in some alternate dimension where FFXIV 2.0 is using the same engine as 1.0.

Oh wait, that's right it isn't.

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For how much you think you'll complain on this loldowngrade you like so much ? You're more and more pathetic.
Yes, texture detail will be downgraded as now , but we'll have dinamic light and shadows with a lighter engine. Sounds a good deal if you ask me.

OP i hope you have seen XIV 1.0 pre alpha i really do from the bottom of my heart i really do.
you see your whoooooooole "concern" about the movements is based on a Pre-alpha for 2.0 shown in gamescom 2012 and like FFXIV 1.0 three years ago when it was in pre-alpha state the movements were like 2.0 pre-alpha one.

yoshi already said that the game hasnt reached a finished state gdi we already have 2-4 months away since its finished too.

but in the end i really get why he decided to put a live letter now its for these meaningless threads that are going like yours that complain or have a "concern" about every little thing in 2.0. to me and to some guys (maybe) who are saying to you its a pre-alpha or even "this thread again" its like "eating raw meat before cooking it"

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Originally Posted by Nemy

-Complain

1. to express resentment, displeasure, etc., esp habitually; grumble
2. (foll by of) to state the presence of pain, illness, etc., esp in the hope of sympathy

-Concern

-A troubled or anxious state of mind arising from solicitude or interest

How can we "complain" if none of us knows the state of the animation on release?

We are "concerned" that the animation will be downgraded, and we try to explain why it *would* be bad if it really gets downgraded.

ENGLISH.

Use them accurately.

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Congratulations, you can read a dictionnary.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Pre Alpha means, that the current Game.... has not reached the Alpha-Stage

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Using a pencil is not Pre-Alpha State

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Using a pencil is something that takes place -by your own definition- before the Alpha. Therefore.... (i'll let you figure it out by yourself.)

Pre-Alpha is not a "stage". It is simply a term to define the time BEFORE the game is ready for an Alpha test, and as i already explained, that time could be either years or minutes before the actual Alpha test.

Get -your own- definitions straight.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Fine tuning is something you wont see in an Alpha, period.

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Well, wrong. If you agree that an Alpha is not a stage of core development, then IDEALLY, the remaining changes can be defined as "fine tuning". That being said, i'm not denying the fact that changes of core elements can even occur in Beta, depending on the situation.

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Originally Posted by Nero

AA has nothing do to with Character-Animation. AA is to improve the Graphic... <_< Didn't you just say you know the difference?

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This is where i'm starting to question your intellectual capacity. Let's see what you're replying to :

-"i know the difference between character animation and adding a +8 AA a week after open beta."

And now let me simplify it :

Its like me saying : "I know the difference between apples and oranges"

And you replying : "Apples have nothing to do with oranges, apples are red and... i thought you knew the difference between apples and oranges"

I mean, reading comprehension man... focus.

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Originally Posted by Nero

If you think fine-tuning is all about graphical aspects, then you are wrong.

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I don't. I sure don't think though that changing the core moving animation of characters can be considered "fine tuning". What is your point?

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Originally Posted by Nero

Are you working for SE that you actually know what they implemented yet, did not implement, adjusted, did not adjust, showed, did not show?

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Let's see what you're replying to again :

-"If you do understand what animation is, you could even go as far as dismissing my concern as meaningless, since we're so close to alpha that nothing this big can change at this point."

Protip : Any sentence that starts with "If you... you could even go as far as..." proposes a hypothetical situation. No i don't know what SE will do with the animation, nor did i ever claimed to know.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Game-Animation is of course something "big", if you want to call it that but it is still common for Demo-Vid esp. in Alpha-States to not show every single Animation, since certain of them maybe does not look the way the Developer wants it to be.

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You could, -and i hope- you're right. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make our concerns public early on though, just in case the animation is heading the "subjectively wrong" way. We have every right under freedom of speech and just plain logic, to address the issue and ask for clarifications at this time. That's all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by Nero

-implying- It's your own concern and you claim to know the future state of animation in ARR

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Oh-really.jpg

Look around you. I'm obviously not the only one concerned about this issue. So its *our* not *my* concern.

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Originally Posted by Nero

You should go back a few pages and recheck what you've said.

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Go back yourself and find me one single quote where i claim to KNOW the future state of the animation in ARR.

I wish you good luck on your journey, and may gods have mercy on your soul.

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Originally Posted by Nero

do you think the Alpha-Forum/Beta-Forum are there to have Small-talk about the weather?

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Compared to character animation, the rest of the issues usually addressed during Alpha/Beta, can be considered small talk about the weather. A bugged quest compared to animation is really, small talk. Again, i'm not absolute here, big stuff can change. Though the fact remains : The sooner you address some issues, the better.

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Originally Posted by Nero

You must really work for SE, since i cant find a given Date of Alpha-testing.

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Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Frequently Asked Questions - When will the alpha test begin?

Square Enix - We are currently aiming to start the alpha test sometime this fall.

I said November since its the last month of ... the fall.

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Originally Posted by Nero

you will be proven wrong, as soon as the Release is about to happen.

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To be "proven wrong" i need to have a position, a thesis, or an argument. Since i, (and also we) only have a concern and i ask for clarification and awareness, i can't be "proven wrong" per se.

I sure hope that you're right though, and the amazing work of the animators doesn't get thrown away.

You guys complain about every little thing.

It's grass 2.0!

I'm sure they fix it.
Do you remember the time they made it that the char can still run while he throw out his weapon and the char slided over the ground like he was on ice? They fixed this, too

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Originally Posted by Felis

I'm sure they fix it.
Do you remember the time they made it that the char can still run while he throw out his weapon and the char slided over the ground like he was on ice? They fixed this, too

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However, they told us that would be the case till the next update, this however we aren't told anything.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

However, they told us that would be the case till the next update, this however we aren't told anything.

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Probably because the only footage we have of it is from a show. They were too busy saying stuff like "we made a totally new engine to run on lower performance machines" and "we've made the UI better" to get around to saying stuff like "look at how awful this game is now because of the lack of this one transitional animation!"

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Originally Posted by Keyln

You guys complain about every little thing.

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Are you sure you know the definition of the word "complain"?

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

...the lack of this one transitional animation!"

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Its not "one transitional animation" , its the way the character runs while changes direction and being subject to inertia.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Its not "one transitional animation" , its the way the character runs while changes direction and being subject to inertia.

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Oh sorry, "end-game content" too! DAMMIT SQUARE!

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

oh man, someone called my strawman! Quick! lets reply with yet another strawman!

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Fixed.

(4 more characters)

At most, this thread warranted a, "Hey, yeah. I noticed it too." And a light discussion follows where we happily speculate when the rest of the animations will be incorporated into the game play. Late in the Alpha stage, early in the Beta?

I don't even know what people are arguing about.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Its not "one transitional animation" , its the way the character runs while changes direction and being subject to inertia.

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How is that not one transitional animation?
Is it 4 transitional animations, then?

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Fixed.

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Hey, I was siding with you... I suddenly realized that this is all that matters.

lol.. its funny how you are trying to twist everything, just to match it to your statements.

Esp. the last one is funny..

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To be "proven wrong" i need to have a position, a thesis, or an argument.

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If you have a concern, you have a position.

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Square Enix - We are currently aiming to start the alpha test sometime this fall.

I said November since its the last month of ... the fall.

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Ok let me pull a "Nemy" here:

aim (http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gifm)v. aimed, aim·ing, aims

2. To direct toward or intend for a particular goal or group.

So when was the Start of Alpha again? Aiming for it does not mean it will happen. And Yoshi said himself; We wont start until it feels right to start.

I dont even need to into the rest of your Post, that this 2 are enough to show that your logic fails.

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Originally Posted by Nero

lol.. its funny how you are trying to twist everything, just to match it to your statements.

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Its also funny how you avoid giving an example of "twisting" from my side, instead of merely implying it.

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Originally Posted by Nero

If you have a concern, you have a position.

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Example of concern : I noticed the character animations in the Gamescon 1012 video are downgraded, i hope this wont be the case in the final product.

Example of position : The character animations will be downgraded in the final product and i'm mad about it.

If you think concern = position, you should really go back to school, or finish it already.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Aiming for it does not mean it will happen.

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When a company is "aiming" towards a certain date, that date is not a bare speculation, random, or wishful thinking. They have a REASON to aim at that specific date. They already stated that the development is closing to its completion.

Are you implying that SE aiming for an alpha test in the next couple of months means NOTHING when it comes to game development?

Are they absolutely out of their damn minds or something?

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Originally Posted by Nero

I dont even need to into the rest of your Post, that this 2 are enough to show that your logic fails

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Originally Posted by Nero

Those 2 points are the only ones that i thought i could try to falsify, hoping i could get away with implying the rest of your post is also based on "false logic"

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Fixed.

Apparently, your logic is the one that fails miserably, that's why you don't want to address the rest of my post.

It would be a good question to ask Yoshi for the letter.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Its also funny how you avoid giving an example of "twisting" from my side, instead of merely implying it.

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Its obvious. People just need to check what people originally said and how you changed comments in your post. Dont need to give an example, when they are right above, but since im nice i will give you one:

Kira said: Oh sorry, "end-game content" too! DAMMIT SQUARE!

You made this out of it: oh man, someone called my strawman! Quick! lets reply with yet another strawman!

Beside twisting thing's you tend to avoid a simple discussion. Irrc you said you want to have a discussion, then there is another "Nemy" here for you:

dis·cus·sion [dih-skuhsh-uhn]

an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., especially to explore solutions; informal debate.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Example of concern : I noticed the character animations in the Gamescon 1012 video are downgraded, i hope this wont be the case in the final product.

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As i said: If you have a concern, you have a position.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Example of position : The character animations will be downgraded in the final product and i'm mad about it.

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That is an assumption. I thought you are the wording-acrobat and not me. >_>

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Originally Posted by Nemy

If you think concern = position, you should really go back to school, or finish it already.

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Personal Attack = I hit a nerve.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

When a company is "aiming" towards a certain date, that date is not a bare speculation, random, or wishful thinking. They have a REASON to aim at that specific date. They already stated that the development is closing to its completion.

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This is interesting and where is the Source?

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Are you implying that SE aiming for an alpha test in the next couple of months means NOTHING when it comes to game development?

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Did i say that? If not, then i'm not.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Are they absolutely out of their damn minds or something?

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What is this about? Do you even know SquareEnix? Ever heard of anything they did in Game Development or how they did? How they pronounced things to come "soon" and you wouldnt see it for years?

I want to play ARR no matter what, but delay's can happen. Like i said above.. aiming for Fall, does not mean it will happen. It could also start in Winter, or if another Earthquake happns, in next Summer. You can not know, unless SE will give out a date.

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Originally Posted by Nemy

Apparently, your logic is the one that fails miserably, that's why you don't want to address the rest of my post.

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So? Another assumption. You think you know why i dont reply to the rest of your Post, tell me how you would know? Im really curious, esp. since i told you why i'm not replying to the Rest of it.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

It would be a good question to ask Yoshi for the letter.

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Here Nemy, this Guy did it right.

And here you did it again..

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Those 2 points are the only ones that i thought i could try to falsify, hoping i could get away with implying the rest of your post is also based on "false logic"

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Dude.. i never said that. Stop fuc*ing around with quotes. If you cant stand them, then leave them. It's the most rude thing to do, so seriously stop that bullshit.

rofl, i love reading the first page and the skip straight to the last just to see how far things degraded. This has certainly satisfied my curiosity. =D

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Originally Posted by Nero

Its obvious.

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Oh really? Give me an example.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Kira said: Oh sorry, "end-game content" too! DAMMIT SQUARE!

You made this out of it: oh man, someone called my strawman! Quick! lets reply with yet another strawman!

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I'm still waiting for an example of "twisting everything, just to match it to my statements."

What you quoted, was me calling Bigg's strawman, since he was the one originally twisting my words to fit his notion that this is a "non-issue", by changing "the way the character runs while changes direction and being subject to inertia." into "Oh sorry, "end-game content" too! DAMMIT SQUARE!"

Pay attention, you come off like you desperately looking to find ways to somehow "prove me wrong" by definition.

Why you're trying so hard? You could simply address the things you and i were talking about, refute my points if you can, and leave others out of it.

Now, do you have an example of me twisting everything to match my statements? (whatever that means...)

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Originally Posted by Nero

Beside twisting thing's you tend to avoid a simple discussion.

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lolwat. I try to address every single thing you say, while trying to keep it civilised in here. You are the one avoiding my points, almost admittedly.

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Originally Posted by Nero

As i said: If you have a concern, you have a position.

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The "position" that sometimes is implied by a "concern" is not relevant here. You and i never talked about if and why a downgraded animation would be detrimental to the game , we were talking about me and others, having a "concern" that the animation might be downgraded.

If you were indeed talking about my views on animation, you're still wrong that "i will be proven wrong at release" since this is a subjective issue, and you couldn't possibly know if i like the outcome or not.

Either way, you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by Nero

That is an assumption.

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Really bro? That was a hypothetical position, that someone would have if the downgrade was indeed a fact, used to contrast the example of "concern"

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Originally Posted by Nero

Personal Attack = I hit a nerve.

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Barely, but i do apologise.

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Originally Posted by Nero

This is interesting and where is the Source?

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we’re almost ready for the alpha test for A Realm Reborn

Source : Letter from the Producer, XXXV (08/30/2012)

There is another source stating a certain percent, but i really don't care to find it, since the above quote speaks for itself. (assuming you realise what Alpha test means)

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Originally Posted by Nero

How they pronounced things to come "soon" and you wouldnt see it for years?

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Now, would i be "twisting" your words if i say that this is a strawman? I never implied that "soon" means anything when it comes to game development.

Aiming for a specific time =/= a vague "soon"


Me - "your logic is the one that fails miserably, that's why you don't want to address the rest of my post."

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Originally Posted by Nero

So? Another assumption.

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That was indeed an assumption. Not a bare one though.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Here Nemy, this Guy did it right.

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How did you get the notion that a thread making a concern public is somehow.. a bad thing?

My thread implies a question to the developers, i never accused anyone, i simply stated what i noticed and then said "don't tell me that this is the case"

You're the one that derails this thread into secondary arguments.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Dude.. i never said that. Stop fuc*ing around with quotes. If you cant stand them, then leave them. It's the most rude thing to do, so seriously stop that bullshit.

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Let me remind you...

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But the key word here is "concern". I'm not making an argument, nor do i "whine". I'm making my legitimate concern public, with claiming to know the future state of the animation in ARR.

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I never said that either, yet i didn't whine you used this method to make a point.

I even quoted your original quote right before i make the "fixed" version, so stop crying.

lol

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How did you get the notion that a thread making a concern public is somehow.. a bad thing?

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How did you get the notion, that getting answers which does not fit your own view.. is a bad thing?

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But the key word here is "concern". I'm not making an argument, nor do i "whine". I'm making my legitimate concern public, with claiming to know the future state of the animation in ARR.

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Was cleary stated, that you didnt used those words by making them bold and saying it. XD You are such a funny guy.you are completly rewriting the Sentence.. and that being said:

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Why you're trying so hard?

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1. I didnt even start yet.
2. You are 100 Years to early, to get what i'm "trying"...actually... its working... so hence the "trying".