Please don't harass people for ignoring/disliking the story

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OH NO!
IT RETURNS!

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Humans... remember don't anger a dragon for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup =P

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you mean the red stuff when they bite down isn't ketchup?

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

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Originally Posted by hagare

we do?
But what?

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The Dragonling Estinien was helping out when he go chosen for the Black Rose was sharing the squid. I'm sure a few other things.

The point is miss by the disingenious forum paladin using the bad faith magic. The Burger King and the Mad King are working hard with writer guild to creating the course correction to making the game closer to the critical MMO Older Scroll and the Games of the Throwns written by the Matsuno. Is why the new Hildabrandt story is need before relics. The forum is for the angry feedback not for the great community by the way. It is crepe to support the rockstar developer team. If all the player liking the game then they can not dislike it and that is the haras which mean that writer guild must fight back. So as a humble burger man must agree to disagree. You can not like the story in the public because it deny the course correction. Only by the hate will game become great.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

The point is miss by the disingenious forum paladin using the bad faith magic. The Burger King and the Mad King are working hard with writer guild to creating the course correction to making the game closer to the critical MMO Older Scroll and the Games of the Throwns written by the Matsuno. Is why the new Hildabrandt story is need before relics. The forum is for the angry feedback not for the great community by the way. It is crepe to support the rockstar developer team. If all the player liking the game then they can not dislike it and that is the haras which mean that writer guild must fight back. So as a humble burger man must agree to disagree. You can not like the story in the public because it deny the course correction. Only by the hate will game become great.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

The point is miss by the disingenious forum paladin using the bad faith magic. The Burger King and the Mad King are working hard with writer guild to creating the course correction to making the game closer to the critical MMO Older Scroll and the Games of the Throwns written by the Matsuno. Is why the new Hildabrandt story is need before relics. The forum is for the angry feedback not for the great community by the way. It is crepe to support the rockstar developer team. If all the player liking the game then they can not dislike it and that is the haras which mean that writer guild must fight back. So as a humble burger man must agree to disagree. You can not like the story in the public because it deny the course correction. Only by the hate will game become great.

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Please pass me whatever you are smoking

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

They have their own pizza!!!

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I know now why the Garleans called the Eorzeans savages. Seriously, a country without pizza and burgers? Savages indeed.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

The point is miss by the disingenious forum paladin using the bad faith magic. The Burger King and the Mad King are working hard with writer guild to creating the course correction to making the game closer to the critical MMO Older Scroll and the Games of the Throwns written by the Matsuno. Is why the new Hildabrandt story is need before relics. The forum is for the angry feedback not for the great community by the way. It is crepe to support the rockstar developer team. If all the player liking the game then they can not dislike it and that is the haras which mean that writer guild must fight back. So as a humble burger man must agree to disagree. You can not like the story in the public because it deny the course correction. Only by the hate will game become great.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

I'm surprised that it seems Varshahn isn't more akin to Meteion in that he's able to take in food. Considering that the body I'm assuming is lifeless whenever Vrtra's eye isn't inhabiting it. I guess they'd make it capable to do so in order to help sell the lie? Which I mean does that mean the body gets more energy from the food or does the food eaten somehow transfer over to Vrtra

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It's possible that the food gets directly converted to aether and powers the simulacrum. It's alchemical rather than mechanical, whatever that means in practice, but it may mean that Varshahn is physically a living body without a soul. They haven't explored that aspect of it.

The story is way better and solid than a certain other mmo.

Its failing isn't itself per se, but the fact it was done in a way where you have to do it serially in completion across all xpacs.

In WoW, you're not forced to play all of the xpacs back to back.
In fact, since BfA or so, they start you off in dedicated new player zones that then dump you off in the xpac before latest xpac.
What Blizzard instead has done for lore folks is let you play older xpacs out of order/at your own pace w/ chromie time. This lets players engage with end game much faster, rather than deleting the MMO halfway because it's taking too long.

BTW, I am a player who xp-locked a toon just to keep one permanently in chromie time. I also am one of the players who get angry when they're booted out of an xpac because they out-leveled it, hence why MSQ exists in the first place in FFXIV. That said, having the issue of the story being unable to broken up into smaller pieces that can be done out of order was a mistake.

Hopefully 7.0 gives enough of a lore break that the devs can allow new players to level up in a potential new zone that dumps them off at the start of latest xpac instead.

Story of FFXIV is solid, that's not the issue when people often complain about it. It's misdirected analysis on the true issue.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

Hopefully 7.0 gives enough of a lore break that the devs can allow new players to level up in a potential new zone that dumps them off at the start of latest xpac instead.

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I really hope the devs think of doing that.
I have a couple friends that are interested to play, but don't want to deal with 4 expansions worth of story right away.

I love the story, but i get that, it's overwhelming. A jumping point in the modern FFXIV would be nice.
Playing catching up while your friends enjoy a new expansion can make you feel left out.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

The story is way better and solid than a certain other mmo.

Its failing isn't itself per se, but the fact it was done in a way where you have to do it serially in completion across all xpacs.

In WoW, you're not forced to play all of the xpacs back to back.
In fact, since BfA or so, they start you off in dedicated new player zones that then dump you off in the xpac before latest xpac.
What Blizzard instead has done for lore folks is let you play older xpacs out of order/at your own pace w/ chromie time. This lets players engage with end game much faster, rather than deleting the MMO halfway because it's taking too long.

BTW, I am a player who xp-locked a toon just to keep one permanently in chromie time. I also am one of the players who get angry when they're booted out of an xpac because they out-leveled it, hence why MSQ exists in the first place in FFXIV. That said, having the issue of the story being unable to broken up into smaller pieces that can be done out of order was a mistake.

Hopefully 7.0 gives enough of a lore break that the devs can allow new players to level up in a potential new zone that dumps them off at the start of latest xpac instead.

Story of FFXIV is solid, that's not the issue when people often complain about it. It's misdirected analysis on the true issue.

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The general feeling I get about ff14 overall on a lot of issues, story included always comes down to "It's better than basically every other option overall, but still not good enough."

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Originally Posted by Taiku

I need to stress that if you love the story and think more people should experience it, that's fine. I also need to stress that I'm not talking about players who skip everything & write essays about how bad the story is. Those people are dumb, and I honestly don't think they're common enough to be worth complaining about.

What I want to highlight is the alarming number of players who think it's okay to literally bully people for not being invested in the story. I recognize that much of the community loves the narrative, and that it's a considerably large component of the game. But it's not the only thing it has to offer, and you don't have to care about the writing at all to enjoy it as an MMO.

People are not going to enjoy the same things you do, and that's okay. People are also going to enjoy things different from how you enjoy them, and you need to be okay with that. Bullying people for playing it the 'wrong' way doesn't give any life-changing realization about the narrative. It just builds resentment and makes folks even less likely to play it the way you personally feel is 'correct.' Or worse, they'll quit playing entirely, even if they otherwise enjoy the core gameplay. And that's not a good thing.

I'm a little biased because I'm speaking from personal experience, having faced the brunt of this harassment myself. It doesn't matter how important the story is, or that it's 'a Final Fantasy game first,' harassing people for having personal preferences should not be acceptable behavior.

Please be better than this.

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The people that get "harassed" ask for it. If you don't like or skip the story that is your call. Beating your chest and bragging about it will get you the "harassment" you deserve.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

The people that get "harassed" ask for it. If you don't like or skip the story that is your call. Beating your chest and bragging about it will get you the "harassment" you deserve.

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Harrasment is never deserved. Nor is berating someone for not liking something you do.
This isn't a behavior that should be encouraged.

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Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

Harrasment is never deserved. Nor is berating someone for not liking something you do.
This isn't a behavior that should be encouraged.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

The people that get "harassed" ask for it. If you don't like or skip the story that is your call. Beating your chest and bragging about it will get you the "harassment" you deserve.

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Has anyone told you that you're an absolute barbarian? A beast that immediately disregards other's opinions for no reason other than the fact that you disagree. You don't even bother to attempt to create any legitimate reasoning for it.

I don't agree with someone simply saying, "Story bad" as loudly as they can and acting proud of it, but I don't believe they deserve to be harassed for it either. And I especially don't think anyone that takes the time to formulate well throughout critique deserves to be harassed either. Generally speaking, no one deserves to be harassed or treated poorly for any reason.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

The people that get "harassed" ask for it. If you don't like or skip the story that is your call. Beating your chest and bragging about it will get you the "harassment" you deserve.

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Funny, we could change the criteria to “if you don’t raid and beat your chest about it you deserve to be harassed” and the entire narrative would change.

Please self reflect.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's possible that the food gets directly converted to aether and powers the simulacrum. It's alchemical rather than mechanical, whatever that means in practice, but it may mean that Varshahn is physically a living body without a soul. They haven't explored that aspect of it.

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Maybe though we do only see the both of them side by side twice I think. And Varshahn just stares blankly while Vrtra isn't splitting his focus. I wonder how different both Varshahn bodies are from mammets. Since you can make those be lifeless in order to practice healing magic. Yet when out of that mode it will function normally. Not that this thread should be the place to discuss this. Might have to start a thread for this.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

The point is miss by the disingenious forum paladin using the bad faith magic. The Burger King and the Mad King are working hard with writer guild to creating the course correction to making the game closer to the critical MMO Older Scroll and the Games of the Throwns written by the Matsuno. Is why the new Hildabrandt story is need before relics. The forum is for the angry feedback not for the great community by the way. It is crepe to support the rockstar developer team. If all the player liking the game then they can not dislike it and that is the haras which mean that writer guild must fight back. So as a humble burger man must agree to disagree. You can not like the story in the public because it deny the course correction. Only by the hate will game become great.

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damn. this mf spittin' :eek:

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

damn. this mf spittin' :eek:

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My brain grows in size each time I read his posts. I'm gonna need a new skull.

The story feels very straight forward, with a bit of, "Filler Story." mixed in. All seemed to follow a repeating narrative.

Explore > Discover Enemy > Find Enemy > Kill Enemy > Self/Place Discovery. (Repeat.)

Sprinkle in a bit of, Fetch Quests, Talking to random NPCs, and Filler Questlines (Crystal Tower.)

I haven't really been, surprised by anything really, I've played plenty of other MMO's that seem to carry the same routine in their stories.

Personally i dont think anyone has the right to force their opinions on anyone whether the like or dislike something but my question is how do other players know whether another player is a skipper or hates the story? Clearly people must have been vocal. So really not knowing the situation you are talking about or hell even if you might have been viewing a discussion as bullying.

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

My brain grows in size each time I read his posts. I'm gonna need a new skull.

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How it feels to chew Five gum line your brain with eyes.

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I recall a time I joked with someone about this and it was a whole thing. Never gonna do it again lol

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Originally Posted by Ameela

to be fair, how do they have hamburgers in medieval times

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Okay, maybe I’m out of the loop. But what was wrong with a hamburger? I’m assuming it was the scene oh G’raha eating it

As for burgers in medieval times, what part of the game shows that? Maybe I missed a posting?

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Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

Harrasment is never deserved. Nor is berating someone for not liking something you do.
This isn't a behavior that should be encouraged.

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Idk...if you're gonna brag about something like that or opt to spread false info like that Quinn dude did or whatever his name was years ago you kinda are asking to be harassed/receive blowback. I won't say it's ok, I WILL say it's fair game though.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Okay, maybe I’m out of the loop. But what was wrong with a hamburger? I’m assuming it was the scene oh G’raha eating it

As for burgers in medieval times, what part of the game shows that? Maybe I missed a posting?

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You didn't miss anything. Some people still assume "fantasy" means medieval times, when final fantasy has been all over the place.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

You didn't miss anything. Some people still assume "fantasy" means medieval times, when final fantasy has been all over the place.

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We have flying turtles with booster jet feet, flying hippos and other animals, rooster/frog outfits, tomestones (ie smart phones), modern (to us) to futuristic clothes, electric guitar performance items among others...and folks draw the line at...burgers...

Make it make sense people

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Idk...if you're gonna brag about something like that or opt to spread false info like that Quinn dude did or whatever his name was years ago you kinda are asking to be harassed/receive blowback. I won't say it's ok, I WILL say it's fair game though.

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Quinn was such a convenient scapegoat isn't he? He's like the one public exemple of someone being an absolute idiot about story skipping but some of the most unpleasant members of the community love to bring him up whenever they can to justify their own acts of targeted harassment. I can't take anybody who mentions him seriously.

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Originally Posted by Taiku

I need to stress that if you love the story and think more people should experience it, that's fine. I also need to stress that I'm not talking about players who skip everything & write essays about how bad the story is. Those people are dumb, and I honestly don't think they're common enough to be worth complaining about.

What I want to highlight is the alarming number of players who think it's okay to literally bully people for not being invested in the story. I recognize that much of the community loves the narrative, and that it's a considerably large component of the game. But it's not the only thing it has to offer, and you don't have to care about the writing at all to enjoy it as an MMO.

People are not going to enjoy the same things you do, and that's okay. People are also going to enjoy things different from how you enjoy them, and you need to be okay with that. Bullying people for playing it the 'wrong' way doesn't give any life-changing realization about the narrative. It just builds resentment and makes folks even less likely to play it the way you personally feel is 'correct.' Or worse, they'll quit playing entirely, even if they otherwise enjoy the core gameplay. And that's not a good thing.

I'm a little biased because I'm speaking from personal experience, having faced the brunt of this harassment myself. It doesn't matter how important the story is, or that it's 'a Final Fantasy game first,' harassing people for having personal preferences should not be acceptable behavior.

Please be better than this.

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if you have seen any shonen anime you have seen most of the story esp if you have seen any isekai or any were the main is the only important person in the story

stormblood before we cleared anything my friend predicted what was going to happen he was correct every time

each player also has the right to play the game however they want within the square enix guidelines but not tos

any player that goes against that square enix guidelines just report them because even though they are not breaking tos they break cough cough guidelines not a legal document and should not be punishable if someone breaks them square enix still will
depending on what admin at that time feels like so if they are in a good mood they might help you if they are in a bad mood they might help the other player they might if they are on the left they might help if they are on the right they might help who knows
asking for a admin for help is like playing a gatcha game the rng may be in your favour or the other players favour

if you dont like the story skip it at your choice it is your game not the other persons

if you like the story watch it

in general dont tell other people how to play the game unless they ask you for your opinion

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

We have flying turtles with booster jet feet, flying hippos and other animals, rooster/frog outfits, tomestones (ie smart phones), modern (to us) to futuristic clothes, electric guitar performance items among others...and folks draw the line at...burgers...

Make it make sense people

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While I don't actually care about the burgers I do dislike the hawaiian shirts and branded clothing that have made their way into the game, I think it clashes horribly with the aesthetic and aren't very well justified by the lore.
You can claim FF has always been like this but I disagree completely, every FF game has done a good job of making sure all of their components match each other aesthetically.
Not all the Final Fantasies are tabbards and tunics but if one person is wearing Louis Vuitton then you can expect everyone else to be wearing something to match outside of mythical or magical beings where the contrast is the whole point, while the games that have regular people in frills and plate armor generally won't have some random person wearing a tailored black suit and sunglasses.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Quinn was such a convenient scapegoat isn't he? He's like the one public exemple of someone being an absolute idiot about story skipping but some of the most unpleasant members of the community love to bring him up whenever they can to justify their own acts of targeted harassment. I can't take anybody who mentions him seriously.

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Check my post history if you feel so inclined. I've mentioned him one time and that's here. It's an example of when I feel it's fair game.

How thats not worthy of being taken serious is beyond me.

Part of me wants for us to make an "EW is bad because burgers" meme and see how far that spreads.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

While I don't actually care about the burgers I do dislike the hawaiian shirts and branded clothing that have made their way into the game, I think it clashes horribly with the aesthetic and aren't very well justified by the lore.
You can claim FF has always been like this but I disagree completely, every FF game has done a good job of making sure all of their components match each other aesthetically.
Not all the Final Fantasies are tabbards and tunics but if one person is wearing Louis Vuitton then you can expect everyone else to be wearing something to match outside of mythical or magical beings where the contrast is the whole point, while the games that have regular people in frills and plate armor generally won't have some random person wearing a tailored black suit and sunglasses.

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Considering the game is basically a melting pot of eras I really don't see the issue. People pick n choose what fits n what doesn't and it makes little sense to me. You see things like the Weapons (the bosses) and none of that tech is old tech. That's VERY advanced tech(past our modern age) yet nobody complains about that not fitting xivs general old style.

Simple fix imo is to not wear or use said items if you feel they don't fit

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Considering the game is basically a melting pot of eras I really don't see the issue. People pick n choose what fits n what doesn't and it makes little sense to me. You see things like the Weapons (the bosses) and none of that tech is old tech. That's VERY advanced tech(past our modern age) yet nobody complains about that not fitting xivs general old style.

Simple fix imo is to not wear or use said items if you feel they don't fit

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The Weapons are actually a perfect example of how Final Fantasy usually handles its sci-fi elements.
The reason the Weapons exist in the first place is because they're based on already existing monsters - the Ultima Weapon, which is a basis for the others, is literally just a giant lizard with armor grafted onto it. The reason Magitek as a concept is cool is because it's this really advanced technology that's only made possible in a high fantasy-type world, so despite how advanced it is all the technology is limited by what the people of that world perceive as efficient and dangerous. Of course Magitek Armor would be a bipedal, fire-breathing hunk of metal with huge claws, that's the form of the most dangerous thing the people of a world like this could think of.
The Ironworks armor is also a good example of this - it's obviously technologically advanced, but in terms of its form it's still modeled after the types of bronze or iron plating that you'd expect a low level XIV character to wear, it's just being powered up by Magitek.
And if we want to bring it back to the real world - there was nothing stopping some random weaver in the 14th century from coming up with a T-shirt, theoretically they had all the materials and knowledge to do it, but the conventions of that era simply meant they wouldn't ever think to try.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

The reason the Weapons exist in the first place is because they're based on already existing monsters - the Ultima Weapon, which is a basis for the others, is literally just a giant lizard with armor grafted onto it.

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Ultima Weapon is a biotechnological weapon, but its internals do consist primarily of machinery. It was not, based on the information we currently have available, a lizard with armor grafted onto it. Were I to hazard a guess as to the reason for its shape, I'd tend to think the Allagans based it on the dragon-centaur things responsible for summoning Zurvan.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

While I don't actually care about the burgers I do dislike the hawaiian shirts and branded clothing that have made their way into the game, I think it clashes horribly with the aesthetic and aren't very well justified by the lore.
You can claim FF has always been like this but I disagree completely, every FF game has done a good job of making sure all of their components match each other aesthetically.
Not all the Final Fantasies are tabbards and tunics but if one person is wearing Louis Vuitton then you can expect everyone else to be wearing something to match outside of mythical or magical beings where the contrast is the whole point, while the games that have regular people in frills and plate armor generally won't have some random person wearing a tailored black suit and sunglasses.

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FF4 has a giant mech-dungeon you climb in.
FF6 has a knight a monk and a thief face off against a tank. One of the people on team Hero is a Yeti.
I mean, FF7 literally has characters wearing armor (Jesse) and people in sunglasses and tailored suits. One of team hero is a mechanized mascot being operated by some dude in a cubicle..somewhere.
FF10 has a girl in a bikini top hanging with a literal samurai in sunglasses.

You would be hard pressed to find a Final Fantasy game that DOESN'T mix modern with "ye olde fantasy". And even then, it's more a matter of pixels not showing detail.

You don't have to like it, and that is fine, but even a Hawaiian shirt is hardly out of place.

One of the newest titles, Stranger in Paradise, literally has the main character in a button up t-shirt standing with a friend in armor. There are even zippers.

https://d1lss44hh2trtw.cloudfront.ne...22_feature.jpg


Or alternatively, sailor uniform back-flap.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

FF4 has a giant mech-dungeon you climb in.
FF6 has a knight a monk and a thief face off against a tank. One of the people on team Hero is a Yeti.
I mean, FF7 literally has characters wearing armor (Jesse) and people in sunglasses and tailored suits. One of team hero is a mechanized mascot being operated by some dude in a cubicle..somewhere.
FF10 has a girl in a bikini top hanging with a literal samurai in sunglasses.

You would be hard pressed to find a Final Fantasy game that DOESN'T mix modern with "ye olde fantasy". And even then, it's more a matter of pixels not showing detail.

You don't have to like it, and that is fine, but even a Hawaiian shirt is hardly out of place.

One of the newest titles, Stranger in Paradise, literally has the main character in a button up t-shirt standing with a friend in armor. There are even zippers.

https://d1lss44hh2trtw.cloudfront.ne...22_feature.jpg


Or alternatively, sailor uniform back-flap.

https://areajugones.sport.es/wp-cont...asy-origin.jpg

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Yeah, and they are all in different games. Are you telling me that seeing Zidane run up to the people in SoP wouldn't make you laugh at how badly that clashes? I am laughing at people getting upset at others for calling out the clashing styles though. Why are you so upset? The devs are clearly leaning towards a jack of all trades master of non sort of situation with XIV, so all you are doing is telling people they are wrong for not liking clashing styles in a single game, lol.

FFIX had Hawaiian themed gear. Sure it wasn't visible or anything but those items exist within the game world.


Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Yeah, and they are all in different games. Are you telling me that seeing Zidane run up to the people in SoP wouldn't make you laugh at how badly that clashes? I am laughing at people getting upset at others for calling out the clashing styles though. Why are you so upset? The devs are clearly leaning towards a jack of all trades master of non sort of situation with XIV, so all you are doing is telling people they are wrong for not liking clashing styles in a single game, lol.

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The opposite actually; their complaints were that X doesn't belong in FFXIV. Their dislike is their opinion which is fine, but to say it's not a thing in FF in general is factually wrong; I gave examples of extreme clash within games (eg tanks vs a body building monk; or a Samurai in what is an otherwise brightly colored Islander-fashion vibe world).

If you actually read my posts, you would see I’ve said they don’t have to like, and that is fine. Several times.

Furthermore, given what we know about FFXIV's world and cultures, a Hawaiian shirt is simply not that out of place. If you want to argue wierd and out of place, I would have expected Yokai-Watch to be the go-to.