Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

You wouldn't be forced to do anything. It would be optional, like your beloved cash shop.


Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.

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But can you not see how being able to pick and choose what you purchase is more customer friendly than being forced to buy all or nothing?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There is a reason I say "it seems", or I attack the idea, or I say "they", "some people", "maybe", "in my opinion". If you don't use those words you can be banned for "libel, slander". For example. It's the same reason I use a spongebob vocabulary, like I am in 6th grade. The forum guidelines are very broad. I'm sure if there is a ban it is legitimate, no matter how bad you or I may think it is.

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True I do think they were given a reason but do not agree with it so they feel it was without reason. That is why I was curious as to what post the email referred to.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

I'm ignoring you? There's a lot of ignoring going around in this thread, from both sides. Deal with it.

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I didn't say You were ignoring Me
I said you were ignoring the difference between 2 things. But hey, I see you like to Conflate things.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.

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What Nerves did you strike? Or will you conflate Disagreement and Debate with Striking a Nerve?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You cannot fight a ban on these forums. There are no appeals, moderator action is final. Trust me. I know.

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Not sure why you give incorrect information, but you can appeal both in-game and the official forum bans since 2018.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4734275

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

You wouldn't be forced to do anything. It would be optional, like your beloved cash shop.


Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.

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No need to take it that far, from what I can tell everyone has been fairly respectful.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Not sure why you give incorrect information, but you can appeal both in-game and the official forum bans since 2018.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4734275

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So you have to check the page 13 of a random thread from 2018 to know about that.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

So you have to check the page 13 of a random thread from 2018 to know about that.

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*You can also find a Knowledge Base article with the link and details on the Support Center, since that will be easier to find in the future than digging around for this forum post.*

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Not sure why you give incorrect information, but you can appeal both in-game and the official forum bans since 2018.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4734275

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It's not incorrect if its true. In Game bans the mods here say they cant help. Ban here the mods in game say the same thing.

It goes nowhere and is totally true

If you have 1 account and get banned, there is no way to appeal to something when you have no account.

To the heart of the original post...
Mogstation is here to stay, no matter what form it takes. Its your choice to buy or not. I mean folks were just fine without whatever item they just released before it was shown off anyways. Pony up or not, but please, just get over it.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Not sure why you give incorrect information, but you can appeal both in-game and the official forum bans since 2018.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4734275

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Their appeal process is a PR stunt and little else. You will be given an automated response which tells you the ban was warranted. How do I know this? People have shown the emails they received and every single one of them was identical regardless of the circumstance. The only reason that appeal system was even added was because Reddit had a thread spanning over a thousand upvotes criticising the OF.

They put more mounts and glams in game over the course of and expansion then what they add too the mogstation. Only time anyone gripes about this stuff being added is when they want it but are not willing to spend the money on it.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

It might be better to be overly critical to prevent SE from considering taking further steps in expanding Cash Shop practices. Give an inch of tolerance and they usually will take a mile. Perhaps not at once, but little by little. Even if it's all useless criticism and they never were going to expand anyway, it's a worthy security measure to let developpers know where you stand.

Unless you actually like the existence of Cash Shop and want to expand it, shilling for SE just because you're a fanboy is silly and not in your best interest I'd say.

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It seems to me that you're just echoing what you're reading from others without paying any actual attention to what I typed. Also this "give them an inch" saying is complete nonsense. You seem to forget that this is their game. Not ours. If they wanted to expand the cash shop, no amount of complaining on the forums will stop them. They would have already done it. We'd be sitting with BDO's predatory cash shop in XIV with it being a major part of the games focus.

I swear you all think this is the end of days every time they put a mount on mog station. If you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it. It's simplistic. Not everything in life is free and your subscription doesn't entitle you to anything. It gets you an access pass to the game. Nothing else. This whole thread is completely unaware how a business runs, apparently. Businesses need money. They're getting money through subscriptions. They also added an extra OPTIONAL avenue to gain revenue. People that have extra money to spend can go there to buy optional things that get their attention if they so choose. It's not predatorial. It's not scummy. It's not shady. It's business. And a rather peaceful one in my opinion.

Also, calling me a fanboy for understanding how a business works and saying that I'm shilling for SE is a pathetic attempt to try to cover the fact that you have no real argument. Get out of here with that nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

It seems to me that you're just echoing what you're reading from others without paying any actual attention to what I typed. Also this "give them an inch" saying is complete nonsense. You seem to forget that this is their game. Not ours. If they wanted to expand the cash shop, no amount of complaining on the forums will stop them. They would have already done it. We'd be sitting with BDO's predatory cash shop in XIV with it being a major part of the games focus.

I swear you all think this is the end of days every time they put a mount on mog station. If you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it. It's simplistic. Not everything in life is free and your subscription doesn't entitle you to anything. It gets you an access pass to the game. Nothing else. This whole thread is completely unaware how a business runs, apparently. Businesses need money. They're getting money through subscriptions. They also added an extra OPTIONAL avenue to gain revenue. People that have extra money to spend can go there to buy optional things that get their attention if they so choose. It's not predatorial. It's not scummy. It's not shady. It's business. And a rather peaceful one in my opinion.

Also, calling me a fanboy for understanding how a business works and saying that I'm shilling for SE is a pathetic attempt to try to cover the fact that you have no real argument. Get out of here with that nonsense.

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By your logic of how a business works, there's no reason why this game wouldn't be BDO + subscription right now with obvious p2w mechanics. The reason that isn't the case is because there will be a massive exodus of players when SE would implement something like this, so it would be a bad business decision to do that. You could use the same reasoning with deciding between having a Cash Shop or not. A game may consider charging higher subscription (e.g. 20$/month) with the promise of never implementing a Cash Shop and may attract more players that way, since there are players who want to have such principle in their game. It's all about supply and demand.

If SE lets Cash Shop go out of hand, it will also perhaps lead to a player exodus and less players joining the game and thus it would have been a bad business decision if money lost by player decline is greater than the extra profit from Cash Shop. You can see what me and others are trying to do by being overly critical is warn SE that we will be dissatisfied and will leave the game if this does go out of hand. SE will thus perhaps be more inclined to be careful and not walk that fine line between players leaving and Cash Shop profit.

I'm sure forum complaints will indeed have minimal impact though so you may have a point with that. All else you said are cheap bashing arguments that sound eloquent but are empty of merit. I'm sure you're well aware that nobody cares about this game enough to feel entitled on actually deciding its direction. We're simply giving feedback (and our reasoning behind it).

Players in general aren't that principled, if anything player behaviour has shown quite the opposite that there's almost none. Basically every major planned boycott by players due to company decisions gets ridiculed when the most fervent players ends up being the first to break from their supposed values.

If SE's sub went up to get rid of the cash shop you'd see far more people leave over the extra money, even if it's inconsequential- because regardless of what people signal regarding their feelings on MTs (and right now it's generally considered hip and progressive to hate it when companies make money of any kind), at the end of the day everyone's out for themselves and other people buying cash shop items to keep their own sub lower is always preferable.

It's a different story when the RNG elements of loot crates or the p2w aspects of the cash shop actually start to affect your in game content, but in this case that's not happening to anyone other than the few who both greatly want the new mount, and also greatly despise MTs.

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Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus

Players in general aren't that principled, if anything player behaviour has shown quite the opposite that there's almost none. Basically every major planned boycott by players due to company decisions gets ridiculed when the most fervent players ends up being the first to break from their supposed values.

If SE's sub went up to get rid of the cash shop you'd see far more people leave over the extra money, even if it's inconsequential- because regardless of what people signal regarding their feelings on MTs (and right now it's generally considered hip and progressive to hate it when companies make money of any kind), at the end of the day everyone's out for themselves and other people buying cash shop items to keep their own sub lower is always preferable.

It's a different story when the RNG elements of loot crates or the p2w aspects of the cash shop actually start to affect your in game content, but in this case that's not happening to anyone other than the few who both greatly want the new mount, and also greatly despise MTs.

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I overall agree with what you're saying here.

I've mentioned in earlier post that players likely aren't ready to pay for higher sub despite inflation, which leads me to believe Cash Shop practices will only get more significan in the future. It's this standard of 15$/month since forever that I don't think any MMO would dare to question any time soon. WoW might have had the opportunity to set a new standard but they seem to have gone the Cash Shop route.

Personally I'd gladly pay more for sub if it meant no Cash Shop at all. It's out of principle and desire for greater sense of immersion in the game and also prevent potential slippery slope (I realize slippery slope might be fallacy, but it would still put my mind more at ease knowing it's out of the question).

However it's pretty likely I'm in minority with this opinion (for now at least) and there is no solid niche game at the moment that would satisfy this principle. Thus you make a good point imo.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

2019 All Saints' Wake - Circus Ahriman
2018 Valentione's Day - Broken Heart (Left and Right)
2017 Starlight Celebration - Starlight Bear
2017 Hatching-tide - Eggshilaration System
2015 All Saints' Wake - Witch's Broom

2016 also had Yokai (two mounts), 2017 had three GARO ponies and 2019 had Regalia in their respective events. I don't count Rathalos because it's a permanent event.

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I don't count Yokai or Garo or Rathalos as they're collaboration.

There are also the white and red magitek mounts. Are those not part of an event?

Regardless, so seasonal event mounts are actually in the minority. Most mounts are exclusive store mounts and they're account-wide. Maybe we will get a seasonal event mount later this year, but it's not this latest one as it's an exclusive store mount.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

I was about to say this. A Spriggan is as much a seasonal mount as the Indigo Whale. Unless they specifically made it to be a part of an event, like the Witch's Broom or the Christmas bear, it's not a seasonal item.

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You guys need to cut SE some slack, small indie dev company is bleeding for some cash is all.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Whenever you download a patch to this game, all of the patched-in files and assets are downloaded, including the Mog Station ones.

So, it would be more accurate to compare it to a dollhouse where I possess the accessories and all that after the initial purchase, but I can't actually remove them from their packaging until I pay extra money.

And for the record, I do pull the functional incomplete vs complete argument with stuff like that. It's the same reason why, when I was a little kid, other kids would buy Pokemon card packs and I would instead work to collect the video games in the series.

I don't want a segmented product if I can help it. Being my personal preference, this isn't open for negotiation.

You like cash shops? Great! We're allowed to disagree. That's a basic right. Just don't mock others for that stuff. (And before you say anything, I, the OP, etc were mocked first.)

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You have a basic right to think what you want, but that's not an issue. And your preference was never the subject of negotiation. However, you have to live with your preference. If you don't like store items, then no one is forcing you to buy the item. Other people do and to expect SE to still provide these additional items at no extra cost is not realistic. Even the idea of increasing base prices doesn't make sense since not everyone wants everything in the store and there is no guarantee of any item being made.

In the end, people can literally vote with their wallet. If not enough people buy items from the Mog Station, then SE won't put more items in the Mog Station.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

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You guys need to cut SE some slack, small indie dev company is bleeding for some cash is all.

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I dont get what you want, its oblivious the spriggan has nothing to do with the Event... xD

Its also we havent gotten a GS mount since... the GS cactuar? That spriggan on easter would have benn perfect. Add a golden/white, what ever version to the mogstation for those who need it >_>

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

The amount of people shilling for SE here is worrying, not gonna lie. How about we increase the monthly subscription, make every future mount a Mog Station only item and all dyes are single use and can only be purchased for real money. I'm sure even then people would defend the game. Give them and inch and such. Some people have no common sense. /sigh

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Just because people won't accept a more extreme action/behavior doesn't mean they can't accept a more reasonable action/behavior. Don't try to create a strawman argument.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

For me it's double dipping. Plain and simple.

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You're free not to let them have their "second dip" from your wallet if that's what you think.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

It might be better to be overly critical to prevent SE from considering taking further steps in expanding Cash Shop practices. Give an inch of tolerance and they usually will take a mile. Perhaps not at once, but little by little. Even if it's all useless criticism and they never were going to expand anyway, it's a worthy security measure to let developpers know where you stand.

Unless you actually like the existence of Cash Shop and want to expand it, shilling for SE just because you're a fanboy is silly and not in your best interest I'd say.

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People have different opinions and the word "shilling" means nothing if you just apply it to anyone defending a company's action.

As for being overly critical, I don't see how it's a security measure at all when there are people actually purchasing items from the Mog Station, thus validating SE's decision to have it via actions. All the complaints do is put a voice to something that's already apparent: that not everyone wants to purchase items from the Mog Station.

In fact, being overly critical makes it meaningless when there are other things that you may want to criticize that perhaps are more important to criticize as people will already know that you have a habit of being overly critical.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

I overall agree with what you're saying here.

I've mentioned in earlier post that players likely aren't ready to pay for higher sub despite inflation, which leads me to believe Cash Shop practices will only get more significan in the future. It's this standard of 15$/month since forever that I don't think any MMO would dare to question any time soon. WoW might have had the opportunity to set a new standard but they seem to have gone the Cash Shop route.

Personally I'd gladly pay more for sub if it meant no Cash Shop at all. It's out of principle and desire for greater sense of immersion in the game and also prevent potential slippery slope (I realize slippery slope might be fallacy, but it would still put my mind more at ease knowing it's out of the question).

However it's pretty likely I'm in minority with this opinion (for now at least) and there is no solid niche game at the moment that would satisfy this principle. Thus you make a good point imo.

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Your principle doesn't make sense, though.

You don't want to be charged separately for things that you want, but are willing to be charged more for things that you may not even want.

In principle alone, I would oppose the latter and accept the former.

For me it just boils down to "Dang wish I could have earned that."

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

It seems to me that you have no common sense. Every current day MMO has a cash shop. No one is "shilling for SE" when the simple fact is that EVERYTHING on the Mog Station is completely optional. None of it is predatorial. There's nothing anyone NEEDS from the Mog Station. It's all optional stuff that doesn't impact character stats, gameplay, or overall enjoyment factor. None of it. In fact, the Mog Station isn't even directly tied into the game. You can't open a menu in XIV and access the Mog Station through it. This is literally the most easy going and non-invasive cash shop I've seen in an MMO. Calm the calamity that is your mammeries

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So you're part of the 'It's optional' crowd. Fair enough. In a game that has glamour as true end-game wanting to like your best is not optional. It's part of the intended experience.

It it wasn't SE would just release the same looking gear with different stats. If nobody speaks out against these practices they'll continue to tighten their grasp. It's common business sense. Look no further than EA or Nintendo's (clumsy) steps over the years. It has happened and has been documented countless times and yet... here we are. It's sad, really.

Also, what does least intrusive even mean? I'm paying for the game and a subscription. This isn't F2P. Goes to show how indoctrinated people already are. That stuff wouldn't have flown 15 years ago.

IMO cash shop doesn't really have anything to do with reskinned in-game gear. Like others have mentioned, the team that makes the cash shop items is different than the team that makes in-game items. Even if the cash shop is removed it won't magically make the in-game gears all interesting, unique, and not a reskin (and no, the gears that are currently in cash shop won't be made in the first place if there was no cash shop). Sometimes we get new unique gears, sometimes we get reskinned gears. That is a decision from the devs that has no relevancy with the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by MikaIto

For me it just boils down to "Dang wish I could have earned that."

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Yeah, pretty much the same here. It's a great looking mount and I'd love to have it. Them putting it store only, and especially at that price, has basically meant I won't be getting it if/until it goes on major sale. It sucks but that's just the way it works. It's definitely not the first thing on the store that I've thought looked great but is priced out of what I consider personally worth the cost but they wouldn't price the items the way they do if there weren't others who were willing to pay up.

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Originally Posted by MikaIto

For me it just boils down to "Dang wish I could have earned that."

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If you make an honest living and purchase something from the cash shop; consider it earned. Just in another way. The people making stuff and placing them in the cash shop are also trying to make an honest living. Both the cash shop and the game should be filled to the brim with items players want.

My biggest gripe is that mog station mounts usually look interesting and polished, while in game mounts are mostly shrank down mob/boss models.
You can tell how much care and attention in game mounts get by looking at the Ramuh mount...it doesn't even have a normal galloping animation despite being a half-horse because the boss just levitates...

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

My biggest gripe is that mog station mounts usually look interesting and polished, while in game mounts are mostly shrank down mob/boss models.
You can tell how much care and attention in game mounts get by looking at the Ramuh mount...it doesn't even have a normal galloping animation despite being a half-horse because the boss just levitates...

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It's mostly subjective. For me for example, the cumulus mount doesn't look that polished and the fat moogle mount looks weird.
On the contrary, some of the best looking mounts for me are the ones obtainable in-game.

Also what do you mean by normal galloping animation? Ramuh still has galloping animation even if it's floating.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

If you make an honest living and purchase something from the cash shop; consider it earned. Just in another way. The people making stuff and placing them in the cash shop are also trying to make an honest living. Both the cash shop and the game should be filled to the brim with items players want.

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It should be understandable that some don't want to earn things that way in a video game.

Also breaks some kind of immersion when you pull out your real life wallet to get specific item in the game.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Yeah, pretty much the same here. It's a great looking mount and I'd love to have it. Them putting it store only, and especially at that price, has basically meant I won't be getting it if/until it goes on major sale. It sucks but that's just the way it works. It's definitely not the first thing on the store that I've thought looked great but is priced out of what I consider personally worth the cost but they wouldn't price the items the way they do if there weren't others who were willing to pay up.

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I bought the Spriggy mount last night. I also felt the price tag was too high, but also know that is what account wide mounts typically go for. So they are even more pricey for players like myself who only have one character to take advantage of it. Despite that, as soon as I hopped on that Spriggy I immediately did not regret the purchase. I honestly cannot remember the last time 24 bucks made me so happy, as I knew it would, because I asked for a Spriggy mount the moment I knew both Spriggans and mounts existed in this game.

It was a rare feeling. As someone who can't trust anything positive due to a feeling of an awareness of a universal latent effect that will undoubtedly bring about the balancing negative; I feel like this was a steal at 24USD. You can't put a price tag on that kind of elation.

Whether or not it is affordable is another matter, but I think most of us could and probably do spend that 24USD on things that don't bring anywhere near the same benefit.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

It should be understandable that some don't want to earn things that way in a video game.

Also breaks some kind of immersion when you pull out your real life wallet to get specific item in the game.

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This game is pay to play, dude. You can break your 'immersion' at anytime just by looking at your bank statement. It is most certainly not pay to win, which is what your argument implies. Not one thing in that cash shop affects your ability to earn things in the game by playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

This game is pay to play, dude. You can break your 'immersion' at anytime just by looking at your bank statement. It is most certainly not pay to win, which is what your argument implies. Not one thing in that cash shop affects your ability to earn things in the game by playing the game.

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You said yourself that buying a cosmetic from Cash Shop is equivalent of "earning" it. If you were able to earn it ingame without Cash Shop it would also be "earning" it but then with ingame mechanics instead of real life currency. Where does my argument imply pay 2 win?

Paying to get access to the game is different than paying for a particular item in Cash Shop when speaking immersion.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

By your logic of how a business works, there's no reason why this game wouldn't be BDO + subscription right now with obvious p2w mechanics. The reason that isn't the case is because there will be a massive exodus of players when SE would implement something like this, so it would be a bad business decision to do that. You could use the same reasoning with deciding between having a Cash Shop or not. A game may consider charging higher subscription (e.g. 20$/month) with the promise of never implementing a Cash Shop and may attract more players that way, since there are players who want to have such principle in their game. It's all about supply and demand.

If SE lets Cash Shop go out of hand, it will also perhaps lead to a player exodus and less players joining the game and thus it would have been a bad business decision if money lost by player decline is greater than the extra profit from Cash Shop. You can see what me and others are trying to do by being overly critical is warn SE that we will be dissatisfied and will leave the game if this does go out of hand. SE will thus perhaps be more inclined to be careful and not walk that fine line between players leaving and Cash Shop profit.

I'm sure forum complaints will indeed have minimal impact though so you may have a point with that. All else you said are cheap bashing arguments that sound eloquent but are empty of merit. I'm sure you're well aware that nobody cares about this game enough to feel entitled on actually deciding its direction. We're simply giving feedback (and our reasoning behind it).

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Honestly, you're just whining at this point. You're not being critical. You're arguing for the sake of arguing. "All else you said are cheap bashing arguments that are empty of merit" yet admitting that you said has any merit whatsoever? You're acting like this is the end of the world that there's a cash shop. Get over yourself. SE will do what they want with or without your input. Go vote with your wallet and stop playing if you're so against it, but you're not going to find another MMO to play. They all have cash shops. GLHF.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

So you're part of the 'It's optional' crowd. Fair enough. In a game that has glamour as true end-game wanting to like your best is not optional. It's part of the intended experience.

It it wasn't SE would just release the same looking gear with different stats. If nobody speaks out against these practices they'll continue to tighten their grasp. It's common business sense. Look no further than EA or Nintendo's (clumsy) steps over the years. It has happened and has been documented countless times and yet... here we are. It's sad, really.

Also, what does least intrusive even mean? I'm paying for the game and a subscription. This isn't F2P. Goes to show how indoctrinated people already are. That stuff wouldn't have flown 15 years ago.

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And yet it existed 15 years ago. Just because you pay a sub doesn't mean an MMO isn't allowed to have a cash shop. The game is not advertised as "endgame is glamour" The endgame is whatever YOU want it to be. If that happens to be glam, well then so be it. If it happens to be raids, then so be it.

Don't like the cash shop? Don't buy the items, like any other adult

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

Honestly, you're just whining at this point. You're not being critical. You're arguing for the sake of arguing. "All else you said are cheap bashing arguments that are empty of merit" yet admitting that you said has any merit whatsoever? You're acting like this is the end of the world that there's a cash shop. Get over yourself. SE will do what they want with or without your input. Go vote with your wallet and stop playing if you're so against it, but you're not going to find another MMO to play. They all have cash shops. GLHF.

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Looking back I shouldn't have make it seem like I called you a potential shilling fanboy so my apologies for that. Other than that I'm simply giving my opinion and feedback on this matter so we may respectfully agree to disagree cause we're not changing anyone's mind by bashing each other.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

Don't like the cash shop? Don't buy the items, like any other adult

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It's a forum created for giving feedback. Why do I have to explain myself to you again? lol I'm not buying it. Mainly out of principle. I'm in the fortunate position to be able to buy the whole cash shop twice over if I wanted to but history has shown us time and again where that thinking leads us. Nowadays publishers expect us to pre order after we've seen a logo or a pre rendered trailer only to give us a broken product (FO76, just to name the worst).

And may I remind you that SE actually did that with 1.0? lol I'm as grateful for YoshiP as the next player but that doesn't excuse everything.


Just because XIV isn't there yet in terms of greed doesn't mean I should applaud them for only screwing me over a little bit.

Anyway, actions speak louder than words, true, so I'll put my money where my mouth is, still not buy it and retire from this thread.

Have a good one, peeps.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

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You guys need to cut SE some slack, small indie dev company is bleeding for some cash is all.

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It has nothing to do with the event, because they didn't create it for the event. If you're compelled to own the mount, just because Spriggans were known to be apart of if it, is totally on you.

Actually it's great that we have a way to spend a bit more money on a game we love while getting something back for it. Other games sell you lootboxes, here you get what you pay for and want.

Honestly i think SE treats us consumers really fair compared to other MMOs, in BDO you pay 50 bucks for a glam, in WOW you pay also a fortune for stuff like namechange, lvl boost and so on. For me XIV never felt like a cashcow, all the stuff from the shop is optional and not a gamechanging thing.

So yeah, a company strangely wants to make money and sorry to tell you fellas but your sub doesn't pay for the world, sadly. If SE starts to sell us lootboxes and glams for 50+ bucks i can start to understand such complains.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

It's a forum created for giving feedback. Why do I have to explain myself to you again? lol I'm not buying it. Mainly out of principle. I'm in the fortunate position to be able to buy the whole cash shop twice over if I wanted to but history has shown us time and again where that thinking leads us. Nowadays publishers expect us to pre order after we've seen a logo or a pre rendered trailer only to give us a broken product (FO76, just to name the worst).

And may I remind you that SE actually did that with 1.0? lol I'm as grateful for YoshiP as the next player but that doesn't excuse everything.


Just because XIV isn't there yet in terms of greed doesn't mean I should applaud them for only screwing me over a little bit.

Anyway, actions speak louder than words, true, so I'll put my money where my mouth is, still not buy it and retire from this thread.

Have a good one, peeps.

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Forums are created to do a number of things: Feedback is just one of many things. And if you have an opinion about 1 thing, there will always be at least one person on the Opposite end of your Opinion. Life works that way, people are individuals. And its weird that people like to act as if nobody should ever question or Challenge their Opinions and views, while expecting everyone to listen to and accept theirs.
Whats with the Flex by the way?

XIV did not screw you in ANY way, Im sorry but this is a childish thing to say over a Mount being put into a Premium Store.
Just, don't buy the mount if this "Principle" thats being flung around is so important. And I do hope you follow-through and are consistent about that.
Unlike the many people who threatened to leave over other issues and are still here as active players.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

You said yourself that buying a cosmetic from Cash Shop is equivalent of "earning" it. If you were able to earn it ingame without Cash Shop it would also be "earning" it but then with ingame mechanics instead of real life currency. Where does my argument imply pay 2 win?

Paying to get access to the game is different than paying for a particular item in Cash Shop when speaking immersion.

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It comes from when people start talking about breaking out their wallets for cash shop items for things they want to have in the game while they play it. This argument would work if there were items in the cash shop that helped players win in the game. This is not the case though, which is why your argument implies it. It doesn't directly state it though, so please don't take offense to that as it is not intentional.

It is a weird argument to make in my eyes because how else are you going to make use of a cash shop item other than in the game? Unless you're proposing that cash shop be eliminated entirely, because that's just not going to happen. If you could earn everything through virtue of just playing the game, the subscription fee would skyrocket, and that isn't fair to everyone as optional items allow players choose how to allocate their disposable income. If at all.

The core of my own argument though is that they can put a RL price tag on anything that is optional. And if they do, the only way to get it is by earning the money to purchase it, or having it gifted to them. Spending real money on in game items seems to be demonized for some reason, and I don't feel it should be unless players indeed could use those items to get ahead in the game. I hope that makes sense.