Lupin - make it a playable race!

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Originally Posted by floofuf

Final Fantasy in general? Not out of place. FFXIV? Out of place. Everywhere you look in a town like Limsa Lominsa you see humans, big humans, small pointy-eared humans, big pointy-eared humans, cat-eared humans, and humans with horns. Emphasis on humans. Lupin are not human like. They are literally a beast, but more civilized. They're like the civilized beast tribes we encounter. And we don't play as those. In my opinion, they aren't very pleasant to look at because of that. They're already out of place living with humans, but oh well. Too late to change that now.

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Overthinking it.

We've had Goblins, Kobolds, Sylph's, and Moogles all be a part of MSQ as friendlies. Especially the post-moogle. Idyllshire has goblins everywhere. A similar thing exists with the Kojin.

The only reason why X is not a playable race, despite there being models in the game for, is that they don't have customization. All the beast tribes clearly have some variation on "caster, healer, lancer, ranger" but you'll notice the only thing that makes them that is their weapon. They have no other gear.

Final Fantasy in general, I'd say that it's not out of place to have playable characters that aren't fully human (see FFIX) but it would be out of place to have races that aren't "human enough"

In the context of FFXIV, I think they likely initially wanted something more like what the Lupin are, before the Au Ra became final, but decided that "yet another miqo'te" wouldn't be different enough, and the customization would be too complicated.

Like, there's exactly two models for the Lupin seen thus far, the villager, and the imperial. They have their own "random enemy NPC" just like the bandit/pirate camps in every area. The playable-races all have variety (though the majority of NPC Roe are green.)

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Overthinking it.

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Overthinking it? Heh. Yes they're in towns, but the players don't play as them, and they make up the majority of towns (unless you're in the buttcrack of Nowhereville). All those beast tribes are little, you don't see a mountain of a beast. It makes no sense that Lupin would even be a beast tribe. They're just NPCs to give the game some lore and interesting characters.

Quite frankly I don't even understand why Au Ra were added. It makes no sense because you don't see any at all in ARR, and very little in HW. If they add Lupin, they'll also suffer the same fate of not making sense lore-wise. I think they won't fit in at all with the playable races we have now.

To the people that say that we should get more humanized Lupin, that's never going to happen. It wouldn't fit in with how the current Lupin look, and would probably be just a let down. I don't see this race, or even Viera, ever getting added. If a race does get added, it's probably be Viera. They're more pleasant-looking anyways.

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Originally Posted by floofuf

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Me personally I dislike Viera, never cared for them in FFTA or FFXII. Really if they wanted to fit a new race in all we'd really need an something similar to the ARR opening with our new race in a carrage going to Eorzea and it'd feel organic. They'd be travelling and caught up in the events same as our current characters were.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Like, there's exactly two models for the Lupin seen thus far, the villager, and the imperial. They have their own "random enemy NPC" just like the bandit/pirate camps in every area. The playable-races all have variety (though the majority of NPC Roe are green.)

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another point to you is, the animation skeleton of the Lupin is shared with the male miqo'te thus there clawed stance, but using the au ra as an example with yugiri when we first met her her horns were coverd, and her tail was hidden. as features became more decided upon they edited the live model to reflect that, by making her horns non bendy (which people thought were rabbit ears) adding a tail that became longer, and so on.

this could be the same in the lupins shoes, while the model we have now is only one thing we are talking a playable race 2 years from now, and over time the lupin could change into a more fitting race of people. only time can tell.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

another point to you is, the animation skeleton of the Lupin is shared with the male miqo'te thus there clawed stance, but using the au ra as an example with yugiri when we first met her her horns were coverd, and her tail was hidden. as features became more decided upon they edited the live model to reflect that, by making her horns non bendy (which people thought were rabbit ears) adding a tail that became longer, and so on.

this could be the same in the lupins shoes, while the model we have now is only one thing we are talking a playable race 2 years from now, and over time the lupin could change into a more fitting race of people. only time can tell.

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Draco I love your sig <3

We really need a new race of some sort. Lupin or not just feels boring with all the "human" looking races.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

No I'd like to seem them too, although they would probably be best as a beast tribe

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They dont really have the same style as beast men aside from appearance, and are (in terms of IX) are proficient Dragoons with comparable cities, architecture and society. This isn't very beast men like as they seem to be more tribal whereas burmecians are a society, just my take on them at least. I feel like they would work as a playable but I wouldn't mind seeing them as a beast tribe either. Just want more Burmecians in general xD

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Originally Posted by floofuf

Final Fantasy in general? Not out of place. FFXIV? Out of place. Everywhere you look in a town like Limsa Lominsa you see humans, big humans, small pointy-eared humans, big pointy-eared humans, cat-eared humans, and humans with horns. Emphasis on humans. Lupin are not human like. They are literally a beast, but more civilized. They're like the civilized beast tribes we encounter. And we don't play as those. In my opinion, they aren't very pleasant to look at because of that. They're already out of place living with humans, but oh well. Too late to change that now.

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Limsa Lominsa is the only major city to actually have Beastmen hanging out with the human peoples. Mamool Ja in the Arcanist guild, Qiqirn merchant in market place and the goblin in the Aetheryte plaza. While not a lot, Limsa Lominsa is probably the last place to use for an argument about "out of place" races :P

I think they should go for another "small" race next.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

I think they should go for another "small" race next.

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Go for it with what? Napalm? Poison gas?

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Originally Posted by KazumaFaemura

I'll be the first to admit I'm a furry and I'm not ashamed of it. That's not the only reason I want to be a lupin though

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I am also a proud furry and gladly support this race as playable!

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

I think they should go for another "small" race next.

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"Smol" bear like race?

How about no.

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Originally Posted by Sharksandrew

We really need a new race of some sort. Lupin or not just feels boring with all the "human" looking races.

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Your character in your forum profile picture looks far from 'human' to me. How much more inhuman do you need?

I want a Golem race.

With different types of earth,wood, or rock skins.
Or Rock, Ice, Volcanic, Obsidian, Copper, quartz. Dirt/plants/etc for hair.

http://compositeeffects.com/diana/golem_views.jpg

Some ideas on crystallized skins..

http://birthstones.4t.com/images/birthstone.jpg

In different sizes:

Small

http://www.elitemgtservices.com/wp-c...ans-2-feat.jpg

Medium

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a552c21c0d.jpg

And big, well not giant but roegadyn type size lol.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YANzarcIgy4/maxresdefault.jpg

Dog girls instead please

with floppy ears so they arent literally miqote

Is this happening yet?

I would love to see how the females look. So far the Lupin animations are limited, it would be really nice to see the devs put more animation and development time to make this a playable race.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

I would love to see how the females look. So far the Lupin animations are limited, it would be really nice to see the devs put more animation and development time to make this a playable race.

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Yeah, but the fact they have some animations for the race makes it easier for them. Not to mention the base skeleton. It would be less work than something completely new. I'm not sure this would garner as much support as Viera but at least it wouldn't get the similarity argument.

I thought this died out actually, glad to see people are still in support of this.

Please no.
Rather give us more customization of existing races and higher resolution textures.
Maybe a higher polygon count ?
Before anyone screams about low end systems etc , all of course tog-able via options .

I would be all for it. Would certainly make me consider changing race, granted they only seem to have 1 color so I feel we would need to have more customization in fur colors and patterns to make up for the obvious lack of hair styles. Yet, I've also said I would be in favor of other beast races and completely drop the need for armor to appear on my character like the Amalja.

https://puu.sh/wxTXD/e2ad106691.jpg

Ill chime in to say no thanks to Lupin.

/signed

I'm for more diverse creation choices whether it be viera/lupin/ronso/etc... (although I would love to see lupin since it's already got some in game love)

Please do!

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Ill chime in to say no thanks to Lupin.

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Yeah, because screw options.

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Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

Yeah, because screw options.

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In this case, yes. Remember, this isn't just the issue of the Lupin becoming a race (Which for lore and many other reasons) is beyond dumb; many of us would MUCH rather ANYTHING or somthing else be added instead. You can bet money 5.0 will have one new race.

Yes but I would like them to look a bit more ferocious.

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

In this case, yes. Remember, this isn't just the issue of the Lupin becoming a race (Which for lore and many other reasons) is beyond dumb; many of us would MUCH rather ANYTHING or somthing else be added instead. You can bet money 5.0 will have one new race.

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I'd rather they spent time working in at least one new face option per race/tribe and the butt/cur vines slider so many have asked for. Along with some hair styles, additional color options and facial features...and above all eyebrows for Highlanders. I would prefer they consolidate and extend what we have before adding any new race, and long, long before something so beastly and 'inhuman'.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

long, long before something so beastly and 'inhuman'.

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I get it. You hate 'ugly' races. You don't have to play one. You can continue being a catgirl, and there can be other options for other players. Crazy thought, I know.

I'd love to see A Lupin race, just not what we got. Every time I'm interacting with those Lupin npcs it has some kind of uncanny valley feel to it like it's not quite where it should be.

I'm all for Lupin players but one thing that puzzles me: how would hairstles be handled? It seems like the outcry is for hairstyle equality but just imagining some current hairstyles on them... looks pretty goofy.

I'd like to see them be playable. We could do hair styles like fur and marking patterns instead. Foxy lupin.. red pandas.. then we just pick the colors.. ooooh

That said I want to know more about them.

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Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

I get it. You hate 'ugly' races. You don't have to play one. You can continue being a catgirl, and there can be other options for other players. Crazy thought, I know.

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It's not about ugly vs pretty. Roe are neither ugly, nor inhuman, though they are vastly different from Laila's. Lupin have entirely animalistic heads and from the look of their forelimbs they are ssentially bipedal wolves. To me it makes no sense that in the same world where a feline humanoid looks like a Miqo'te, a dragon/reptilian humanoid looks like an Au'ra, while a canine humanoid looks like a wolf on two legs. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I have many things in the game that I find a waste of dev resources yet I would not post for it to be gone just because I have no interest in it. (Savage content, that feature for screenshots and more) Also if we see it like that we should never have a new race at all. It takes quite the work to create it and yet the best it will do, is that people will switch from one race to the other, especially if its still human like.

You should not introduce a new race with the mind that "x amount" of people should play it. Because if you only do it when a certain amount plays it you will need either this amount in the form of new players or have people just switch to another race. (Which would make this race less played too) So if we argue like that we should never get Viera because people would just switch over anyway. This amount of work could have been used to make the existing races more diverse.

So if they ever decide to make a new race it should not be with the mind of getting x amount of players to play it but with the mind of more diversity and a really beastly race would be better for that, than just another human race with some animal additions.

Also for characterization: We only meet the Lupin in Doma, they could easily say that there are other tribes of Lupin who look a bit different. So instead of choosing a face and stuff like that you could chose a certain tribe that will come with certain features (bigger snout, different ears). Then you could still change some of those things, like the length of the tail, the color of the fur, the height of the character. Maybe give them certain body tattoos or different kind of scars. You might not be able to wear the normal hair styles but fur can be styled different too so there would be still some customization done.

For the helmet you could easily put a warning in the character creator that this race cant wear helmets. So anyone that chooses it does it in the knowledge of not being able to wear helmets. (We can get helmets but they just simply wont be shown) Make the female and male version similar (and not something where the female is cute or things like that). There is a high chance that I would change into something like that, if things like walking, emotes and stuff is looking fine too. And lets be realistic, as long as the character can punch their hands together and nod, they are fine to emote in a cutscene. We barely do anything else anyway. :rolleyes:

So even if we do not get the Lupin as a playable race I really hope that the next race is more beastly and not cute like the current ones. Otherwise you could really just put all the work into the other existing ones to create more diversity with them.

Also about them making no sense: One could argue that if they are not really existing ingame but they do and we know that they are not like the other beast tribes but they are living among the other people in Doma. And would Garlemald really use them as soldiers if they want to kill every beast tribe alive to stop summoning their primal? So it seems to me that they are not like the common beast tribe. Also lets not forget that SE did not care that much about lore when they introduced the Au Ra. So the only thing where it would feel a little off is at that time where we fought the wolf people the first time and the NPCs reacted to it. But this already happened with Au Ra WoL and Yugiri.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

For the helmet you could easily put a warning in the character creator that this race cant wear helmets. So anyone that chooses it does it in the knowledge of not being able to wear helmets. (We can get helmets but they just simply wont be shown)

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Well, as an idea, helmets may not be able to be visible, but hats and other things, such as the Bard's Choral Chapeau, which don't need to conform to a head shape could possibly still be visible, with just a change of tilt so the hats don't look like they're going down to the snout or blocking their vision entirely. Much like how only certain pieces can be adjusted with the /visor command, only certain pieces can be visible on a Lupin's head.

Hmm... I am interesting in Lupin (wolf) because I'm looking forward to becoming a playable character or a main NPC character in the story of FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Daisy

I'm all for Lupin players but one thing that puzzles me: how would hairstles be handled? It seems like the outcry is for hairstyle equality but just imagining some current hairstyles on them... looks pretty goofy.

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I'm wondering this myself, along with the facial customization. I mean...it's one thing to be different from the players playing other races. It's another entirely to make a character that "feels" like you while standing out from the other players playing the same race as you. I think that's where I and everyone else stating customization in general needs to be improved before we implement a beast-like race because they suffer from our current tools more than any other humanoid race will. I mean, could you change the snout? The mane color? I imagine tail shape is a given, but what else? There's going to be 4 face options like everyone else, I assume, so how in the world could they make them different enough while still looking wolfish?

Lupin would be this games Pandas.