Until SE makes male and female glamours equal...

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Originally Posted by Limonia

While browsing through this thread and looking at the screenshots I noticed how almost every one of the male characters has lipstick.

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If my character looks as though he does it's just a side effect of the lighting and the dark skin tone - in other words, please ask S-E ;p

(I did use dark eyeshadow though, can't get a good sunken expression without it!)

Since Eorzea has a different culture to ours, it seems like a good place to explore creative looks on characters who are probably more attractive than our real world selves, and I think it looks cute. My wife slaps on shiny electric pink lipstick in Eorzea which would never happen in real life, because it's fun to explore different looks here.

Of course in real life any guy can just walk into a chemist store and buy as much lipstick as they want, and just about every actor/musician on television is wearing the stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mikanika

... How about a 'gender-less' character option? As an example, I envision a Miqo'te character creator screen where one can go to both 'extremes', to the female and the male side we already have and everywhere in between. I can see a slider, at the left side it has 'Male', at the right side 'Female'.
The character created this way can wear both, male and female clothing.
This would actually be very cool, and, I don't think it has been done before...

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the LGBT community calls this gender fluid, they consider themselves to be both genders and sometimes neither gender. I would be all for this option if SE added it. but the likelyhood they would is not very high
trying to imagine an Au Ra genderfluid and wonder if we would get a height slider that would allow us to be as small as the smallest Au Ra Female or as tall as the tallest Au Ra Male.....still liking this idea and not seeing any disadvantages to it

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Originally Posted by Limonia

I myself have also given my (albeit female) character dark eyeshadow for example, but that's not so that she looks like she's wearing eye makeup but because it complemented the shape of her eyes to make them look a little less droopy with the female Au Ra face 1.
But with lipstick on male characters it's not something that somehow changes the face or eye shape slighty without really noticing it. It's really noticeable because it's extremely shiny. That's why I asked specifically about male characters with lipstick.

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Would like to point out that Au Ra lip colours look like lip glosses while Elezen lip colours look like matte lipsticks (on females at least). So race might have to do with it!

Personally I slapped just a touch of lip color on Lukh'a, because his natural color was too close to his skin color and his lips just kind of faded into his skin. It just looked really weird to me, even without cosmetics, lips stand out a bit! I've also changed his lip color previously for things like Halloween Costumes (I've got some nice pictures of him dressed as a Behemoth lying around that I'll probably use in here eventually), but mostly I leave the lips alone, since I don't really care for most of the colors in common use.

XD I've gotten some ribbing from FC mates over the blush I put on Lukh'a as face paint, though. I think it looks cute and healthy, but apparently some people think it makes him look like something out of a cheesy yaoi manga.

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Originally Posted by Synrin

Would like to point out that Au Ra lip colours look like lip glosses while Elezen lip colours look like matte lipsticks (on females at least). So race might have to do with it!

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It's very likely. When I roll as a male Dusky I always have a lip color on him because it just looks better to have the lips be a slightly darker color. It has never struck me as particularly shiny.

Graphics options may play into this as well. Some settings may make the shininess more visible compared to others.

By the way, I also do put eye shadow on him, usually a dark blue/green color. Because I wanted to have a pretty boy with eye shadow. :D And I do rather like androgyny, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Showcasing this adorable pleated skirt from the Flame Elite DoW set, tonight. My only regret is that it isn't dyable.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...psjv9xhpaq.png

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Wow, the Flames do have the best skirts, don't they? I might have to betray my lifelong allegiance to the Adders once I go back to male...

Im totally against this.

SJW's are spreading to this game too? damn...go away you vulture.

I will say that I'm the last person who would ever glamor my male Aura into a dress, but I do feel that everyone deserves to express themselves the way they want to. I mean, it's a video game after all. If these glamors bother you, then youre probably paying too close attention to them. That being said, there is one female outfit that I wish males could have and that's the Oasis Tunic. It never struck me as highly feminine and I always wanted it for my ninja. I support this thread simply because it's a video game and it shouldn't be a big deal. I've always thought that some people in this game spend way too much time caring about what others are doing.

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Originally Posted by Keikun

Im totally against this.

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

SJW's are spreading to this game too? damn...go away you vulture.

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"STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!"

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Originally Posted by Keikun

Im totally against this.

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That's fine. I just hope that everyone who thinks the same way revolts equally in the thread where female characters demand, for example, Aymeric's armour and hair.

Also, this doesn't have to be extreme, not all dresses etc, at least hairstyles and other 'innocent' things.

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

SJW's are spreading to this game too? damn...go away you vulture.

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Who are you talking to? O_o

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

It'll never stop.
Think of it like: Wars exists because one person doesn't like what someone likes.

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I see it more along the lines of me going in to the Lala picture thread and saying "I don't like Lalas."

Could I? Technically.
Should I? Not really.

and on topic -

http://i.imgur.com/Bu4nOhT.png

the blm pvp top is 100% magical girl and I love it so.

[QUOTE=Lukha;4112483]

Oooh, I was rocking that top for a while, but it looks better on you, I think. It works really nicely on Au Ra proportions.

TY ^^ must be the hourglass figure male au ras have XD

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Originally Posted by Keikun

Im totally against this.

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Why don't you like fun!?

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

SJW's are spreading to this game too? damn...go away you vulture.

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I don't think you understand what that term means exactly, so I'm going to let that slide even though it's really insulting. This definitely isn't about social justice, it's about fairness and male characters getting the same amount of content for the same subscription fee female characters pay.

I'm not even necessarily saying we want more 'girly' outfits on our male characters, and a lot of these outfits are not things I would normally wear in-game; I usually prefer to go for an elegant or cutely boyish appeal, honestly. But I am making a point here, that you can't actually justify giving male characters fewer items with the rationale that some of them are 'just too girly', given how amazingly feminine I can make my character look with the items we already have available in-game.

Tonight's feature is the exceptionally manly, Shiva-inspired Hailstorm gear.

http://i.imgur.com/2kE29bd.png
http://i.imgur.com/7h5WBcF.png

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Tonight's feature is the exceptionally manly, Shiva-inspired Hailstorm gear.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...ps6qkbttoi.png
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...psmvfhbglw.png

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You are rocking this set so good that I might consider going for it too as glam now.. o:

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Originally Posted by Synrin

You are rocking this set so good that I might consider going for it too as glam now.. o:

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Thank you! I actually like it a lot more without the gloves - they're just a bit too flared at the top, and they hide how great the asymmetrical sleeves look. Those sleeves alone would be enough to keep at least the body in my glamour chest for years to come, but it really is just an all around lovely piece.

thing is i wear whatever i fancy at the time if its business themed i'll go after suits, want plate armour got it, want to prance about having fun wearing next to nothing sure can but there are some items that just make no sense to lock behind 1 gender and it just gets insulting when they add multiple sets females can wear but males get 1, its just double standards, this is why i support this thread wholeheartily either make some sets gender neutral or offer males the same amount of unique male only glams as there are female only glams and idm if there are some male only items that become neutral so long as they keep a balance between the amount each gender gets.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

....so long as they keep a balance between the amount each gender gets.

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I absolutely agree, it's the same thing with hairstyles.. The over-done Elvis hair is both female and male... I would understand for males but for females too? Such things they make unisex, okay, but why wouldn't they do the same with Lightning, Snow, or Aymeric hair? New Y'shtola's hair on a male Au Ra would be amazing! Aymeric's hair is no different than a lot of 'anime' hairstyles they've given to both genders... So what is the issue? Just like Strife's outfit is unisex, why aren't the others unisex too for cosplay and giggles? SO many questions >_>

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Originally Posted by Keikun

Im totally against this.

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That's okay. Just don't wear masculine clothes then, I guess?

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

SJW's are spreading to this game too? damn...go away you vulture.

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"You can't play this game, I don't like the way you want to play" Just blacklist and go back to being a popoto.

There's already an abundance of threads designed to show off one's character, both in terms of a 'catch all' thread for every playable race and specific threads to cater to those wishing to show off individual races.

Here's but a handful of examples:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ll-Races%21%29

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Hyur%21%21%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...your-Elezen%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Miqo-te-%21%21

As for raising awareness about the 'issue' of gender locked equipment there's an abundance of existing threads for that as well.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

As for raising awareness about the 'issue' of gender locked equipment there's an abundance of existing threads for that as well.

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You misunderstood. We aren't showing off anything. We are making a point that there already is things that do not look unisex but are unlocked for both races, unlike certain other items. Same with hairstyles, makeup etc. And the 'abundance of threads' you mentioned, I can't really find any that are as active as this one, apart from the IC post written by a role-player who got upset over impulse purchasing a locked item that they cannot glamour. : ) Thanks for the input though!

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Personally I slapped just a touch of lip color on Lukh'a, because his natural color was too close to his skin color and his lips just kind of faded into his skin. It just looked really weird to me, even without cosmetics, lips stand out a bit!

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While that is true, the lip color option sadly looks like gloss on male Miqo'te (and most other races, at least to me).
When I first created a male character (who was a male Miqo'te) I also thought that it looks weird that the lip color was almost the same as the skin color because lips naturally are more reddish / pinkish than the rest of the skin, so I would have given him lip color too. But I already knew from my female character that in a lot of lighting the lips almost look like they're chromed, especially in dungeons with dark or evil lighting. So I just went with the default no lip color. xD
(Also, look at the picture you posted where your character is standing next to two NPC ladies in Ishgard. His lips shine more than female NPCs' lips. Hehe. ^^)

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I think the default lip "color" of male (and also many female) characters is the almost the same as the skin color because of the anime style of the game. In most animes lips are also colorless, in some of them female characters have lip color but most times they only have lip color when it's a character that actually IS wearing lipstick.

I wished there was a dull option for lip colors in the character creator, that would be nice! But unfortunately we won't get any more options anytime soon. ><

So, I've been enjoying this thread since its creation and I have wanted to support it in someway but I am way too poor to justify buying a fantasia to switch genders for screens right now :x so I was wondering, would it be cool for a female character to post screens in more masculine gear? Such as, for the longest time I've had my monk looking like a Greaser ala the Fonz and such. Slicked back hair, using the dun scaith monk jacket with leather pants and boots. Though recently I switched things up but I can easily recreate the look. If not that's cool, I just wanted to ask.

But keep this up, these glams are absolutely lovely and gorgeous :D

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Originally Posted by StarRosie

So, I've been enjoying this thread since its creation and I have wanted to support it in someway but I am way too poor to justify buying a fantasia to switch genders for screens right now :x so I was wondering, would it be cool for a female character to post screens in more masculine gear? Such as, for the longest time I've had my monk looking like a Greaser ala the Fonz and such. Slicked back hair, using the dun scaith monk jacket with leather pants and boots. Though recently I switched things up but I can easily recreate the look. If not that's cool, I just wanted to ask.

But keep this up, these glams are absolutely lovely and gorgeous :D

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sure go for it :D thx for support ^^

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Originally Posted by StarRosie

I was wondering, would it be cool for a female character to post screens in more masculine gear? Such as, for the longest time I've had my monk looking like a Greaser ala the Fonz and such. Slicked back hair, using the dun scaith monk jacket with leather pants and boots. Though recently I switched things up but I can easily recreate the look. If not that's cool, I just wanted to ask.

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Go for it! There are plenty of reasons a person with a female character might want to join in (solidarity, liking the look of guys in pretty clothes, wanting to allow more unisex clothing for everyone because your character looks good dressed in masculine fashion, wishing that some of those two-piece dresses were separate items like the Riviera dress versus the male-only shirt etc...)

Given that the 'solution' to the female-only + unisex nonsense was to start locking cash shop NPC costumes and hair styles which could easily be unisex, players with female characters have every right to campaign as well to register their displeasure at unnecessary restrictions.

(Also, a greaser monk sounds plain awesome. I did a gang leader style glamour once for my WHM and another guy, a complete stranger, came up and bowed to me then started following me around calling me 'aniki' for half an hour...)

Sorry if they are a little thrown together! It's...kinda cause they are and I'm not the best at sudden screenshots! :p

http://i.imgur.com/qJmHjog.png

http://i.imgur.com/Cq8l8t6.png

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http://i.imgur.com/hrsUyv8.png

Hey everyone, luka ask me to post this on her behalf

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Hi everyone, sorry for the missed updates! It looks like I might not be able to post again until the end of the month (I wish they would at least tell me what I did!), but I promise I'll be back as soon as I can.

I would love it if this thread stayed active while I'm gone. Seeing everyone's comments and super cute pictures will make me happy even if I can't comment for a while. Absolutely anyone is welcome, especially if they're as cute as your monk, StarRosie. Thank you for the support!

See you on the first!

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:\ Uncool, SE.

This has been a great thread. Keep the awesome glamours coming and show SE that gender restrictions are silly!

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Originally Posted by Synrin

That's fine. I just hope that everyone who thinks the same way revolts equally in the thread where female characters demand, for example, Aymeric's armour and hair.

Also, this doesn't have to be extreme, not all dresses etc, at least hairstyles and other 'innocent' things.

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Males can keep Aymerics ugly armor. Find it funny as heck that people are buying it just for his hair on female characters.

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Originally Posted by Slirith

Males can keep Aymerics ugly armor. Find it funny as heck that people are buying it just for his hair on female characters.

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Meanwhile I can't get the Y'shtola's bob as a male.... Hence the thread.

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Originally Posted by StarRosie

so I was wondering, would it be cool for a female character to post screens in more masculine gear? Such as, for the longest time I've had my monk looking like a Greaser ala the Fonz and such. Slicked back hair, using the dun scaith monk jacket with leather pants and boots. Though recently I switched things up but I can easily recreate the look. If not that's cool, I just wanted to ask.

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HELL YEAH! That's what this thread is about! We absolutely need more female characters in 'masculine' glamours!

I fully support this thread! I look forward to your return, Lukha and your screenshots (and everyone else's too)! Here is my dapper Elezen :)
http://i.imgur.com/PWe2hMH.png

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Originally Posted by Naunet

:\ Uncool, SE.

This has been a great thread. Keep the awesome glamours coming and show SE that gender restrictions are silly!

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I agree. My character is traditionally girly so she doesn't really belong here, but I've been loving checking this thread every few days for updates to see what kind of wicked looks everyone can create.

I have no male character to support with but will a pic of Joseph Joestar count? <3

(total support for release of (just about) all genderlocking)
http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/In...dbf8d32e0d.png

Again it has been a while but now I do have some new screenshots to share :3

http://i.imgur.com/P2UgIMQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RkoLmx3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JrsvpuW.png

While I try to figure out the next outfit to make for my Roe, I thought I might give it a try with my low level Lala alt:

https://i.imgur.com/M8s2bWz.jpg

His face is a bit dirty, but the skirt is pretty on point, no? :D

So I have the answer to this whole problem:

Dear SE,

When making future glam gear, keep doing what you've done recently: Sets that are modeled on everything upon release. This gives EVERYONE more options. Those that complain can learn to deal crossdressing and any other fashion issues. The MAJORITY OF THE PLAYER BASE WANTS more options on both genders. Chip away at the old pieces as you will, but no more gender exclusive glamour gear.

Sincerely,
The civil fashion stars of Eorzea

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

The MAJORITY OF THE PLAYER BASE WANTS more options on both genders.

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Can I see your poll of the entire player base on this issue ?

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Those that complain can learn to deal crossdressing and any other fashion issues. The MAJORITY OF THE PLAYER BASE WANTS more options on both genders.

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That's a bold statement considering someone on the first page respectfully disagreeing got more likes than the OP. I mean, I would like some kind of cosmetic wings in the game but telling other people to just "deal with it" isn't going to convince them why changing the aesthetic of the game to something they find tacky is a good idea.