Dps As Healer

People need to stop telling others how toplay in general, there is a kick option for a reason people use it and shut up!

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Originally Posted by Vorx

People need to stop telling others how toplay in general, there is a kick option for a reason people use it and shut up!

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Looks like the thread is coming to an end as the conversation is starting to degrade.

Let's Nerf healer dps! :o Make cleric stance give no bonus besides the int switch.

Yoshida remove CS pls!

Restore all healers offensive magics base on MND, no more CS is needed !!

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Let's Nerf healer dps! :o Make cleric stance give no bonus besides the int switch.

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Even with a 10% reduction my WHM will still outDPS the average DF DPS on trash. That isn't much of a nerf.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Let's Nerf healer dps! :o Make cleric stance give no bonus besides the int switch.

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That's not going to change teh conversation at all, though?

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Yoshida remove CS pls!

Restore all healers offensive magics base on MND, no more CS is needed !!

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You do realize this will only make people want healers to DPS even more right?
Cleric Stance is working as an excuse healers can use for not dpsing. Remove it, and you'll really have to answer to why you're not utilizing your DPS spells.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Given the push towards higher DPS, I have to wonder if survivability would pull ahead. Perhaps we classify midcore groups differently since what I would attribute to midcore is pushing mechanics and high DPS whereas hardcore is dedicated to the current meta, speed killing and world prog.

In any case, we likely won't agree. Nonetheless, I do appreciate the back and forth o different perspectives. :)

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Yeah it was a good discussion for sure :D

I guess my idea of midcore might be different than yours...maybe semi-casual raid groups is a better term? The groups that might clear the raid tier but take 3+ months to do it for example.

Like I would consider my group semi-casual or midcore especially since we only run two times a week for only 2-3 hours. I kind of consider semi-casual and midcore to be interchangeable though because they are both in the middle between hardcore raid group and casual group who doesn't raid at all, but that is just my definitions of it.

Well I wonder as well, but the main thing was this isn't without precedent since AST had weaker heals at release and people wouldn't take them.

If my main function is to heal I don't want to be more stressed at my main function than the other healers. I shouldn't have to be more stressed healing than other healers either just because SE happen to give me cards, tbh its completely unfair and I would likely quit AST and maybe just quit the game because SE decided to ruin my favourite job.

I almost quit at HW because I was ostracized for playing an AST, but I still wanted to play with my boyfriend so I settled for switching back to WHM in the hopes they would do something for AST and gladly they did.

Now I know the situation is unfair right now for WHM which is why I agree with some nerfs and/or some buffs, but nerfing AST healing potency to fix WHM is just swapping the unfairness back around on AST.

IF WHMs are being ostracized (I don't ever see it tbh..but) then they should know now how ASTs felt at HW release and really they shouldn't want to do that to ASTs again since they would understand how much it sucks to be told no or locked out of a group solely for playing the job you like.

If it is true that AST and WHM have both been in the same shoes at one point then you really shouldn't want to send AST back to the point where they would be ostracized again for not being able to do their primary function of healing as reliably as WHM and SCH.

There is precedent for it to happen; it isn't just fear mongering since it happened before and the main reason was their heals were too weak to rely on ASTs. SE also confirmed they made AST too weak compared to WHM and SCH and I highly doubt they would revert the buffs now.

That's just my last words on it to try to explain why I feel the way I do and why I think there must be a better way to fix this than nerfing ASTs healing potency. People who love WHM as their favourite job that's great, but you have to realize people love AST as their favourite job too so like I don't want to hurt WHMs, but I also don't want people to hurt AST either. So hopefully SE can make WHM shine brighter without sending AST back to the dark ages to do it.

Next 30 page Healer DPS debate will be in 14 days.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Oh, no. I didn't intend to insinuate otherwise. Her jumping around was meant to showcase how little healing was required.

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My apologies if I implied that you had any other intention. The main thing I wanted to point out was I believe that healer in the video was establishing the same point you are, hence all the goofing off, which if any healer actually did this, I find it extremely insulting.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Actually, I wished your video. The tank didn't rotate cooldowns and you didn't have Regen on them. That being said, mistakes happen and I would happily accept a wipe from a healing attempting to balance Cleric than one standing around.

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Thanks for watching! Despite the feedback, I still take accountability for that wipe. At least some of it anyway. But what you said that is interesting is how accepting you are of wipes if healers are trying to optimize. I agree with this 100%, and even though there are players/groups who will kick a DPSing healer, I believe this is the mindset of most FFXIV players. That said, hopefully more healers will acknowledge this as well to help get them to pull the trigger on cleric.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

No one has suggested healing is a dichotomy. You will always have to adjust based on groups you're running with. The criticism derives from healers who won't DPS on principle. The "I'm a healer, not a DPS. You should just do more damage," nonsense. The idea is to always be casting.

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I fully understand. Though it has been rare for me to group with such healers (I almost always main heal), I know they're out there. The issue I have though is why some players let it get to them so much. I know it's frustrating to see them standing around while everyone else is playing, but how it just burns them up so much. I know some players threaten to kick and harass the healer before even asking them to try and DPS. This is every bit as poor etiquette as emoting/jumping healer. The debates are fine, and even interesting. But that kind of behavior from the extremes of both sides of this spectrum is just not ok.

But yes, I think you and I are on the same page :)

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Next 30 page Healer DPS debate will be in 14 days.

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Gonna hold you to that ;)

What do healers who don't dps when they don't need to heal do? Just stand there and stare at the screen stupidly?

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Originally Posted by New_Game_Plus

What do healers who don't dps when they don't need to heal do? Just stand there and stare at the screen stupidly?

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Be social and have fun! That's what I do with 3 of my teammates after a long raid night. We do the expert, talk on Discord and clear the place. I do the healing, the two dps do their thing and our tank pulls to the stop. We don't worry about big numbers or sick crits, we just have fun talking during our clear. We kinda do it on autopilot too, ask us what we did a few moments ago and we're like... uhhh...we killed stuff? LOL!

Sometimes having fun isn't about doing huge numbers, perfect optimization or being the best you can be, but rather enjoying the journey with some nice people who decided to join you.

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Originally Posted by New_Game_Plus

What do healers who don't dps when they don't need to heal do? Just stand there and stare at the screen stupidly?

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Spam the /slap emote on enemies.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Spam the /slap emote on enemies.

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Slap? I think you mean dote.

The power of love will save us all.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

And thus began the Second War of the Magi... those who wanted to dps vs those who wanted to heal only.

In other news, Noble Knight Haurchefant dies while healer looks on, stuck in Cleric Stance and unable to heal him. Film at 11...

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Nooooooo! It was my fault .....?!