The new concept screenshot is a real-time in-game render!

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10-20-2011, 04:44 AM
Alerith

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Originally Posted by Resty

Bleh, i hate it. I hate the fact that the screen is 50% toolbar crap, I hate the fact it looks like you're playing in a landscape painting, and I mostly hate that it looks like the screen of some WoW player that downloaded every possible UI they could find to make the game easier.

I hate the fact that people complain about stuff YOU CAN CHANGE, REMOVE OR RESIZE.
10-20-2011, 04:47 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Venat

Seems kinda more concept then actual game.
Screen looks very cludered with options.

Ingame stuff seems overdone to be made more for the photo then for the game.

Few things I dislike about the photo is attack number "font" display.

The interface is the more concept look you're thinking of, the rest though you could tell is real time rendered, especially if you compare how the Chimera model looks. If you load up models in a view (from any engine) they don't look as good compared to if you were to look at it in game with all shaders and etc applied.
10-20-2011, 04:49 AM
Reinheart

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I hate the fact that people complain about stuff YOU CAN CHANGE, REMOVE OR RESIZE.

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

I don't get why people complain with just one small info and not looking at the big picture by looking/reading other information devs has provided...
10-20-2011, 04:49 AM
Tezz_Xivectro

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I hate the fact that people complain about stuff YOU CAN CHANGE, REMOVE OR RESIZE.

As someone who also hates clutter. So obviously, This.

It's like some of you think everything is as it is & will never be anything more or less.
10-20-2011, 04:51 AM
Zenaku

People have the right to complain because a lot of people can see the diff from 1.0 and 2.0 FFXIV and that how the game going to look then 1.0 look better all 1.0 need is more color and more life and it be good enough but i guess w/e i get use too it but i hope they can make it look better by 2.0 come out.
10-20-2011, 04:56 AM
Resty

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I hate the fact that people complain about stuff YOU CAN CHANGE, REMOVE OR RESIZE.

I said I hated it, I'm allowed to hate whatever I want. I bought a totally different game and spent a considerable amount of money to run the awesome graphics, it's my right to complain about anything in a bait and switch scenerio.

And YOU don't know what can't be removed/replaced in that screenshot anymore than I know what can.
10-20-2011, 07:13 AM
Gennosuke

Wow.. simply amazing, love the fact that the shot is real in-game rendering. Very excited ...
So much better than the crap we got now.

FFXIV may well be kickass afterall.. Cant wait.
Bring it on SE !
10-20-2011, 07:52 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Gennosuke

Wow.. simply amazing, love the fact that the shot is real in-game rendering. Very excited ...
So much better than the crap we got now.

FFXIV may well be kickass afterall.. Cant wait.
Bring it on SE !

See maybe i just blind but you do understand that the game look better now then on that screenshot right? the only thing that look nice is the Mob and the chocobo everything else look bad but w/e maybe it just one screenshot and not really high setting.
10-20-2011, 07:54 AM
Answa

To all you people saying "it looks terrible", "doesn't look real", "UI too much" (lol! It looks the same as it does now but more clean), I say:

kbye. See you never!
10-20-2011, 08:00 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Answa

To all you people saying "it looks terrible", "doesn't look real", "UI too much" (lol! It looks the same as it does now but more clean), I say:

kbye. See you never!

we wait and see when we get more Screenshot
10-20-2011, 08:06 AM
Reinheart

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

See maybe i just blind but you do understand that the game look better now then on that screenshot right? the only thing that look nice is the Mob and the chocobo everything else look bad but w/e maybe it just one screenshot and not really high setting.

Sorry Zen but why the hell are you jumping at everyone saying this looks cool? LOL
This is a forum, everyone can say their opinion, we heard yours clearly so let others speak also.
10-20-2011, 08:10 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Sorry Zen but why the hell are you jumping at everyone saying this looks cool? LOL
This is a forum, everyone can say their opinion, we heard yours clearly so let others speak also.

Ya sorry i just don't see it lol and trying to understand other opinion looking at FFXIV now and that pic i just don't see any upgrade more like a downgrade the only thing i see is more color and clear but ffxiv now look more natural but talking about the char not the overall area.
10-20-2011, 08:26 AM
Synfrag

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

People have the right to complain because a lot of people can see the diff from 1.0 and 2.0 FFXIV and that how the game going to look then 1.0 look better all 1.0 need is more color and more life and it be good enough but i guess w/e i get use too it but i hope they can make it look better by 2.0 come out.

Sorry to burst your bubble but 1.x looks like shat! Unless you can run absolute max settings at 1080 or higher which 99% of people can't then it's graphics engine falls flat. Gaining some understanding in technology could help you. You have to see beyond the image to understand what we are getting.

P.S. Please take some English lessons or buy Rosetta Stone, your grammar hurts my brain.
10-20-2011, 08:29 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Synfrag

Sorry to burst your bubble but 1.x looks like shat! Unless you can run absolute max settings at 1080 or higher which 99% of people can't then it's graphics engine falls flat. Gaining some understanding in technology could help you. You have to see beyond the image to understand what we are getting.

P.S. Please take some English lessons or buy Rosetta Stone, your grammar hurts my brain.

No need to be rude i play my X4 and everything on standard and texture quality and texture filtering at high. The grammar that part is getting old i think i said it a few time on here that i'm LD but then people go on making fun of me saying i'm lazy. But i'm sorry my grammar hurt your brain next time just don't read my post or block me so it help you out better.
10-20-2011, 08:38 AM
Answa

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

No need to be rude i play my X4 and everything on standard and texture quality and texture filtering at high. The grammar that part is getting old i think i said it a few time on here that i'm LD but then people go on making fun of me saying i'm lazy. But i'm sorry my grammar hurt your brain next time just don't read my post or block me so it help you out better.

Your grammar is actually fine, though I do not know what LD is, all I know is you just need a couple of commas to divide up your thoughts better. Overall, you're readable and understandtable but it would help.

On topic, let's just agree to disagree. Your thoughts about aesthetics are all over this thread already and you're just repeating yourself. A lot.
10-20-2011, 08:40 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Answa

Your grammar is actually fine, though I do not know what LD is, all I know is you just need a couple of commas to divide up your thoughts better. Overall, you're readable and understandtable but it would help.

On topic, let's just agree to disagree. Your thoughts about aesthetics are all over this thread already and you're just repeating yourself. A lot.

Ya i know just worry the look of 1.0 and 2.0 but i agree it look good not saying it bad but the char on 1.0 look little better then 2.0

I hope that just low setting and not really high setting i'm hoping for the best.
10-20-2011, 08:59 AM
Jynx

I personally would like to see more before I judge the new Graphics engine, it looks better but it also looks like it's been Photoshoped a good deal to get more depth and colour than exists in the image...but who knows.

I'd love to see a video of the new engine when it's ready, E3 next year will be big for me.
10-20-2011, 09:57 AM
Betelgeuzah

I think its great that they have someone in charge of providing real quality control. I mean, if no one in the team has played other MMOs Yoshida has and he knows exactly what the level of performance they need to achieve to compete against the widely used engines and servers out there. I still hope that the engine will show some personality though, as I think its easy to notice that most newer MMOs operate under the same engine and that kinda waters down the "new game" vibe for me.
10-20-2011, 10:01 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

I think its great that they have someone in charge of providing real quality control. I mean, if no one in the team has played other MMOs Yoshida has and he knows exactly what the level of performance they need to achieve to compete against the widely used engines and servers out there. I still hope that the engine will show some personality though, as I think its easy to notice that most newer MMOs operate under the same engine and that kinda waters down the "new game" vibe for me.

To be fair! They do modify the Unreal engine slightly to fit their game better!

...

Seriously though, that's the main reason I was looking forward to XIV, an MMO running on a different engine, especially a cinematic engine.
10-20-2011, 08:39 PM
TessaJalloh

the thread was a little TL/DR but i thought i'd just clear something up for everyone, the box in the bottom right with the green and red squares, is a packet meter, showing connection information in a manner that most people would disregard. it's basically the send Recieve bar with some steroids in it's system.
10-20-2011, 08:46 PM
Ruisu

The image isn't even in HD. Of course it's going to have clutter.
10-20-2011, 08:55 PM
Antipika

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

the thread was a little TL/DR but i thought i'd just clear something up for everyone, the box in the bottom right with the green and red squares, is a packet meter, showing connection information in a manner that most people would disregard. it's basically the send Recieve bar with some steroids in it's system.

No reason for a packet meter to look like this. We aren't even sure if this was taken in a "real in-game situation". I hardly doubt that the client was running on several machine, all connected to the same server, that the whole map was generated, etc.

Even if Yoshida confirmed that this was a screenshot taken from an in-game scene, it could simple have been a static scene that took 20 minutes to get generated on screen. The UI and everything else just got photoshopped and added afterwards to basically show what they -intend- to do, rather than -what they already have done now-.
10-20-2011, 09:10 PM
Teth

I'm reserving judgement we don't know what the original resolution that is running in was or if it was PS3 or PC. It is also very heavily compressed.

My concern is that it confirms my worst fears. Lower polygon models, lower detail textures dressed up with shaders and post processing. Which will look geat from your couch on PS3 but terrible from 18 inches away on a 1920x1200 PC monitor.

The UI looks like a big step tho. Allot can change between now and October tho so lets wait and see :)
10-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Nuru

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Ya sorry i just don't see it lol and trying to understand other opinion looking at FFXIV now and that pic i just don't see any upgrade more like a downgrade the only thing i see is more color and clear but ffxiv now look more natural but talking about the char not the overall area.

This is what you have to understand. First of all, you may just be blabbering about the way the UI looks. For god knows that may not even be the default UI, maybe intended to show off a custom made UI. Secondly, they are custom anyways, you will be able to change the look.

If you are talking about the graphics, have a peek at the background. Kinda dark and gloomy right? Well it looks like they are fighting where the sun don't shine, so perhaps the "realism" in this pic is that they are fighting under "real" shade.

Also, you say you hate it now, and people say they love it, but we still have yet to really see what is behind the curtain, so you have no excuses to be wondering why people like what they see. Thats that, let people live for goodness sake.
10-20-2011, 10:58 PM
ellohwell

They say they don't even have a graphics engine and yet claim this is in-game render...

I don't even understand how that's supposed to be consistent.
10-20-2011, 11:02 PM
Velhart

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

They say they don't even have a graphics engine and yet claim this is in-game render...

I don't even understand how that's supposed to be consistent.

What makes you think that? I am pretty sure their graphics engine is done. If they had an engine they were in the process of and didn't know if it would work or not, they wouldn't have announced it.
10-20-2011, 11:30 PM
TessaJalloh

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Originally Posted by Antipika

No reason for a packet meter to look like this. We aren't even sure if this was taken in a "real in-game situation". I hardly doubt that the client was running on several machine, all connected to the same server, that the whole map was generated, etc.

Even if Yoshida confirmed that this was a screenshot taken from an in-game scene, it could simple have been a static scene that took 20 minutes to get generated on screen. The UI and everything else just got photoshopped and added afterwards to basically show what they -intend- to do, rather than -what they already have done now-.

Aye, i never said it was anything beyond a concept ui with stuff rendered on the graphics engine to go under it. So i suppose what i should have said is that they're proposing doing away with the old S/R and putting a packet monitor in instead. a simple coloured ping icon would suffice for most people though.
10-21-2011, 01:04 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Velhart

What makes you think that? I am pretty sure their graphics engine is done. If they had an engine they were in the process of and didn't know if it would work or not, they wouldn't have announced it.

Even though English is my second language, I'm pretty sure "going to have a new graphics engine" generally means that it's what is featured for the new client, not that it doesn't exist yet.
10-21-2011, 01:23 AM
Velhart

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Even though English is my second language, I'm pretty sure "going to have a new graphics engine" generally means that it's what is featured for the new client, not that it doesn't exist yet.

I think "done" was the incorrect word to use. More like, a viable graphics engine is being set in place. If I was a developer, I wouldn't tell my customers we are using a new graphics engine if I was not currently in development with it.
10-21-2011, 01:26 AM
Betelgeuzah

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I think "done" was the incorrect word to use. More like, a viable graphics engine is being set in place. If I was a developer, I wouldn't tell my customers we are using a new graphics engine if I was not currently in development with it.

One of the pdf's is pretty clear about it. The engine is about 2/3rds complete and is estimated to be ready by December.

The assets, though, are not being developed yet (aside from concept mock-ups). I don't think the difference will be that huge in that regard though.
10-21-2011, 01:37 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I think "done" was the incorrect word to use. More like, a viable graphics engine is being set in place. If I was a developer, I wouldn't tell my customers we are using a new graphics engine if I was not currently in development with it.

Yep, they also don't take long to have a usable build. The only reason you don't see other developers making new engines is because Unreal for example is already made and does everything you can want, but they don't at all take TOO terribly long to make, especially when it was stated they've been at it since at least April of 2010.
10-21-2011, 01:48 AM
Betelgeuzah

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

especially when it was stated they've been at it since at least April of 2010.

Been at what? The new engine was planned in jan-march 2011, development started in april '11 (or may?) . The pdf clearly states this.
10-21-2011, 01:50 AM
Answa

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Been at what? The new engine was planned in jan-march 2011, development started in april '11 (or may?) . The pdf clearly states this.

That was probably a brainfart.
10-21-2011, 01:54 AM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Answa

That was probably a brainfart.

Yeah, meant 2011, April 2010 was a project I'm working on xD.
10-21-2011, 02:02 AM
Synfrag

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

They say they don't even have a graphics engine and yet claim this is in-game render...

I don't even understand how that's supposed to be consistent.

From the Bluegartr interview regarding the UI Dev Kit:
Ragns (BG): When should we be expecting to see this? (The addon dev kit)
SE:We could start now, but we're using SQWT and the situation is that it's such a mess that it's something that players would not be able to work well with. We want to streamline things to make it easy for players so we can get the best addons from the players.

This response sounds like it implies that everything is functional but not optimized or ready for the general public. I don't remember reading anywhere that they don't have a graphics engine.
10-21-2011, 02:06 AM
Jinko

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Originally Posted by Resty

Bleh, i hate it. I hate the fact that the screen is 50% toolbar crap, I hate the fact it looks like you're playing in a landscape painting, and I mostly hate that it looks like the screen of some WoW player that downloaded every possible UI they could find to make the game easier.

What part do you not understand when they say the UI will be fully customisable ?? !! ? ?! ?! ?
10-21-2011, 02:17 AM
Picoman

Haven't visited this thread in a while, (mainly due to having to read Zenaku every 2nd post) but if bottom right is a packet monitor then ill eat my iPhone.

Ive got a feeling that it is a Mannequin switching system.
10-21-2011, 03:11 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Picoman

Ive got a feeling that it is a Mannequin switching system.

Um what? The colored squares is a Mannequin switching system, huh?

So they are redesigning the UI then adding squares to switch gear... oh and like 100 squares at at that. Seems a bit illogical.
10-21-2011, 03:25 AM
Answa

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Um what? The colored squares is a Mannequin switching system, huh?

So they are redesigning the UI then adding squares to switch gear... oh and like 100 squares at at that. Seems a bit illogical.

While I'm not defending or striking down the notion just yet, there are 7 grids, each one with an assortments of dots that number exactly 25 (except for the one on the lower left). Each one of these grids could be an equip set for one job.
10-21-2011, 03:26 AM
Jinko

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Originally Posted by Picoman

Haven't visited this thread in a while, (mainly due to having to read Zenaku every 2nd post) but if bottom right is a packet monitor then ill eat my iPhone.

Ive got a feeling that it is a Mannequin switching system.

I bet its inventory/bag space.

Although im not sure why they dont just have numerical value. ??/100

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