SIGN if you Hate PVP GC Restriction & Want Change

I find it hilarious they waste man power and money on developing pvp in this game and then restrict it so it's impractical to even queue up for. It's like spending money on a car but then parking it 5 blocks away and walking to it in the morning when you could just park it in your driveway. It literally blows my mind... They could fix pvp with such a small change but refuse to do it.

Consider it signed

I completely agree.

Signed!

They could keep GC's in pvp but separate rank from it to be individual pvp rank not tied to GC's, that way you can swap GC's every 15days if you so choose while still keeping your pvp rank as it is. Its the loss of pvp rank that pigeonholes me to my current GC, as i could care less what GC i represent when doing pvp.

Signed. Would make it much more accessible.

gc restriction needs to go. signed

We're not done bugging you about this, SE!

Lore-wise, there should not even be a grab for "the thing" by the GCs competing.
Lore-wise, we got the Moneylenders of Ul'dah making a grab for "the thing".
Technically, signing up as mercenaries under the flag of a Moneylender faction would be much more in-line with the lore than current GC setup.
Technically, it would be a 2-3 front depending on signup from people (why 3v3? 2v2 always better, throwing in a 3v3 once in a while would just force people to think outside the box, keep things fresh, whatever).

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

over 250 likes- we need a dev response or something - they say they listen and want our feedback - well the time is now.

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The fact that they haven't posted anything doesn't means they're not listening or that they're not paying attention to our feedback.

It's up to them to determine when the time is. Maybe they simply don't have anything to share at the moment. Perhaps there are technical hindrances that make this more difficult, and they don't want to promise anything now that they can't deliver on later.

Demanding that they respond and telling them what they need to do isn't really adding anything constructive to the conversation though.

I'd only agree to RedvsBluevsYellow if the queue formula took into consideration the GC you're enlisted to as a factor. If you're #Maelstrom, you'd be queued for Red unless red is full, then you'd be placed on Blue or Yellow, whichever has spots. That would lower queue times while trying to adhere to the GC lore as best as they can.

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Originally Posted by Ibi

The fact that they haven't posted anything doesn't means they're not listening or that they're not paying attention to our feedback.

It's up to them to determine when the time is. Maybe they simply don't have anything to share at the moment. Perhaps there are technical hindrances that make this more difficult, and they don't want to promise anything now that they can't deliver on later.

Demanding that they respond and telling them what they need to do isn't really adding anything constructive to the conversation though.

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But it's funny that reps pop up at totally random requests like "Add Terra's theme while riding the magitek armor" or "add a campfire minion". Those really got my attention and since then I've been thinking this:

Seems to me the reps are players too and they reply and pass feedback according mostly to their personal preferences for what they want changed/implemented into the game. So if something is not an issue for them personally or they're not interested in a request to add something they don't pass the message, so the devs don't know about it, so they don't act nor reply.

I would love to believe I'm wrong. Please, PLEASE do stuff to prove I'm wrong on this, reps.

where do I sign? lol

Hell yes!
Signed ;D

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Originally Posted by Sicno

But it's funny that reps pop up at totally random requests like "Add Terra's theme while riding the magitek armor" or "add a campfire minion".

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Obviously I'm not a developer, so I can't say this with concrete certainty, but I suspect that changing the music that plays on a certain mount or adding a new minion is probably a much less nuanced decision on which get a yes/no answer from the Developers, so it's much easier for them to post a concrete answer in response.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

Seems to me the reps are players too

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

and they reply and pass feedback according mostly to their personal preferences for what they want changed/implemented into the game.

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Not a chance.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

I would love to believe I'm wrong. Please, PLEASE do stuff to prove I'm wrong on this, reps.

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Here's the thing.

I think removing the PvP Restriction would be excellent for the popularity of PvP in FFXIV. Not being able to jump into Frontlines with any or all of my friends whenever I want to absolutely contributes to how much or how little I participate in that activity. I also think the lore-based reason for not making a change is nonsense and SE sticking to their guns based on that alone is a terrible decision.

However, I can also come up with multiple reasons just off the top of my head as to why SE can't just flip a switch tomorrow and abolish the restriction:

- Should restrictions be completely removed and people just get randomly assigned to red, blue, and yellow, or should it be some sort of mercenary system, where the DF tries to fill according to GC as much as possible then fill in the gaps with mercenaries?
- If it's the latter, how long does the DF wait while filling GC groups before taking mercenaries?
- If you can fill a 48-person Frontlines with GC groups or a 72-person Frontlines with mercenary groups, which is preferable?
- If someone gets a win as a mercenary, should they get achievement credit as though they'd won with their own GC, or should they get achievement credit based on the GC they helped assist to victory?

And so on and so forth.

Even if SE had already decided that the restriction has outlived its purpose, they'd need to determine how to answer those questions and, once they have the answers, whether it's feasible to implement them and, if they determine it is, how long it might take. It's not helpful for them or us if they respond to the thread to say that they're going to remove the restrictions if they have to come back in three months and say "Actually, we can't, sorry!"

There have been plenty of recent examples where SE have shown that they are listening to our feedback (Alexander Normal drops, Red Scrips, Favors), so it's probably worth giving them the benefit of the doubt. More to the point, it's a lot easier for them to review, collect, and pass on our feedback if every fifth post in the thread isn't "WE DEMAND RESPONSES IMMEDIATELY".

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Originally Posted by Ibi

- Should restrictions be completely removed and people just get randomly assigned to red, blue, and yellow, or should it be some sort of mercenary system, where the DF tries to fill according to GC as much as possible then fill in the gaps with mercenaries?
- If it's the latter, how long does the DF wait while filling GC groups before taking mercenaries?
- If you can fill a 48-person Frontlines with GC groups or a 72-person Frontlines with mercenary groups, which is preferable?
- If someone gets a win as a mercenary, should they get achievement credit as though they'd won with their own GC, or should they get achievement credit based on the GC they helped assist to victory?

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Those really aren't that difficult of questions.

1. This is the only real decision. Either way works fine.
2. Simplest solution is it starts mercing people once a GC fills up.
3. If it's based off the second option from #1, then the 48 person GC group Frontline would be made first, and then another Frontline match would spin up with everyone else in the queue, following the same rules as #2.
4. Really this shouldn't even be a question. Yes, if you win you should get all the credit afforded to a winner, for whichever GC they are allied with. If they went with the decision to remove GC affiliation entirely from Frontlines, then a win would just be a general victory.

Like I said, that was just a few examples I could come up with off the top of my head to illustrate the point. It was not an attempt to come up with a comprehensive list of all the possible things they may be considering.

I don't really understand why on earth PvP in this game has to be gated behind GC restrictions. What happened to accessibility that works so well for PvE?

Get in, fight, get out, points. Rinse and repeat. That's all it needs to be without any restrictions in a game that has no factions to begin with. It works for GW2 and Warcraft (or any other mmo)

PvP'ers don't give a damn about lore in battlegrounds. They do however care about accessibility and just having fun without wasting their time in queue.

Signed. It's just dumb and kills the que time

I don't pvp but I am all for this. This is one place where game-play over lore is more than acceptable.

we NEED these restrictions removed.

I wonder how many pages this has to reach before we get any type of response.

Over 9000!!!!!!!

I've recently switched to adders and im enjoying a instant to 5min pop time....meanwhile flames mael experiencing 45min+ its so sad I have had to switch and rerank just to pvp....

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Originally Posted by Stupiduglytaru

Over 9000!!!!!!!

I've recently switched to adders and im enjoying a instant to 5min pop time....meanwhile flames mael experiencing 45min+ its so sad I have had to switch and rerank just to pvp....

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I'm enjoying near-instant queues right now too in Aether Adders, but at the cost of sucking in most games. I really hope the remove this stupid restriction.

Now they're saying they won't do 1v1... DEVELOPERS, do you not care about your PVP enthusiasts at all? Prove you hear us & care, please!

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Originally Posted by PlumpyMcduff

Now they're saying they won't do 1v1... DEVELOPERS, do you not care about your PVP enthusiasts at all? Prove you hear us & care, please!

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The jobs aren't balanced around 1v1 and they don't want to make them so. Excluding 1v1 is reasonable.

It would be nice if they would address queue times on their existing content, though. OP has 280 likes... just how many will it take?

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

The jobs aren't balanced around 1v1 and they don't want to make them so. Excluding 1v1 is reasonable.

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No MMO balances classes around 1v1. Duels are just for fun anyway.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

The jobs aren't balanced around 1v1 and they don't want to make them so. Excluding 1v1 is reasonable.

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No it isn't. Dueling isn't mean to be taken super seriously... it's there for fun with no incentive or reward.

Balance isn't a concern with a dueling system, roles are/should be primarily balanced around group-play in an MMO.

If I wanna see if I can beat my friend's MNK as NIN, why shouldn't I be able to just for the pure fun of it?

Because it's not balanced? I could care less, I just want the option for entertainment purposes.

It's unreasonable to exclude it on the basis of balance when it's easy to implement & would be highly enjoyable for plenty enough people.

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Originally Posted by chrillix

I wonder how many pages this has to reach before we get any type of response.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

OP has 280 likes... just how many will it take?

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Every time you ask this question, Zodiark kills a baby chocobo.

Think of the baby chocobos.

I would pvp but nothing is worth waiting that long.

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Originally Posted by Ibi

Just stuff.

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Greetings,

In the lead up to the release of Heavensward, it can seem like we're being silent or not following up on many of the topics you're bringing up here. However, we would like everyone to understand that we are listening and gathering all of the feedback you've been diligently submitting to us, whether or not we make it overtly known. The development team truly values everyone's feedback and suggestions.

That being said, your comments from this thread, and other related threads, have been relayed to the development team. They would like to use all of the comments they've been getting as reference for future development and adjustments.

We look forward to your continued suggestions and feedback to help make PvP, and FINAL FANTASY XIV itself, even better!

This has been the only response. This is from pre 3.0, complaints date way farther back. Achievements post slaughter have been reworded. Which leads me to believe they knew that they had a big issue then. They also had a chance for a soft reset. Which I think most of us were hoping for. that 2.0 pvp would be a wasteland of GC requirements and 3.0 would be something free from it.

Yet they not only kept GC requirements in new pvp. They kept completely quiet. In all the info they gave out pre 3.0 and post 3.0 they couldn't once make a post. We are keeping GC's, it is what it is.

SE, show us you care at all about your PVP enthusiasts. Give us a glimmer of caring, one time. Speak to us, c'mon please.

I'll sign because I know I will never win a PVP match in the next few years because Adders suuuuuucks over there on Aether.

Please show your PVP players you care at all about us :/

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Originally Posted by chrillix

I wonder how many pages this has to reach before we get any type of response.

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We have to ask for a cute minion that one of the reps will happen to like.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

We have to ask for a cute minion that one of the reps will happen to like.

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really hmm ...

HEY SE... TINY... uh .. TINY ADORABLE!...umm ..... TOMELITH MINION ..nono uhh ...

CUTE ADORABLE SEAL and WOLF FOR .. FOR FIGHTING AS A MERCENARY ON THE ORIGINAL FRONTLINE MAPS AND SEAL ROCK

ok guys i got this.

Still 40+ minute queues for any PVP mode....

Don't mind signing. After all, I'm just there to detach some heads with FellCleave and have a good time.

Signed.
SE pls, give us an answer.

When this thread reaches this many pages like this one...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...RMT-situation.

Maybe, just maybe they'll respond.

Yup. Fix it.

I think it should stay plot/story connected, that's kinda cool.
But, seriously... update/chage the story! That's what writers are paid to do...

Find a scenario that makes sense for a story change on how PvP works and update it!