No, now it's just a lot of "loli is bad", "loli isn't bad", and a discussion on what is pedophilia.
This isn't FFXIV related; take it somewhere else.
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I propose they be called miniqo'tes
There is a difference between playing something cute and then making a child playable character. Regardless of how OP clarifies their opening post, it gave the impression that they wanted to play as a child Miqo'te. Which caused this whole thing to snowball into the discussion it is now.
Which frankly, yeah, we could play as kids. I'd welcome it. However a good amount of quest dialogue is going to have to be toned down specifically for people playing that race/age character to avoid controversy (Thancred and Haurchefaunt flirting with a ten year old Miqo'te child of either gender isn't exactly going to go over well no matter which way you spin it). And given SE's track record, they're not going to put in that extra work for an age variation for a race if they're not even willing to add extra/different dialogue for the races we have now.
It's a shame that people automatically assume loli/lolita = child = pedo. I agree with that. It really is, because over the 40+ years lolita has become a term that now identifies a style of dress and just people (usually girls) that look younger than they are. There shouldn't be any bashing over the style itself or liking it.
So on topic: Yes, more cute races. More than happy to have them. But for the sake of not getting one of these threads starting again, let's just avoid kid characters altogether (unless SE can prove they can handle it responsibly).
What if they added a quest where the WoL was turned into a child via some random magical mishap....(google Detective Conan)
basically they're only physically a kid, but that way dialogue and crap wouldn't have to be toned down for them.
Personally I think a side quest for it would be hilarious considering SE's story telling
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Also what they gave you an option to stay a kid or grow back up. And after a year you could choose to revert back if you so choose, and so on and so on...
^ That's an entertaining idea. I can't see them ever doing it, because by the Twelve that is a TON of work for something that'd be for funzies... but maybe as a replacement for Hildebrand quests...? Hmmm....
You raise a good point, and I agree that that would be more trouble than it's worth. Too much would have to change for it to work credibly from an in-story perspective. I'd rather stick with the new in-between Lalaqo'te race idea.
That's an idea I can get behind, definitely. And a few have been mentioning it. I don't think other MMOs have had hybrid creation be accessible, and it seems like it would give us the best of both worlds if they didn't skimp out on features we could choose from. Because I will gladly agree: Lalaqo'te would be pretty adorable. And people could mix Roes and Au Ra for some truly fierce or sexy creations.
This game has been brought up already, but Mabinogi (Korean f2p) actually was built around a similar system. The idea was your character ages 1 year every real week, their height and features changing accordingly. Each week they'd be granted stat bonuses and ability points (points spent to learn skills) based on what age you turned. At age 20, you can now rebirth for free to at max age 10.
So if a f2p from 2008 could get the system going, it's not too difficult for today. But their entire combat system was pretty different from FF14. No classes, all characters could learn every skill in the game from various schools of skills (save race specific). Their class or "destiny" system only grants growth bonuses. You can use any skills you want whenever you want. But FF14 is also not that far from that school of thought. Even if it was cosmetic or if you got some kind of bonus for changing to a kid for awhile, it would be fun.
Fortunately, them not adding this version of the Miqo'te would be the equivalent of leavings tons of money on the table. I'm sure many would race change to this particular version of the Miqo'te.
Hopefully... more variety is a good thing, imo. Besides, players can already play as toddlers in the game--why bar players from accessing other human development stages? Let's add 'em all!
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So, basically, thumbs down for this variation/race/idea.
Dread I think you misunderstood. What I meant is that in the hypothetical quest.. you could choose to stay a kid, but you wouldn't be able to change back to an adult until a year passed. Basically it adds weight to the decision you make rather than just fantasia'ing whenever you fancy. Nothing gets locked you're still the WoL, just tinier.
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OFF-TOPIC: I'm sorry but I thought you looked goregous has a Highlander. :(
Au ra still nice just wanted to say.
It's hardly adding anything new to the table. It's just a human child with cat ears, which... no. I'm all for adding variety in this game (I have plenty of posts on this subject), but variety that gives us a race that looks completely different to what we already have as a playable race (I'll say it again; the Vanu Vanu would be neat as a playable race).
This game is already overdosing on the cute crap (especially for females). I think it's time for something different or no new race at all.
And weaker. Unless your child like form keeps the muscles they've developed as they grew into an adult, the Warrior of Light is going to be heavily burdened by this "debuff," making them very easy to assassinate with or without the Blessing of Light. I am hoping SE leave the "child forms" in Halloween events, where it's just a costume. Not a gameplay option.
While I would also like to see something more bestial as a playable race, seriously, you're NEVER going to get a beast race to be a player character race. First for lore reasons, second for the sheer amount of armor remodeling that would have to be done (one of the most obvious reasons why every playable race is largely based off the human template), and finally, because it'd be a huge risk that, from what I can tell, is something they are just not willing to attempt (or else the Au Ra would have been designed with less obvious pandering).
All that being said, what seems much more likely to me is that the next race will, in fact, be another cute race like that cute bunny race they showed in the Heavensward concept art. And the reason for this is obvious: It's marketable. Easily marketable. And for SE, so far as I can tell, that is very, very high on their list of priorities when it comes to PC races.
Muscles mean nothing in this game. Or are you forgetting that dainty little Au Ra and Lalafell ladies are able to keep up with burly Highlanders and Roegadyn in melee combat?
SE did say that based on their stats, players prefer this type of thing. Sad thing is, I do see the next race to be another cute and might be even more anime-inspired than the Au Ra are. Unless they do decide to go the Viera route.
Hopefully, if they choose to do something like this then I hope that the males will at least look like adults/ "fierce"
I'm just going to drop this here....
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Then by lore reasons (while they are short, Au Ra females and Lalafell are still adults!), children can't be a playable option :)
But seriously though, we have enough cute things in this game. Any more and we might as well redub this game as "Typical Anime Fantasy" or something along those lines >_>
I won't be playing Blade and Soul personally, but even if some of us did, the characters in B&S are all depicted as adults. There's no children and no race that is designed to look like a child either, AFAIK. So sexualization is acceptable, even if somewhat taboo in certain crowds.
That is the biggest mountain, nay, galaxy of BS I have ever seen spewed from someone's mouth (or in this case, fingers).
Suffice it to say, you could not possible be more wrong. Do you want me to name the countries with strict gun control laws that have a lower crime rate than America? All of them.
Huh what.
Even though I mentioned Lyn multiple times, you still missed it? Didn't even bother looking them up?
These are Lyn:
http://i.imgur.com/lxsmUdd.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/OOMiODI.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/zMD4Zzb.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Mov1ODc.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/LmkbQHd.jpg
You can't expect me to believe the same folks who are complaining about the idea of playable children in FFXIV wouldn't be complaining about the Lyn.
Aw, thank you <3 I'm giving it a 2 weeks trial. Dunno if I'm going to change back, I love both atm and I've got some mixed feelings about it. :(
And so do I. And yes, we need more beast-looking races. Everything is so cute, this is all rainbows and floating hearts. I wouldn't play them but I know plenty of people that would. There you would have more variety, everything is human looking now. Even if the difference is noticeable, specially with the latest race, (an odd-designed Au Ra), they're still human looking.
In that case I'm definitely not playing B&S then. That's no different than Elin in TERA... may even be worse.
Meh, I could not reply anymore yesterday because of posts limit. I see that the dumb arguing has died down anyway, so it's fine.
I would like to reiterate the fact that my question in the opening post was sarcastic. I personally see no reason why a child miqo'te should be playable. I just find them incredibly cute and I went all warm and fuzzy inside, hence the "OMG I NEED THIS NAO" post.
Rationally speaking, I am happy with my Au Ra. :P
You guys really need to give up on the not-so-human-looking playable races. They (as in the Japanese playerbase AND the developers) just don't care for it, for whatever reason. Plus the devs have already said that they're shooting for what would be popular instead of what would be unique (yes, really, they stated this outright). So, sorry, but your dreams have been crushed.
No, Lyn are definitely waaaay different from Elin.
For one, the character creation doesn't suck ass, so you can make an older-looking Lyn (including elderly Lyn with wrinkles and facial hair and everything) pretty easily. This also means that they don't have those ridiculous Elin body proportions forced on them (though they ARE capable of mimicking their proportions thanks to the body sliders).
Secondly, as mentioned, Lyn have both male and female, and the two look pretty much identical outside of hairstyles and facial hair options. Which means, of course, that the Lyn are not just the 'cute' race, but also the 'androgynous' race (even moreso than Lalafell). It's very easy to genderbend with them if you're so inclined.
Thirdly, and most importantly, they're not anywhere NEAR as sexualized as the Elin are. Whereas Elin only ever wear sexualized outfits with a few token exceptions, Lyn are the exact opposite. The play up the cute angle considerably more often. That's not to say that some 'sexy' outfits don't exist, but they're the exception, and you have to go out of your way to find them. Kind like you do now with Lalafell, heh.
I haven't played tera in a long time but last I knew elin were the only race that actually wore stuff resembling actual clothing. everyone else was tits mcgee with half her ass hanging out
This is what comes to mind when I read your post
http://i.imgur.com/cWFxBQT.jpg
Sorry if I sound harsh. It's just that I was hoping for exactly that with Au Ra and the disappointment from their reveal still stings to this day, so people bringing it up over and over again only makes the pain worse.
It's not happening and I will forever be disappointed at SE for taking that stance. So instead, I put my energy towards something that seems much more likely to actually happen given their tastes...
That's possibly only because you saw the censored versions. The original versions had them in a nightgown and panties for a huge number of their cloth outfits, and a lot of plate outfits had a short skirt for even more panty shots. Only their leather outfits were anywhere near consistently covering.
Only a few of the outfits were straight up skimpy, for elin. A lot of the mage, and cash shop clothes had short or micro skirts (so yeah, abundance of panty shots...), and there were some outfits that had straight up thongs for pants, but the majority of their outfits had shorts, or leggings. I thought a lot of the tank outfits especially were really cute, even if they were impractical. I also loved the snow hoodie cash shop outfit.
But yeah, Elin were uncomfortably oversexualized. The Lyn look like they're going way more for the cute angle, which I appreciate!
I don't understand how people think there are "too many" cute races in XIV. There's literally one race that seems like it's exclusively designed to be cute, and 3 female options that seem like they're designed to be mostly cute. On the other hand we have 5 races (not including highlanders, which they're kind of a race on their own, so 6 races?) where the men are designed to be "cool" or "scary", and 3 where the female seem designed to be "cool" or "scary". Obviously you can create some cute characters in that spectrum, like you can also create some cool characters in the "cute character" spectrum, but I'd say the "cool" races outweigh the "cute" at this point.
That said, I absolutely want a beast race that has options for both cute, and cool builds. I'd love to be a little mouse/moogle type character, and it would be cool to see some bigger "beastmen" type pcs.
I know some of what I'm going to say has been said already, but I kind of wanted to give my own small piece.
After finally getting to the point where I found this NPC, I was honestly really happy, since my first thought was, is this a prelude to a future piece of content?
I, for one, would be ecstatic if we could make the younger versions of the current races... Even if it ended up being some form of adoption, as others have mentioned. Since PC's can already not only get married, but own a home, it would just be another step into having that growing family, or something to that degree. Perhaps even have them in the 'minion' section so you can summon them and they follow you around, for example.
I don't see how it would hurt the lore too much overall, considering the state of things. Now, I didn't play through 1.0... But from what I've seen and pieced together, the PC's overall story is very, very vague. A younger character's story could simply be, they lost their parents to the calamity, and decided to take up a sword... As something tells me may have happened in some cases unseen. Or... Considering this is a fantasy game after all, with it's own odd time magics or alchemy, it could simply be a spell cast on the already matured character to bring them back to a past version of him/ herself.
I understand that the whole pedophile case makes this subject very... sensitive. But if there is any sort of bad conduct, then that is why others are allowed to report said players, is it not? I've noticed that the devs have done a more than decent job in trying to let players be the character they want to be. If you want to be the big and burly type, fine. be that. If you want to be the tiny, cute type. Fine, do that. Having playable beast races would be interesting, sure. We have seen plenty that are friendly, and some that could actually possibly work, even if they had to be given a different starting scene.
Having to make armor different hasn't appeared to be too much of a challenge thus far (I'm not meaning to make it sound like it's an easy job, but that's not the point I'm going for), as each race, and size, has been made to work just fine. Gear looks different depending on race and gender, and as we can see, some of the already existing items are already made to work, so we know it's possible... If not being worked on already.
I've always been someone who just likes being that smaller character in the group. I always have. I played the elin. I played the lyn. To me, being that tiny character and fighting a giant dragon (for example) solo just made it so much more enjoyable and memorable... But I would also rather play a miqo'te than a lalafell. So having a sort of happy medium would be great, I think... Especially if there are different perks, and drawbacks, to selecting the adult, or younger version, going back to what I mentioned with being allowed to be what you want to be. For example, the adults, as we have them, do not need to change. They are well rounded. But as the smaller, younger ones, perhaps they have slightly reduced base stats, so, in turn, do less damage and have less hp, but have smaller hitboxes, and slightly higher movement speed in return?
I know I would buy a Fantasia on day 1 if this was implemented.
And really, trying to bring up 'children would just get crushed by the primals.' Just as others have said, I'm going to repeat it. Lalafells. Yes, an adult lalafell would be tougher than a child one, but why would they be as strong as a roegadyn in the first place? Or, 'everything that takes place would be too traumatizing.' Most child NPCs in this game are already pretty much dealing with war, death, and what was practically a near apocalypse, also going back to when I mentioned that they could have lost their caregivers in the process.
Anyway, I don't want to rant for too much longer, but in the end, I really do, personally, hope they keep working on making the character creation more in-depth. Character heights, ages, and maybe even more ear and tail types for miqo'tes. I know much of it is going to be restricted via lore, but I at least think there's some potential in the fact that they added these younger characters to the game, and I hope more is added... Mostly in allowing them to be playable.
I seriously loved finding that NPC, and really wished there was some sort of content around her, other than her just being there. So I hope, in the near future, there actually is more to it.
This is going to be my last post on this subject, because frankly it disturbs me to even edge close to the topics being discussed here. However, I feel it's important to bring up a few points for consideration amongst the die hard amongst you who still think making children playable is a good idea.
Cast your mind back to the last time you saw children in a video game. I can almost guarantee that whenever that child was in the game, they were inevitably out of harms way or saved at the last minute. Fallout, for example, has children which are all tagged as invulnerable so they don't take a stray bullet. GTA avoids it entirely by not adding them anywhere. There's a reason for this, and it's not just paranoid developers. Any content which has children in it undergoes MUCH heavier scrutiny than content with strictly adult characters.
Any time a child is considered 'in peril', and it only needs to be mild peril such as facing down beastmen or the like, it gets a few disproving looks from the ESRB and similar rating agencies. This, in exchange, tends to earn it a higher rating than it would otherwise. In fact, there's is a quest in FFXIV where a child dies but again, this is done off-screen and you never see the body. It's all told through exposition via text.
All of this is before we even come to the doubly sensitive topic of what manner of clothes they would wear. Even something you might consider relatively safe, like a decent length skirt, occasionally comes under fire because we have full camera control and the more perverse could simply look up their dress. That's before I mention clothing items like the Colosseum gear which is basically strappy leather. The ratings board would explode immediately, and who could blame them?
Remember, being childlike is the 'hook' some games use to avoid being labelled as crude. The "She looks young, but she's actually 200 years old" situation. Even that alone is often frowned upon in western society. When you make it an ACTUAL child, you open up that can of worms to a full debate, and it's impossible to rejustify it.
So no... let's not add playable children. Let's not ruin what could just be left as a nice easter egg in the game. Posts like this thread are more likely to stop SE ever adding something like this again more than encourage them to make them into full characters. If they patched these characters out of the game, I honestly wouldn't blame them after reading this forum. There have been some downright disgusting posts.
FF4, FF5 and FF6 all have main (playable) characters that are children.
FF4 had Rydia (Age 7), FF5 had Cara (age 14), and FF6 had Relm (age 10).
It's only Western RPG's that shy away from children dying, and even then... you could do it in some CRPG's that are of the same vintage (EG you could kill -everyone- in all Ultima games up to 8)
The problem, more or less, in a MMORPG are RP'ers who take things a great bit too far.
Aside from those outlier elements, when given an environment where most of the characters can be whatever age they want, people don't select younger ages unless there is some bonus to it, or for cosmetic reasons.
Truth be told I don't know how old my character is via Lore. In reality, I'd say he's around mid 20's like myself in real life.
I see this thread has gotten better after I was called deluded, lol.
How's everyone been?
Children in games seems to be a hot-button subject here