Au Ra physiology and other lore.

Its highly doubtful that the Ascians are good at all. That said, there is the possiblity that Zodiark isn't evil, and maybe in a weaker state then Hydaelin at the moment.

FFXII Zodiark was never evil itself, but instead sealed away by the Occuria because they feared it would become more powerful than even them...and it was essentially only a child when they did so.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Its highly doubtful that the Ascians are good at all. That said, there is the possiblity that Zodiark isn't evil, and maybe in a weaker state then Hydaelin at the moment.

FFXII Zodiark was never evil itself, but instead sealed away by the Occuria because they feared it would become more powerful than even them...and it was essentially only a child when they did so.

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using Ivalece lore he was the 'keeper of the parcepts' aka the keeper of order/law, if FFXIV's zodiark shares in this, then he will have nothing but desire to rebalance order, how he dose it won't matter to him, in his eyes he could want to destroy the planet, or kill everything just so everything fits into a unified order of death, it is similar to seymour's wish in ffx on mount gagazet where he wished to stop the cycle of death by killing everyone.

so even if zodiark isn't evil his mission could kill everything which obviously isn't good D:

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

using Ivalece lore he was the 'keeper of the parcepts' aka the keeper of order/law, if FFXIV's zodiark shares in this, then he will have nothing but desire to rebalance order, how he dose it won't matter to him, in his eyes he could want to destroy the planet, or kill everything just so everything fits into a unified order of death, it is similar to seymour's wish in ffx on mount gagazet where he wished to stop the cycle of death by killing everyone.

so even if zodiark isn't evil his mission could kill everything which obviously isn't good D:

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Possibly, though I was mostly just using the example as to what he might be like based on previous versions. Though I'm not sure what Zodiark may have been like in the other Ivalice games.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

using Ivalece lore he was the 'keeper of the parcepts' aka the keeper of order/law, if FFXIV's zodiark shares in this, then he will have nothing but desire to rebalance order, how he dose it won't matter to him, in his eyes he could want to destroy the planet, or kill everything just so everything fits into a unified order of death, it is similar to seymour's wish in ffx on mount gagazet where he wished to stop the cycle of death by killing everyone.

so even if zodiark isn't evil his mission could kill everything which obviously isn't good D:

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

No they wouldn't. Remember, Elidibus mentioned that if we knew a certain something that the Ascians knew, the we would likely end up joining them. What if the evil one is actually Hydaelin?

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At this point I am almost certan that when we speak of Hydaelin and Zodiark that we are not referring to two mutually exclusive beings. I remember something Rahmu said, about prior to the spoken Races that "Light and Dark were one and the same".

So could it actually be the Spoken Races fault that Hydaelin and Zodiark actually exist? In 1.0's lore the beginning of the "Age of Man" was the 1st Umbral Era when The races of Man began to wadge war with each other. That led The Twelve to "Leave" this world thus ending "The Divine Era" or "Age of the Gods" which was when The Twelve still walked on Eorzea with it's people. We also know that at some point The Elzen, Lalafel, and Roegadyn came to Eorzea, then during the 5th Umbral Era Hyur and Mi'qote came during "The age of endless frost" . So we can guess that none of the five races were here in Eorzea during the Divine or 1st Umbral Era, So who were they? Why did the war start? And how was Light and Darkness, two fundamentally opposite concepts, "One and the Same" before that?

Only the devs know and Only time will tell. So in the immortal words of Yoshi-P, "Please look forward to it."

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hmm good point, the only race we know of eorzea to be natural to the land was the Allag. and that may not be true, since we only know the allag empire was around mainly during the 3rd era and attacked the mercydians who summoned bahamut, this could mean mercydia was once a part of eorzia, another guess could be the draconian horde are one of the more natural races of eorzea next to the amalj'aa but little is known about there presence in the previous ages, we know Ifrit was a very strong amalj'aa warrior who's horn was twisted by fire and that is what gave amalj'aa hope by following what was there greatest leader, but it dosnt say which age Ifrit was from it just says 'long ago' but to get back to the OT (for which i apologieze for the slight tangent)

with what we know about the Au Ra and there Lore, i would love if we meet a few NPC's who share in on the dusk mother and dawn father,
also with the horns, i wonder how that will affect some hoods and hats or will they simply just 'clip' though them rather then special horn guards.
not only this but when it comes to scales one thought always crosses my mind how uncomfortable must they be?

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

also with the horns, i wonder how that will affect some hoods and hats or will they simply just 'clip' though them rather then special horn guards. not only this but when it comes to scales one thought always crosses my mind how uncomfortable must they be?

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There was an interview on this, take a look ^^
Interview Source: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...29-Translation

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Will the horns unique to the Au Ra create issues with interference, like with helmets?
Y: The adjustments took time... it was a lot of effort from the character modeling team. It was important to us that the horns would be visible even with helmets on to maintain the identity of the race. There was a lot of talk between the art and character teams to make sure that interference with new equipment wouldn't occur because of last minute design changes. Of course, the new equipment took this into account, but we had to carefully go through adjustments for existing equipment to fit the Au Ra.

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I really love this new Viet connection. I'm so going to fantasia into an Au Ra during early access. Definitely Xaela. I only need help in deciding between female and male.

I'm going to make a new character. While I'm not an RP enthusiast, I do prefer my characters' names to make sense in-story (unlike a certain few (in)famous names I remember from other MMOs). Hopefully I can chew through 2.x during the early access; skipping cutscenes should help greatly.

Don't like using Fantasia, since not only does it cost real-world $ I'm too attached to my current character.

From a realistic stand point as a few people have mentioned, i think any intimacy between the males and females would be...awkward to say the least, mostly when you consider intercourse between them, the males would split them in half judging by the size of the males.

And i get that it's seemingly because the females are meant to represent a more mystical aspect of their race with them being the poster girls for astrologian, so being more petite and mystical makes sense from a design aspect, but then the males are the polar opposites, huge lean and very fit looking. And let's face it SE just wanted to pander to the huge female miqo'te demographic by creating another cute fan service character. It's sad that the female Au'ra's just feel like female miqo'te's 2.0.

They weren't "pandering" to anything beyond numbers, more people play lala's, miqo'te females, and female hyur than female highlanders or female roe, or even elezen.

As for the size difference.. it can be made to work, Daenerys and Drogo prove it lol.. they make it work better than alot of roe/hyur/miqo'te, anything/lala couples.. the males horns though make me wonder how the eternal bond kiss will work.

Female Au ra are dragon faeries more or less, even moreso in light of the rl story they may be linked to.. they are more padjal than miqo'te.. i like it~

The Horns on the males typically go to the side for some distance and then come forward or down based on art work and screen shots. Female horns go towards the back of their heads. So It'd actually not be a problem at all based on my estimates.

As for the hight diffrence, it seems to be the typical 6-ish foot male to 5-ish foot female ratio that exists IRL. I'm that much taller than just about all the women I know.

Well if we're going to go there...

There's no telling what size equipment male Au Ra have or if the females are unable to accommodate them. If you know what I'm talkin' about.

Do you know what I'm talkin' about?

Crass humor aside, there are stranger cases of sexual dimorphism in nature, so once you get used to it it's not so bad. It's also a bit of the Auri racial identity, as the body mass difference between males and females is distinct and unlike any other race.

'sides, there are options for tough-looking females (female Highlander Hyur and Roegadyn), but statistically they're the lowest-played race/sex. So the designers went with an aesthetic more people are interested in. Pandering? Maybe... but the developers would rather have people play the race/sex combination than have them largely ignore it.

I heard the female Au Ra eats the male's life-force after mating...Au Ra's are related to demons after all

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Lol, I've already got my RP set to where I've been an Au Ra this whole time. I simply made up my "History" as a hyur and used an ancient magic ,not unlike a void sent's glamour, to make my self into a Hyur when in fact I am and always have been an Au Ra scout who's job it was to survey Eorzea on behalf of my race. Now that Garlemauld is on the move again we are prepairing to use the Dragonsong War to make our existence and allegiance known.

By my RP's story the Dragonsong War will fix the problem of "The Dragon People from Oethard" by clearly combating the Dravanians on behalf of Ishgaurd (As the PC Au Ra will be doing any way. lol). And why wouldn't Yugiri recognize my glamor? Well the Ishgaurdians, Primals, and and Ascians didn't so why would she since she's never met me.

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I'm personally going with Aetherical Reconstruction. Essentially the Teleport/Return process involves you breaking down into aether, then reconstructing yourself at the destination. Who's to say that with a burst of aether energy(a la fantasia*...) you couldn't change your appearance?

*-personal theory to somewhat make the fantasia lore-appropriate to be effective, even if officially they don't really exist...

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Well if we're going to go there...

There's no telling what size equipment male Au Ra have or if the females are unable to accommodate them. If you know what I'm talkin' about.

Do you know what I'm talkin' about?

Crass humor aside, there are stranger cases of sexual dimorphism in nature, so once you get used to it it's not so bad. It's also a bit of the Auri racial identity, as the body mass difference between males and females is distinct and unlike any other race.

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There are cases of disproportionate sizing in terms of sexual dimorphism, but I'm more accustomed to seeing larger females and smaller males in extreme size differences (my friend and I just joked about it saying the Au Ra could mate like barnacles to circumvent that differece, 'cause dang!), to better accomodate... things... For cases where the male is bigger, it isn't by such a large margin. I'm trying to think of a case where males are so much bigger than the female, but I'm stumped. ._.

Would have been interesting if the Au Ra females were bigger than males, but alas.

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Originally Posted by KaijinRhada

Would have been interesting if the Au Ra females were bigger than males, but alas.

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Again I point out that the Females are only around 12 inches shorter than the males which is not THAT great of a difference. In reptiles and insects usually the female is 2-3 times the size of the male which is a HUGE difference. (Pun intended.)

The same difference in height between males and females IRL is starting to become more and more common with Men reaching about 6 feet and women barely being taller than 5. I am 6 feet 2 inches tall while every woman in my blood line don't get more than around 5 feet 2 inches. It's genetic based but still. This is not an absurd difference in height.

Yeah the size difference it a bit too extreme.

I'm guessing that since they were (and xaela still are) nomadic and very violent I'm guessing the males "evolved" to be more of a front line fighter: more pronounce scales, larger physique. Females mostly stayed in the tribe's and acting as last line of defense (while caring for their young) Maybe something similar to Feudal Japanese samurai clans. But wasn't this also their reasoning for the lack of Roegadyn females back in 1.0?

Though I think we can only speculate for now and wait until a future moogle delivery quest will shine some light on more of their culture.

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Again I point out that the Females are only around 12 inches shorter than the males which is not THAT great of a difference. In reptiles and insects usually the female is 2-3 times the size of the male which is a HUGE difference. (Pun intended.)

The same difference in height between males and females IRL is starting to become more and more common with Men reaching about 6 feet and women barely being taller than 5. I am 6 feet 2 inches tall while every woman in my blood line don't get more than around 5 feet 2 inches. It's genetic based but still. This is not an absurd difference in height.

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Bolded for the point I had posted and what I am used to seeing in nature. As for the other points It's true for humans that it isn't too big of a stretch, but I'm looking at some of the Au Ra concepts, and I think there it more than a foot of diference between the two. The angles don't help any with making a clear distinction, but if Au Ra are about the size of an average Midlander female, in some of the concepts, it looks like Au Ra males taller than Elezen males and even encroaching on Roegadyn height. A foot and a bit isn't so bad, but more than that gets a few cocked heads from me and my imagination starts going places.

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That could be. Until we see the official renders side by side in game I guess it's hard to make a good guess. The two foot difference and greater getting into the "How the f*** does a LalaxRoe relationship work O_O" debate. So if the females are in that five foot range but the average male is in the 7 foot range THEN that gets difficult to explain.

There's not really that big of an issue with the difference in size between males and females. Tall guys have short girlfriends all the time. I see it all the time. I'm just not seeing how this size difference is an issue with procreation at all.

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Originally Posted by Lickintoad

There's not really that big of an issue with the difference in size between males and females. Tall guys have short girlfriends all the time. I see it all the time. I'm just not seeing how this size difference is an issue with procreation at all.

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Uh, from a biology stand point the size of the animal is irrelevant to mating. So it doesn't effect it at all. I think it's going back to the "Did Shiva Sleep with a dragon or just allie with them" debate.

Or it could be simple: Despite height, males might smaller penises

Well the problem isn't height alone; the females are incredibly dainty compared to the males, who are rather burly. There's a great difference in bulk that makes it almost seem like they're a separate race... but as I and others have pointed out, there are more bizarre cases of sexual dimorphism in nature, though it tends to be the female who is significantly larger. Still, while it's a bit jarring, once you get used to it... ehh.

Of course, real-world people do have such differences in height and body mass, so that's also another reason it's not implausible. Another possibility brought up is that the males and females evolved differently for their social roles - the males as fighters, and the females as homemakers. I don't think that's the case, though; the Xaela Au Ra continue to wander and war as their ancestors did, and though the Raen have settled down they show mostly superficial differences from the Xaela (different skintones, horn / scale colors, and horn shapes). If that theory were true the female Xaela Au Ra would probably be as burly as the men, since in a warrior tribe your main value is how good you are at killing enemies (in fantasy settings, at least). But since the Raen and Xaela Au Ra share a common ancestor, and yet the females show no significant differences besides the same ones present in male specimens...

... yeah.

On the subject of that, there's nothing saying the males' equipment is too big, or that the females are unable to accommodate them (if you know what I'm talkin' about). In fact for the continued existence of the species they have to be compatible. The thing is that people are assuming the males' larger frames will make said equipment too big for the females, who they assume will be unable to accommodate due to their smaller frames. Don't say it's because you're scared the males will hurt the females - for all you know they're very gentle lovers.

Stop assuming, and get your minds out of the gutter besides!

EDIT: Hey hey, race naming conventions compressed into one topic! The gears are moving! Are we getting those naming conventions soon™?

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EDIT: Hey hey, race naming conventions compressed into one topic! The gears are moving! Are we getting those naming conventions soon™?

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The hype is real!

Maybe the Au Ra are actually pangolin people :P It'd explain the size difference. Deer (and Lions) are also somewhat similar to the situation with Au Ra male deer (or a male lion) tend to be bulkier then females while the females are thinner/dainty. Actually, I like the deer comparison more then the pangolin one. Au Ra are deer-ragon people.

Also, on the topic of the male's ahem ahem being accommodating for the female if nature has taught me anything it's that it does not (see: Duck's corkscrew penis of death, or Cat's Barb).

Nah see, it's not just the male's equipment being too big for the females that people are assuming. They're also assuming the females' equipment slot is too small to accommodate. If you know what I'm talking about.

Do you know what I'm talking about?

If female Au Ra's vaginas are anything like humans (or most animals) then how wide they are isn't a problem. During childbirth a (human/hyur) woman's vagina/cervix has to stretch to allow the infant to pass through. The only problem related to genitalia would be the man's penis length if it's too long for the woman's vagina.

An example would be if an Au Ra's vaginal cavity is only 6 inches (same length as a human/hyurs) but the males penis is 7 or more inches long. During intercourse the male (if he's not careful) could rupture her cervix.

The mental imagery of the Au Ra mating is now firmly stuck in my head.

Thanks, Lili.

Plumbing issues aside, I'm glad that the Au Ra are quite humanoid, so now we don't have to imagine them laying eggs (barring the fact that some reptiles have live births).
In fact they have breasts so they seem to be mammals. Mammal-reptiles I guess. :P

You said it anyway!

Anyway yes, what I'm insinuating is that the larger frame of Au Ra males doesn't mean their penis is too big for the females. At the same time, just because female Au Ra have smaller frames doesn't necessarily mean their vaginas are too shallow or narrow to accommodate the male's penis, whether or not it's longer than, say, a Hyran penis. Of course it's also very possible Auri sex organs are the same size, proportionally, as average Hyuran sex organs.

Thanks for ruining the joke, man!

This thread....

Well I suppose the title does say Au Ra Physiology.

That it does! And though reproduction and physical intimacy is something many people shy away from talking about, it's a very important subject in regards to physiology (or rather biology).

Personally, I was content to keep using euphemisms and dirty jokes, but some people just couldn't take the hint...

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This thread....

Well I suppose the title does say Au Ra Physiology.

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Honestly, considering the recent focus of the topic, I expected more Balmung posters. >_>

So~ooooooo.........how 'bout them scales?
o.o......

Actually good question. Let's guess whether the scales are bone or chitin, and what colors the scales black in Xaela Au Ra! Should help get peoples' minds out of the gutter?

Anyone?

Anyone?

I found myself wondering if the scale portions would molt, actually.

Based on what was said, it seems like their horns will be their "ears"

Yeah it seems that their horns function in a way similar to the ones togruta have.. i am guessing that they pick up vibrations and turn them in to sound? I just hope that doesn't mean that getting one damaged is akin to breaking your eardrum x.x;; because ow..

Also since I brought it up I sort of wonder at the difference in scale colors, generally what has attributed to current differences in subraces has been their territorial habits at work(seekers and keepers, mid and highlanders ect) so what could have happened to make their scales become their current color.. I wonder if maybe xaela scales are harder or thicker because of their warlike nature, or if the vivid black is like a "warning" color

I wonder...will the earrings go on the horns? That might look a bit odd o.o

I love horn rings on character designs! Horns that are supposedly the instruments of hearing getting piercings on the other hand, I'm just imagining how uncomfortable that would be at first. Dx Granted there are probably parts that aren't sensitive.