Chocobo Dye Experimentation

Fed 6 of each in one sitting.

Cieldalaes Pineapple
Valfruit
Doman Plum

Cream Yellow

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

>>> So, starting from Desert Yellow, no matter how many Berries you give your choco, if you stop after the first "New Feathers" (not Plumage, New Feathers, they're different messages!), your chocobo will switch to Ui Brown. Then, from Ui Brown, feeding berries until you get the "New Feathers" message means your choco will switch to Aldgoat Brown.

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I'd also like to point out that there is also the chance of an HQ-like result as well. One other person here was doing the same as my husband and feeding Berries from the start, and stopping after the first "new feathers" each time.

Hubby's result Desert Yellow>UI Brown>Aldgoat Brown>Shale Brown
Other's result Desert Yellow>Cork Brown>UI Brown>Gobbiebag Brown>Aldgoat Brown>Shale Brown

Also seen Royal Blue + Apple = Abyssal Blue or Regal Purple
And Desert Yellow + Plum = Cream Yellow or Sylph Green

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Originally Posted by Erendis

O'Ghomoro Berries

Starting colour: Goobbue Grey
O'Ghomoro berries: 3

Result: Pending

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Prediction:
Desert Yellow (D) 215 183 87 0 0 0
Ul Brown 3 183 167 119 32 16 -32
Gobbiebag Brown 4 183 167 135 0 0 -16
Shale Brown 2 151 135 103 32 32 32
Goobbue Grey 1 135 135 135 16 0 -32
***Lilac Purple 3 135 103 103 0 32 32

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Originally Posted by LyricalMelody

I'd also like to point out that there is also the chance of an HQ-like result as well. One other person here was doing the same as my husband and feeding Berries from the start, and stopping after the first "new feathers" each time.

Hubby's result Desert Yellow>UI Brown>Aldgoat Brown>Shale Brown
Other's result Desert Yellow>Cork Brown>UI Brown>Gobbiebag Brown>Aldgoat Brown>Shale Brown

Also seen Royal Blue + Apple = Abyssal Blue or Regal Purple
And Desert Yellow + Plum = Cream Yellow or Sylph Green

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I hope it's this and not randomly picking one of three per step.

Finished my 7th stage.

Started with Dalamud Red, fed Berries (17) until one "new feathers" message popped, and that resulted in Rolanberry Red.

Not sure if I'll do berries again.. 17 Berries was starting to stretch it a bit. I was not expecting to use that many.

My Old Post with all my stages on it.

Little recap.

Nothing but Apples - Desert Yellow > Millicorn Yellow > Pumpkin Orange > Sunset Orange > Blood Red
Berries from then on - Blood Red(+40Apples) > Dalamud Red > Rolanberry Red.
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Needs confirmation without the apple use. I'll do it eventually if no one else does.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

I've skimmed these threads and not seen this mentioned anywhere...but there's a LOT of posts, so forgive me if I'm repeating something known/debunked here. The whole "plumage will change" message does not seem to be random at all. It's just a matter of waiting 1 real time minute before feeding them the next fruit. When I just shoveled the fruit into my chocobo as fast as I could, I never got any message past the initial one until 1 minute had passed. So far, I've been waiting at least 1 minute and have yet to not see the message pop each time I feed a fruit. Again, this seems so obvious I imagine it's already been played around with, but if not, there it is.

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Just an FYI. From my experience waiting between fruit does absolutely nothing. I've waited 5-8min between fruit and did not see it after. I have waited 2 1/2 hours and didn't see it until the 5th fruit after.

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

Prediction:
Desert Yellow (D) 215 183 87 0 0 0
Ul Brown 3 183 167 119 32 16 -32
Gobbiebag Brown 4 183 167 135 0 0 -16
Shale Brown 2 151 135 103 32 32 32
Goobbue Grey 1 135 135 135 16 0 -32
***Lilac Purple 3 135 103 103 0 32 32

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Lavender Purple (blue?)

To whoever controls the spreadsheet :
You need to put more strict rules on data gathering.

The first "proc" message saying new feathers will grow just mean the chocobo will change color, not that the previous fruits were uneffective (just were not enough). But the following "proc" messages in the same feed are NOT valuable info ! They are just saying after feeding again, color would still change (you can go back with multi fruit feeds).

If you want to truly have serious experiments, you need to WAIT 6H after the first "proc" message before doing anything else, and report color change and fruits fed (which fruits, number, order even if I doubt it matters in most of the cases, etc).

If you don't apply these experiment rules, the spreadsheet is not better than the previous one you were disproving ^^
It requires a lot of patience though, but it'll bear the most valuable information we can get to map the square-enix wheel of colors and the effect of fruits on it.

Pineapple:
R: + 5,5
G: + 2
B: - 4,5

Apple:
R: + 2
G: -2,5
B: -3,5

Valfruit:
R: - 2
G: - 2
B: + 7

Plums:
R: - 3,5
G: + 0,7
B: + 5

Berry:
R: - 5,5
G: - 5,5
B: + 6

Pear:
R: - 3
G: + 5
B: - 5,5

Calculations are based on x5-15 feeds of one fruit, combined with people's multi feeding with several different fruits. Since they give slightly different numbers I've adjusted the single ones, doing a mixture between mix feeding numbers and single fruit feeding numbers.
Basically if a number is showing 5,5 it means the numbers I got was 5 and 6.

So far it's been pretty accurate, but it's not 100%.

The game does seem to pick the color you are closets to, but also depending on what kind of fruit you fed it.

Test:
From desert yellow:
Fed 10x Valefruit
Expectation - Rose Pink
Result - Rose Pink

From Apple Green:
Fed 10x Plums
Expectation - Celeste Green
Result - Celeste Green


Thx for reading, hope it helps :)

Fed Rose Pink Chocobo:
10x Valefruit
Expectation - Iris Purple

Will share result once it's done :)

Hubby's chicken:
Starting colour: Default desert yellow
First feeding: 5 Mamook pears - received message 'grows new feathers'
Result:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...psdc23a8b3.png

Second feeding: 10 Mamook pears - received message 'grows new feathers'

Should be Lavender Purple, unless Gobbue Grey can proc a Lilac

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Originally Posted by Sento-Frost

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If you're talking about mine, I made a second page that's mostle one procs.
I'll update colors to show the least number of fruit players have added from a certain color, but until theres a +1 proc per color instead of +8, its only really listed to help narrow down.
First page is now just more of a 'these colors can result in this maybe' and I wouldn't trust it besides trying to make an initial big jump towards a desired color.

Made the first page to try to verify whether or not proc numbers mattered and it's clearly been disproven now, so I'm pretty much done updating that one for now

Dang. It appears that the apple progression is fairly predictable, but pears are random as heck.

Right now, my pear progression is: Desert Yellow --> Lime Green --> Honey Yellow --> Lime Green --> Apple Green

I really like this color, so I'm scared to do anything else to it. Thankfully, a guild mate has started on pears as well, and he'll want a darker green than I, so we'll see how his will turn out.

My Guild's Results: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2386383

I'm making what I have so far viewable. You should be able to see the notes on each color.

Chocobo Color Map

I still have a lot of single step data, but I don't have the colors that connect them to the current map.

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Originally Posted by LyricalMelody

I'm making what I have so far viewable. You should be able to see the notes on each color.

Chocobo Color Map

I still have a lot of single step data, but I don't have the colors that connect them to the current map.

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Oooh, this is a really cool idea.

rolanberry red + pear = grape purple

My results so far on chocobo dyeing (I just count the ones who gave the feather grow message):

Desert Yellow + 2 pears + 1 berry= Lime Green (tried that twice)

Lime Green + 1 apple = Desert Yellow

Lime Green + 1 apple + 13 berries = Ceruleum Blue

Seems that I had the same idea as you Lyrical.

I made this while waiting for the PSN issue: http://imgur.com/a/sx1Sq#0

Site used to make the wheel: Kuler Adobe

Color aim: Apple Green <Varsir
Feed 1: 7 pear - result: Lime green - proc: 1
Feed 2: 6 berries - result: Apple Green!

Color Aim: Lotus Pink <Lak
Feed 1: 3 apples - result: Millicorn Yellow - proc: 1
Feed 2: 5 valfruit - result: Cork Brown - proc: 1
Feed 3: 1 Berry - result: Coral Pink - proc: 1
Feed 4: 11 berries - result: Lilac purple - proc: 1
Feed 5: 1 valfruit - coral pink (experiment stopped and reseted)

Color Aim: Soot Black <Tai
Feed 1: 3 berries, 1 apple, 1 pear - result: Cork Brown - proc: 3
Feed 2: 1 berry, 4 apples, 1 pear - result: Millicorn Yellow - proc: 3
Feed 3: 3 berries - result: Cork brown - proc: 3
Feed 4: 3 berries - result: Coral Pink - proc: 3
Feed 5: 4 pears - result: Aldgoat brown - proc: 3 (no longer following experiment)

Color Aim: Dalamud Red <Nicha
Feed 1: 4 apples - result: Millicorn Yellow - proc: 1
Feed 2: 9 apples - pumpkin orange

Color Aim: Dalamud Red <Luvo
Feed 1: 3 apples

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Originally Posted by Crankysorc

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Yes I was talking about yours its ok if you're aware of it ^^
Though I think we can imagine people who told you they fed 25x Apple to get Dalamud red did not wait 6H after each "proc" message. So I think you're being fed misleading data of people thinking all proc message really count ^^'

The map is a great idea, that's what I've been missing most, it'll help us know where to go from other colors than original ^^

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Originally Posted by Schaeffa

Alright! Piggy-backing off of ZReport's data, I wanted to see if it takes the same amount of berries to hit Lavender if I feed them all in one go, so I just fed mine until I received 17 new feather messages. Will report back tomorrow morning. =)

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Finally was able to get back online after that PSN nonsense. 17 feather procs with berries gave me Raptor Blue.

Will update this with chat log screens later on.
EDIT: Here are the chat logs from the feeding and the results. And an in-game image of Beelzebub.

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Originally Posted by Sento-Frost

Yes I was talking about yours its ok if you're aware of it ^^
Though I think we can imagine people who told you they fed 25x Apple to get Dalamud red did not wait 6H after each "proc" message. So I think you're being fed misleading data of people thinking all proc message really count ^^'

The map is a great idea, that's what I've been missing most, it'll help us know where to go from other colors than original ^^

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Yeah I'm sure it probably doesn't even take 10 apples to get there but I don't have enough chocobos to test myself lmao

There's probably something saying effects are diminished after each feeding on the same window ! That would explain a few things. Like first fruit 100% effective, second 95%, etc.

Btw, I got my chocobo to change from Plum Purple(114,75,101) to Gloom Purple(74,62,89) with only ONE berry. That's a lot.

So far I have (from - to - fed) :

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Desert Yellow        216,175        80        Desert Yellow        216,175,80        Berry        1               
Desert Yellow        216,175,80        Desert Yellow        216,175,80        Berry        1               
Desert Yellow        216,175,80        Desert Yellow        216,175,80        Berry        1               
Desert Yellow        216,175,80        Aldgoat Brown        156,128,85        Berry        6               
Aldgoat Brown        156,128,85        Raptor Blue        84,120,188        Berry        16               
Raptor Blue        84,120,188        Plum Purple        114,75,101        Apple        5+Pear4
Plum Purple        114,75,101        Gloom Purple        74,62,89        Berry        1

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Was going for Royal blue from raptor but did stupid things...

Anyways, I'm beginning to think we're not looking at the good values. Maybe that's not playing with RGB but with Hue, Saturation and Luminosity. What do you think ?

Starting Color: Coral Pink
Stable Conditions: Clean
Chocobo Rank 4

All food fed at the start of the 6 hours:
Feed apple -> plumage will change
Feed apple -> plumage will change
Feed apple -> plumage will change
Feed apple -> plumage will change
Feed apple -> plumage will change
Feed apple -> plumage will change
Feed apple -> plumage will change
Feed apple -> plumage will change

Basically, fed 8 apples and never got a feathers are changing message.

Result: Coral Pink

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Originally Posted by stabbitystyle

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That's normal if it's playing with RGB values, look at that extract (all FF colors with higher red than coral pink) :

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Coral Pink        200        101        87
Desert Yellow        216        175        80
Colibri Pink        217        149        198
Millioncorn Yellow        226        152        46
Salmon Pink        226        165        131
Snow White        226        221        205
Rose Pink        228        153        144
Bone White        233        208        154
Cream Yellow        241        212        105
Honey Yellow        250        194        37
Lotus Pink        254        202        244

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You see that if you increase Red more than coral pink's, you need to also rise Green value a lot to obtain an existing color in FF's world. Apples do not raise Green, so you won't get any change from feeding only Apples to your coral pink Chocobo.

At least I think ^^

My most amount fed to see feathers so far has been 12. If you go beyond 15-20, I'm thinking you've maxxed out the range and no more of that fruit will create a change.

So what item should I be using to increase green and blue levels?

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Originally Posted by LyricalMelody

I'm making what I have so far viewable. You should be able to see the notes on each color.

Chocobo Color Map

I still have a lot of single step data, but I don't have the colors that connect them to the current map.

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Have you gone through my tests to get my data on this, or should I fill out the form?

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Originally Posted by stabbitystyle

So what item should I be using to increase green and blue levels?

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Doman Plums. They reduce red, thus bringing out the blue and green :)

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Originally Posted by Zerani

Doman Plums. They reduce red, thus bringing out the blue and green :)

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So they reduce red and increase blue and green? Or just reduce red?

What color do you want in the table I posted ?
Let's say you want Colibri Pink :

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Coral Pink        200        101        87
Colibri Pink        217        149        198

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You need to lighten red of 17 points (which means reinforce red, but to the light colors, not dark ones), lighten green of 48 points, and lighten blue of 109 points.
So you need I'd recommend a combination of plums (increase GB, reduce R values), and a few pineapples too (increase RB reduce G values), in like 2/3 1/3 proportions respectively.

Though the apples you used might have changed the RGB values from coral pink ....

Going through yours and entering it, thank you!

Forget what I said stabbitystyle, I'm tired, I read the values backwards ^^
Apples increase red color, so diminish R value and increase GB values.

My bad....
Here's the table of close colors reducing Red value (so increasing red color)

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Lime Green        166        171        77
Ash Grey        167        162        156
Ice Blue        173        192        202
Sunset Orange        178        85        39
Iris Purple        178        152        183
Ul Brown        178        157        105
Gobbiebag Brown        180        158        130
Coeurl Yellow        182        129        3
Sylph Green        182        182        131
Pumpkin Orange        193        109        31
Cork Brown        197        139        79
Coral Pink        200        101        87

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Originally Posted by Sento-Frost

Forget what I said stabbitystyle, I'm tired, I read the values backwards ^^
Apples increase red color, so diminish R value and increase GB values.

My bad....
Here's the table of close colors reducing Red value (so increasing red color)

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I don't know if you can directly correlate the rgb like that.
Rose Pink (R228, G153, B144) + Apples (deepen red) =
Coral Pink (R200, G101, B87)

or the rgb stuff has me too confused.

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Originally Posted by SyrupnBeavers

As you can tell I'm not really sticking with one fruit because recently my problem has been that my chocobo is simply too lightly coloured and I thought I needed to deepen the greens and blues but at the same time Celeste Green is very close to my ideal colour so I was hoping I could just darken everything at the same time. I'm not sure how to go about doing this.


You might be interested to know that I was able to get to Celeste Green from apple green with O'Ghomoro Berries.

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O_O

Now I'm tempted... >.< Thank you though, very much!

Jayne, can this be added to the Resources on the main page, pretty please?

Chocobo Color Mapping/Planning

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Originally Posted by LyricalMelody

Jayne, can this be added to the Resources on the main page, pretty please?

Chocobo Color Mapping/Planning

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Added to the list of Relevant Links.

Building off my previous post where I was trying to get Turquoise Green I wasted a lot of food discovering that Sky Blue is the stopping point for Doman Plums or that after 32 feeds the RNG hates me and still won't activate a message about growing new feathers.

Raptor Blue (START)
--> Fed 7 Pineapples (1 new feathers)
Seafog Blue
-->2 Pineapple (1 msg)
Corpse Blue
-->4 Pineapple (1 msg)
Celeste Green
-->7 Pear (1 msg)
Apple Green
-->1 Berry (1 msg)
Celeste Green

Celeste Green
-->10 Plum (1 msg)
Sky Blue
-->32 Plum (no message)
WITHDREW FROM STABLE

After feeding 32 plums I abandoned that attempt, withdrawing the chocobo from the stable just to be certain that the food would have no effect on further testing, because it just didn't seem feasible to keep feeding food that may not be doing anything.

I'm still not really sure how to proceed towards my goal, but I think so long as I'm doing it blindly and recording all my steps someone will get some use out of it

So I just stabled my chocobo, which is coral pink, in an attempt to get to plum so I could go to lavender and then colibri. Then I saw Lyrical editing her chart and tried to cancel my feeding.
http://i.imgur.com/ggIqMaV.png

The feather message stopped appearing after I cancelled out the plum with an apple, I think.
It then reappeared on a feeding of valfruit. I did this in the wrong order, because I'm dumb but I think this should prove that the first valfruit before the apple didn't count, even though it got the feathers message.
Now just gotta hope I land on colibri.