Players connot join the party while you are engaged in combat

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Originally Posted by Elkwood

Eldana it may be Rude but Kita has a notorious rep based on the fact he/she has 2500+ posts before they even picked up the game. 90% of all topics he/she comments on turns into flames based on comments he/she makes due to lack of experience/comparing everything to how it was done in XI, so until that rep has subsided based on merit and experience no offense they will continue.

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Regardless of any of this, two wrongs do not make things right. Be respectable if you want people to respect you. And, although they may be known for some negative things, I have seen Kita make points that do make some sense in the past. As I said, their comment was naive, but you are not in any right to try to belittle them because of their rank.

Agreed with this thread, although I can sort of see why it's in place d/cing and just having to stand there and watch my LS fight an NM is kinda lame. It's like they're trying to be protective but in the process it just hurts people who are doing nothing wrong, and makes the game frustrating.

For those talking about Kiting:

If you think there's no Kiting in FFXIV, you'd better join us when we do Drunk Fishing.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

For those talking about Kiting:

If you think there's no Kiting in FFXIV, you'd better join us when we do Drunk Fishing.

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Depends on the type of kiting. That lame kind is where you have to nuke a boss while kiting it for the entire fight. Kiting adds as a mechanic (using roots and snares and other nifty things to keep them at bay) is actually perfectly acceptable.

I don't want to be able to invite players while engaged. It gives power to n00bs and retards. I remember the horrors of XI's early days (before rage timers) where LSs would bring 30+ people to Fafnir and zerg it dead in a 5-6 hour fight because they could just keep throwing people at it by booting the dead.

Rage timers prevent that somewhat, but it still makes shit easier for those who don't wish to learn a strategy. Dodore was a hard NM for most LSs on my server back in Jan for example. If they could have booted their dead tanks and added new ones they'd have zerged it dead no problem.

Right, easy solution to satisfy both parties. If the mob is an NM, don't allow invite while engaged, otherwise allow it. It's probably just the easy mode people who want the power to boot their dead and invite others. I've no problem wiping to an NM because half the party DCed and it has happened. It's a price worth paying to prevent the shit XI had.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I don't want to be able to invite players while engaged. It gives power to n00bs and retards. I remember the horrors of XI's early days (before rage timers) where LSs would bring 30+ people to Fafnir and zerg it dead in a 5-6 hour fight because they could just keep throwing people at it by booting the dead.

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This is more a reflection of how bad encounter design was in FFXI, not that dropping and inviting people while in combat was broken or OP.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Dodore was a hard NM for most LSs on my server back in Jan for example.

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you mean the same dodore that has being solo'd, duo'd, and trio'd since way before the patch that made it loleasy?

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I've no problem wiping to an NM because half the party DCed and it has happened. It's a price worth paying to prevent the shit XI had.

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and once again people are willing to take things that make the game less fun because they are afraid. i had the same worry of zerging, but was looking at more of once the battle starts the party gets locked so only people in the party could rejoin, but not let in new members. that would solve the same worry without the keeping dc'd people out of the fight.

Seems that most of us agree that the issue is people who DC during the fight not being able to rejoin.

Maybe someone could make a thread requesting a fix for that particular problem, and people can start asking for it and hitting the Like button, instead of arguing with people who just want to be able to throw bodies at stuff.

THis has been talked bout sence Beta. It's such a bad design just get ride of it.

As for job switching, I think it was a bad design decision to have DOH/DOL as separate classes who are unable to contribute to combat. It dumbs the missions down to a boring level, and annoys the party when someone was repairing their weapon while someone else engaged. I like being able to make stuff, but doing missions as a crafter is just boring to me; I want to hit stuff to save the world. Originally, DOH/DOL were supposed to help with combat (I think?) but it seems like the idea was scrapped, so having them as a main class should have been scrapped as well, IMHO.

Maybe creating new equipment slots for DOH/DOL tools and subtools, and leaving your main job as a combat class would help? Of course, stats on the tools shouldn't affect your stats during combat, and stats on the weapons shouldn't affect your stats during crafting.