For normal you get a warning first, then you get temp banns before they permbann someone. Sure there are cases where permbanns have to be instant but that should be rare. If ppl continue do same shit again and again there is no need for mercy cause they forced it. They knew what would happen and still did not stop. So what will happen if you let them all in again?Quote:
Originally Posted by moraliania
And nobody really know what happend with the OPs brother, banned ppl always say they didn't do anything and its the mods fault. And it's hard to believe that SE just say they can't do anything cause it's Buisness of the Japanese. Sounds all weird and it looks like that the OP just try to get his/her brother back in even if everyone would have to handle all those banned idiots again...
Devs: Do you have plans to reset the forums in the future?
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01-19-2013, 01:25 AMmoriandrio
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01-19-2013, 01:42 AM-S-a-g-e
@Alerith, but you logic is totally broken here, you are comparing murderers and rapists to people simply speaking their minds. You don't get a life sentence in jail for speaking your mind or occasionally lashing out vocally. Though of course there is a different set of rules at play there should be long ban periods before perma-bans ever come into play. In others defense these forums are a tad more harsh on things said because they are on a Japanese rule set instead of an American one. I've seen my brother say similar things on another game forums and not even get as much as a warning and some people don't realize this. Is that their mistake? Yes totally, but there is still a few steps missing in your ban process that should be addressed and as said before they could really look into a probational privileges for these accounts. Have you ever ran a forum before? Something like this is super easy to set up and is super effective. Limited privileges such as only being able to post in each category a limited amount of times each day with maybe some stipulations regarding your own personal topic/thread, this probational period would last a long period of time and would finally lead back into normal forum access.
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01-19-2013, 02:00 AM-S-a-g-eIt isn't solely about my brother by any means there have been others that have been banned who do not truly deserve a permanent ban. The steps shouldn't go from short ban to permanent ban, with no middle ground for any case unless all their posts are drastic. If you want to go look at my brothers posts majority of them are clean just a few makes sparks fly because he is so opinionated. I have been looking for the post that cause him to be banned but I think it may have been removed, though I read it in the past and I have told you what it said.Quote:
Originally Posted by moriandrio
Since I have seen the situation first hand and we are often in the same household I understand obviously how my brother is better than anyone else here. I can tell you first hand a permanent ban was not deserved in his situation based off what other people get away with saying on these forums all the time. No I am not simply looking for my brother to have his ban removed unjustly but I just think all those guys deserve a chance if they have supported the game and still plan to support the game in the future. -
01-19-2013, 03:32 AMAttacKat
Two things:
1. Lock/readonly all existing posts, so people will not be trying to revive dead/non existing issues for ARR. If any old issues still exists, those concerned should make new posts instead.
2. Unban all the members who are currently banned, and mod the forum source code to add a new "user voted ban" feature.
This feature should allows the forum users to vote which users to ban, and it will work like a counter of the likes/forum posts we have. Once a given user reaches a set limit (1k, 5k, etc), temp ban/permban kicks into effect. To prevent abuse, allow only one vote to be cast to any given member.
This should help the new forum to remove many of the existing troll posters that does nothing but create flaming threads that causes other members to get banned.
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01-19-2013, 03:40 AMMolly_MillionsThey give you an explanation when you are banned. I know from experience. And you get a few warnings before you get a perma-ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by -S-a-g-e
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01-19-2013, 03:51 AMShougunThis is what I've been lurking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly_Millions
If this is true, then those who were perma-banned, should stay banned.
So if:
1. you where told what you did
2. you where given a chance to stop (not including actions gone too far)
3. you got banned anyways
4. then you should stay banned
To OP's particular case I'm curious how he go perma banned while temp banned.. that doesn't seem quite right. Though he may have said something so crazy in another post that they where like "holy crap, banned".
Also I believe they temp ban you first and then discuss further action - so his first action may have been the reason why he was banned, they just had to discuss it first. Like they lock and hide threads temporarily sometimes in order to clean it out, and then they will toss it back out. Bubblez will steal your lulz :D
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01-19-2013, 04:32 AM-S-a-g-eI'm telling you first hand that I have seen both of his emails and only on the first temporary ban did they tell him why the second ban which happened in the middle of his time serving the prior had no excuse whatsoever and they refused to give him an answer through email so he made a call and there they told him it is all handled in Japan and they can't tell him squat all they can do is file a dispute on his behalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly_Millions
The first ban which I understand can be see as hateful and offensive because he directly called someone being born slow in the head or something very close of that nature but never said anything foul,racist, or any other type of bigotry. It is against the UA to directly harass another member of the forums, he understood that and accepted his time allotted ban.The perma-ban blindsided him and was without warning or explanation. I am not disputing his old offenses or anyone elses for that matter.
I am going to stick to my guns here and say what I have been saying, Final Fantasy XIV is about to have it's second chance and so should all of it's paying players. We are expected to let them have a chance to redeem themselves then they should be held to the same standard as us. Give those who were banned from previous forums behavior and actions a second chance with the start of the new game. I've pretty much said all that I can say about this and you either agree or your disagree, hopefully we will get a dev response on this and their plans in the very near future. -
01-19-2013, 04:38 AMReinheart
Everyone posting reason why they should stay banned, there is no point in posting on this thread. No matter what we put it's just going to go in loop. It's just wasting your energy. Might as well post something better on other threads.
As to -S-a-g-e all I can say is asking for help on forums probably won't help your brother at all. I suggest keep on going back to customer service to get this resolved. -
01-19-2013, 04:51 AMShougunB-b-but Reinheart.. I already posted in all the threads.. I want to post in this one now! *stomps* lol :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
Getting unperma banned is pretty unheard of though.. Since its just the forums I'd think they are easier* to hand those (bans) out as its not the game or their money source.
*If all the OP's bro said in very similar words "wow you are a slow person huh?" and that lead to a perma ban - thats pretty easy on the hand outs. Thats assuming OP is telling the full truth though -
01-19-2013, 05:28 AMMolly_MillionsI've said worse than that and I'm still here, so I'm guessing that's not the whole truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun