Do we really need the Scions again?

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Originally Posted by Striker44

There's nothing stopping them from introducing new characters alongside the familiar cast. Zero has become a main character and Vrtra a major supporting character throughout the 6.x patches while certain Scions are still involved. But yes, whether you or I personally like it or not, we "really do" need the Scions again. They're tremendously popular among the playerbase at large and our main "party" for this FF adventure. They're not going anywhere.

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The problem with that is it's hard to introduce new characters when the main cast is already full of 8 people. Everytime a new character was introduced, it was with a smaller team. Even when Ryne was introduced, the first thing the story did was find a way to push the twins away for one zone, while Y'shtola was not in the equation yet, so the new character would not be drown under existing characters. Same for Zero. It's hard to imagine them introduce more than one (maybe two) main characters, and they will be in competition with the old ones.

I'm also part of the people that thought the 6.0 last scene was a declaration of intention for the characters, but it wasn't. I was slightly disappointed when I saw that half of the trailer was basically there just to say "Yeah, they all will be there". My biggest issue is that except for Estinien, all the scions have the same background : scholar from Sharlayan. It made sense with ShB and EW, but I wish we'd go back to more diverse cast, like in ARR (with Cid, Biggs and Wedge being important) HW (with Ysayle and Estinien) or SB (with Hien, Gosetsu, Yugiri, or even Lyse). I like (most of) the scion, but a little variety after 2 extensions would be nice. Keep some, add new characters, and then in the next expansion, take other, and leave the one you had in the previous one.

Now, I still have interest in the next extension, but I feel they just missed the perfect opportunity to introduce new cast member. I have difficulties to feel the adventure and going to the discovery of a not well known continent with 5 scholars of the world most advanced and knowledgeable country in my backpack.

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Originally Posted by Koros

And simps like you are a very small amount of the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

forum challenge: take a shot every time someone vaguely mentions a silent majority (bonus shot if they change the number every time) or minority in their post

you will not survive.

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Regardless of whether or not I agree with you, I made a pledge to take a shot when this happens. This is an equal opportunity drinking game.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

The problem with that is it's hard to introduce new characters when the main cast is already full of 8 people. Everytime a new character was introduced, it was with a smaller team.

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That seems to be the plan here, though. Split the Scions into multiple groups, so we're only travelling with a few of them and some new or relatively low-on-screentime allies and whoever we are working with on arrival. Then the others might be popping in and out of the story as "rivals" but not constantly present or taking up time in cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Likewise. I'm active on Twitter as well as the official forums and I've seen very mixed reactions to the Scions over the years on a rather consistent basis.

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That explains so much. You do understand how Twitter is engineered to feed you a constant stream of only the things you engage with most, right? Confirmation bias is literally built into it as a feature. Considering your usual attitudes, Twitter's algorithm would naturally feed you a constant stream of negativity to reinforce your pre-exsiting biases, leading you to the conclusion that everyone agrees with you.

Reality check: Twitter is not and will never be an accurate sampling of the population.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

That explains so much. You do understand how Twitter is engineered to feed you a constant stream of only the things you engage with most, right? Confirmation bias is literally built into it as a feature. Considering your usual attitudes, Twitter's algorithm would naturally feed you a constant stream of negativity to reinforce your pre-exsiting biases, leading you to the conclusion that everyone agrees with you.

Reality check: Twitter is not and will never be an accurate sampling of the population.

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Except when it's feeding you uwu g'raha so cute he nom some taco ^_^ content, I'm sure.

Regardless, your poorly veiled strawman argument collapses given that he is just following certain content creators on there, ones who simply cover news on the game, rather than running with whatever the algorithm is showing him as recommended content to follow, and on those content creator's threads, debate about the Scions does occur there too. He never claimed Twitter is an accurate sampling of the population, but then what is when it comes to XIV? Whatever confirms to you that the Scions are oh so popular and no one would ever want to see them go? Right.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

leading you to the conclusion that everyone agrees with you.

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I highly doubt he's trying to say that EVERYONE agrees with him.

Especially considering that the claim Koros and he were disputing was that this is the only place where Scion criticism comes up.

But saying "people on Twitter complain too" is like saying "water is wet." People on Twitter can find ways to complain about literally anything. It's practically a non-argument.

Continue coping.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

But saying "people on Twitter complain too" is like saying "water is wet." People on Twitter can find ways to complain about literally anything. It's practically a non-argument.

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so by that standard you can just pretend everything is fine any time people complain

"people on the forums complain so it's ok its a non argument"
"people in game complain so it's ok its a non argument"
"people on reddit complain so it's ok its a non argument"
"people on twitter complain so it's ok its a non argument"

so basically any sort of complaint is a non argument and should be ignored

what a take lmao