In light of the recent discussions about 3rd party tools I have a bold suggestion

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

Don't like someone using ACT? Screenshot them berating you or someone else over a parse and they'll catch a ban.

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This can still happen with ACT being legal to use and stream with. I genuinely do not understand why everyone believes it will be mutually exclusive. WoW culture has done irreparable damage to the MMO community by creating this fearful mentality.

A personal DPS graph that shows other players would have to be scaled by item level so two players of the same class with different item levels would produce the same results for the same rotations. Knowing your DPS in a group doesn't help much if everyone else in the party has an item level 100 higher than yours.

I sometimes wonder if the classes would be less homogenized if ACT didn't exist.

Then again they did remove stance dancing, emnity rotations, and any sort of skill involved in holding threat for tanks, which would have little to do with ACT as a whole. So probably not as some of the changes are just kind of bad in general and aren't related to parsing.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

A personal DPS graph that shows other players would have to be scaled by item level so two players of the same class with different item levels would produce the same results for the same rotations. Knowing your DPS in a group doesn't help much if everyone else in the party has an item level 100 higher than yours.

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This is why I feel such a thing as a DPS meter is irrelevant. Before a group ever considers parsing, they should first be looking to everyone's gear / melds / food. Is everyone in the minimum ideal setup? The next thing to look at is how they're handling mechanics and keeping their rotations going. Once you do a clean run and there's still an enrage, then it's time to look at how everyone is performing.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

No thanks,

It will still reinforce meta on the wrong hands & ultimately become a norm; its what happened to WoW & not many were happy about it,

Parse shouldn’t be a thing at all

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Grey. Irrelevant opinions.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

By all means, criticize the Terms of Service, they do have some vague enough components. But this thread is hardly about criticizing them versus trying to discredit peoples' arguments regarding third-party tools because they either do not care about their argument or because they do not raid or parse, or equally because some of these add-ons are niche and therefore should not be considered.

Sorry but this entire thread is essentially unconducive to productive debate.



There is no realistic or tangible solution to the problem. You either start cracking down on your terms of service and ensure that people abide by them when you take a hard stance on the matter. Or you give a list of permissible tools and add-ons which is not a feasible undertaking due to the necessity to constantly revise said list when features change of a given add-on or when new ones are released. Just isn't feasible unless you enjoy scouring the entire internet. Personally, I think it's clear enough already.

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They're not going to provide a list, they've said this already. They say it's against the ToS but at the same time say they can't track what people do. It shouldn't be that hard to understand what they're saying: "We're going to say this is wrong but we can't actually stop you from using them unless you make it public." They're neither cracking down or going to provide anything, it's going to be on people screwing up and livestreaming add-ons or harassing people over their parse. Otherwise, there is literally nothing that is going to happen to anyone.

That's what is clear to me.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

They're not going to provide a list, they've said this already. They say it's against the ToS but at the same time say they can't track what people do. It shouldn't be that hard to understand what they're saying: "We're going to say this is wrong but we can't actually stop you from using them unless you make it public." They're neither cracking down or going to provide anything, it's going to be on people screwing up and livestreaming add-ons or harassing people over their parse. Otherwise, there is literally nothing that is going to happen to anyone.

That's what is clear to me.

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Always as been. They always looked away as long as nobody made a mess of things publicly.

We all know people who boldy claimed they used mods in tchat disapear, we all got that one friend that always parsed in static before saying just the wrong thing at the wrong time and going up in smoke. I think most of you lot can even remember the debacle of the nsfw mods that saw another ban waves. Every now and then people get moronic thinking "hey! they won't ban us for it, we can use those things willy nilly!" utterly forgetting that every now and then people DO get banned over it, and that every two years almost like clockwork there's another massive ban waves for the same reasons.

It's against TOS. We know they know some use them, and they don't go gestapo on their ass as long as nobody talk about it, show them or publicize them. It's the literal first fucking rule of Fight Club : you don't speak about Fight Club.

Just remember that, keep quiet if you use them, don't show them on stream if you do, don't even fucking think about mentioning them at all. If you stream and can't live without mods, learn to live without them. At least until this blow over one way or another.

I don't use mods myself but I know people who do, and I don't want to find some of my friends banned because suddenly this year was the year that broke the camel back regarding mods.

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Originally Posted by Wolfund

Always as been. They always looked away as long as nobody made a mess of things publicly.

We all know people who boldy claimed they used mods in tchat disapear, we all got that one friend that always parsed in static before saying just the wrong thing at the wrong time and going up in smoke. I think most of you lot can even remember the debacle of the nsfw mods that saw another ban waves. Every now and then people get moronic thinking "hey! they won't ban us for it, we can use those things willy nilly!" utterly forgetting that every now and then people DO get banned over it, and that every two years almost like clockwork there's another massive ban waves for the same reasons.

It's against TOS. We know they know some use them, and they don't go gestapo on their ass as long as nobody talk about it, show them or publicize them. It's the literal first fucking rule of Fight Club : you don't speak about Fight Club.

Just remember that, keep quiet if you use them, don't show them on stream if you do, don't even fucking think about mentioning them at all. If you stream and can't live without mods, learn to live without them. At least until this blow over one way or another.

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Pretty much this.

>Make thread asking people who don't do content and don't know what they're talking about to stop giving misinformed opinions
>People who don't do content and don't know what they're talking about fill the thread with their misinformed opinions
>mfw
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I could care less if players use mods and 3rd party stuff. The difference is when they flaunt it in game or record it like on Twitch.

Use it and keep it to yourselves, but be ready for any consequences that minght happen.