Mentor system needs an overhaul

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

You need to define what you think normal content difficulty is.

Dungeons? Normal 8 Man raids? 24 man raids? Eureka Raids?

Because I can assure you, I see a LOT of failure from the FFXIV userbase in all of that content which tells me they are nowhere near ready for EX.

There is a pretty sizable difference between Dungeons and EX's. Usually, in current EX content, a few deaths and it's a wipe due to enrage. SE has loosened those enrages over the years because the overall playerbase is (IMHO) poor.

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Anything that doesn't have a little label beside the name. What you just described? Is normal content.

When they have the label Extreme, Savage, Ultimate? That's not normal. With the exclusion of Baldesion Arsenal.

And this isn't about the majority of the userbase. This is about mentors. The topic of discussion.

Edit: Also. ARR [ Hard ] is considered Normal content.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

IMHO Extremes have no business being in Mentor Content. That level of play requires a lot more coordination and prep than most people are actually prepared for.

Complex mechanics can't easily be explained via the chat log, when instead you could simply watch a quick video.

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Never touched a single extreme content (nor do I plan to), but in my experience seeing mechanics in a video and reacting to them in-person in the actual fights are not always compatible. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't at all. But I guess it helps so far as that someone is not completely surprised or taken "off-guard" by new mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi

Never touched a single extreme content (nor do I plan to), but in my experience seeing mechanics in a video and reacting to them in-person in the actual fights are not always compatible. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't at all. But I guess it helps so far as that someone is not completely surprised or taken "off-guard" by new mechanics.

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Because of how "slow" the game is in that type of content (or in general, with the exception of stuff like UWU gaols), reading or watching a guide is extremely useful because people definitely have the time to remember what they memorized from a guide when the mechanic plays out and there is little to no mechanics that should take them off guard if they come prepared.


I agree with players who think EX should not be in mentor roulette. Doing harder content takes a specific mindset a lot of sprouts do not have (yet?) and it will often end up as a waste of time for everyone involved.
It's not a "mentors being incompetent" problem, it's a "game not properly warning what the content entails while giving quests encouraging the use of DF for it" problem, which is why when you get an EX trial in roulette, it's almost always an ARR one.

So I typically have to chew out mentors once or twice a week when they queue for leveling and they try to yell at the low levels for wanting the XP or treasures for gear.

They always whine they want to run through the dungeon as quickly as possible and not everyone here is for leveling.

Which I remind them they queued for leveling and just because they want to keep their mentor status that’s not those players problems.

I absolutely hate mentors they can turn an easy raid into drama when they whine about mechanics. They can seriously turn any situation into a negative one

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

Which I remind them they queued for leveling and just because they want to keep their mentor status that’s not those players problems

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They qued for a roulette, roulettes exist to help everyone get the content they want done, not to GOGOGOGO "I want my roulette reward" as if this is some sort of competition.

You did the right thing in chewing out those people, because they really forget this is a video game.

The mentor system could do with some tweaks, though here on the EU servers it seems to be working fairly well. Cerberus' novice network is pretty active and if a player asks a question, it's usually answered quickly and with efficiency. I've even seen people ask if someone can help them with a specific raid or dungeon and get multiple players invite them to a group.

Personally I'm not inclined to support statements that imply that most or even all mentors are terrible and unhelpful. They're not - I've encountered a fair few who give sound advice and who are genuine.

I'm also not one to pretend as if players requiring aid cannot be a certain kind of toxic, as evidenced by discriminating against all mentors.

Furthermore, let's not forget that mentors are not paid for their time or advice. It's a voluntary position.

i think they should remove the mount for doing mentor roulettes. (its too much of a magnet for player who dont even think about helping)
i think they should remove the extreme fights from the mentor roulettes. (mentor should be there to help with the basics. with returning mechanics, orientation in the open world and the jobs.... not to pull people through content one should work and getting better to go through)
i think they should change the mentor symbol. (its not a very pretty crown, but still a sign for power, what some poeple like to display)

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

So I typically have to chew out mentors once or twice a week when they queue for leveling and they try to yell at the low levels for wanting the XP or treasures for gear.

They always whine they want to run through the dungeon as quickly as possible and not everyone here is for leveling.

Which I remind them they queued for leveling and just because they want to keep their mentor status that’s not those players problems.

I absolutely hate mentors they can turn an easy raid into drama when they whine about mechanics. They can seriously turn any situation into a negative one

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Just clarifying that queuing up for Leveling Roulette has zero bearing on whether or not a mentor keeps their status. You don’t have to touch a single roulette and can keep that. Just stay up to date with each expansion update where they up the requirements in terms of job level requirements.

But, to be fair, it is quite exhausting when you explain fight mechanics and people don’t do them. It’s one thing if the player is new and trying to learn the timing. It’s another if they aren’t new and are just being hard-headed or don’t want to perform their role.

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

Which I remind them they queued for leveling and just because they want to keep their mentor status that’s not those players problems.

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That's not how mentorship works

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

So I typically have to chew out mentors once or twice a week when they queue for leveling and they try to yell at the low levels for wanting the XP or treasures for gear.

They always whine they want to run through the dungeon as quickly as possible and not everyone here is for leveling.

Which I remind them they queued for leveling and just because they want to keep their mentor status that’s not those players problems.

I absolutely hate mentors they can turn an easy raid into drama when they whine about mechanics. They can seriously turn any situation into a negative one

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Do you mean like full clears? That is not a mentor thing, generally most people do not push for full clears amount of exp is not worth the extra time.