Nidhogg!?

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Originally Posted by Skies

I say this because from what I gather the name 'Nidhogg' was used by some somewhat famous XI HNM? And I have the feeling people are 100% sure it'll be the same thing here.

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Nidhogg was a dragon from Norse Mythology, and a King HNM in XI. They could just as easily use Jörmungandr as a King type NM in XIV. Technically he was a serpent not a dragon, but his place in mythology was just as prominent as Nidhogg, or Cerberus.

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Originally Posted by Amage

Ok why did theymake it pop HNM
1. Abyssea
2. the gear doesnt compare to Abyssea
3. People who didnt have ls or wanted to get the gear they wanted like dring etc was easier .
4. People who dont have the brain cells to see that Abyssea blows out any king gear

Reason all Hardcore players left FFXI was because all their hard work was killed in 1 patch
Relic's out Done by weapons u can get 1 day

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The bold is the reason i left XI Abyssea didn't kill the game for me the devs did with making all my shit useless in one patch.

XI is still XI and i would have loved the game regardless of how abyssea turned out.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Oh? But I thought content created the need to Bot? Guess your MMO experience is pretty limited, because botting/hacking in PvP is the main use bots and hacks get in competitive MMOs.

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Nothing creates the need to bot. Ppl bot just because ppl bot, content can only further encourage or discourage botting. And hacking is entirely different from botting, and is not the subject of this discussion. Nice try sneaking that in there but no. Hacking is a different beast altogether, although like botting hacking doesn't really affect you except for certain circumstances.

I've done a looot of pvp, and botting had no affect on me. There is not alot you can do with a bot that normal ppl couldnt do as far as pvp is concerned, and the advantage it gives is relatively small. Sure you can bot heal yourself so you dont have to do it, but a good pvp player could do that anyway just as effectively.

Hacking obviously breaks pvp altogether, but we are not talking about hacking.

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How does HNMs affect your gameplay when PvP doesn't? For one to talk about exaggerations, you seem to be in a weird line of thinking that a gameplay feature would have less of an effect on you than an optional monster to kill.

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PvP is optional as well. Whats your point? As I've already discussed, botting in pvp offers very little advantage. It gives you convenience, and makes you less prone to error, but a "good" player is not very prone to error anyway. A bot cannot beat a good player regularly just because its a bot. A bot will beat a "good" player at an HNM spawn precisely because it is a bot. HNMs and PvP are entirely different, thus botting has different effects on both of them. I can pwn a botter at PvP, I can't beat a botter to an HNM claim no matter what I do. The advantages of botting on HNMs are far more than the advantages of botting for PvP.

For someone with so much experience you should know this anyway. I don't know why im even explaining it.

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Originally Posted by Firon

The bold is the reason i left XI Abyssea didn't kill the game for me the devs did with making all my shit useless in one patch.

XI is still XI and i would have loved the game regardless of how abyssea turned out.

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It seemed pretty obvious to me that when they started increasing the level cap after it had been stuck at 75 for so many years that this would be the first thing to happen.

Old gear would be superseded by the new.

This happens in almost any MMO of course.

I don't know why you would be so attached to gear and items like that, personally I would be glad to have something new to work towards.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

It seemed pretty obvious to me that when they started increasing the level cap after it had been stuck at 75 for so many years that this would be the first thing to happen.

Old gear would be superseded by the new.

This happens in almost any MMO of course.

I don't know why you would be so attached to gear and items like that, personally I would be glad to have something new to work towards.

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Why wouldn't you be attached to a shield that took you 3 out the 7 years you played to get?

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Originally Posted by Amage

Ok why did theymake it pop HNM
1. Abyssea
2. the gear doesnt compare to Abyssea
3. People who didnt have ls or wanted to get the gear they wanted like dring etc was easier .
4. People who dont have the brain cells to see that Abyssea blows out any king gear

Reason all Hardcore players left FFXI was because all their hard work was killed in 1 patch
Relic's out Done by weapons u can get 1 day

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Try answering my questions for once. AV and PW have nothing to do with Abyssea, so try again.

Don't play the Abyssea ruined the game for me card while you're at it, that is a weak excuse to change topic. I also doubt your list of examples about Abyssea because you cannot make and upgrade empyrean weapons in one day. It takes at least a month or two of farming and killing NMs with a group of dedicated players. I guess you didn't know you can also upgrade Relic weapons to either.

edit: I've proven you wrong twice with your weak speculation. equipment will get outdone by higher level, this is common in all mmo

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Originally Posted by Firon

Why wouldn't you be attached to a shield that took you 3 out the 7 years you played to get?

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I duno because its just an in game item, I guess if the stats are better on a new item I would gladly replace it.

MMO's are mostly about new shiny gear for me though.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Why wouldn't you be attached to a shield that took you 3 out the 7 years you played to get?

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Very few people will ever be able to feel the awesome feeling of accomplishment of holding a Relic. Especially during the years where it was extremelle, extremelly difficult to obtain one.

On topic however: Nidhogg, ohhh yeaahh :)

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I duno because its just an in game item, I guess if the stats are better on a new item I would gladly replace it.

MMO's are mostly about new shiny gear for me though.

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thats fine tho but when the devs state for 5 years in a row @ Vanafest we have no plans to raise lvl cap then when they do and make all your shit pointless ppl are gonna be mad.

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Originally Posted by Firon

thats fine tho but when the devs state for 5 years in a row @ Vanafest we have no plans to raise lvl cap then when they do and make all your shit pointless ppl are gonna be mad.

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you can upgrade them.. all relics and mythic is upgradable.

But that is a different game. This is FFXIV and we are no where near endgame yet.