Change The Rules For Leaving Dungeons (aka Why People Insta-Quit Castrum Meridianum)

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

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Not to be too off topic, but there are other routes to getting a pretty satisfying amount of XP for your time. Personally, I did regular roulette + alliance raid daily with a variety of other stuff, such as MSQ, deep dungeon or even PVP. If you're not liking MSQ, I highly recommend trying one of those instead, maybe doing MSQ once a week or so.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Not to be too off topic, but there are other routes to getting a pretty satisfying amount of XP for your time. Personally, I did regular roulette + alliance raid daily with a variety of other stuff, such as MSQ, deep dungeon or even PVP. If you're not liking MSQ, I highly recommend trying one of those instead, maybe doing MSQ once a week or so.

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I got 10 million xp from running my Trust and the 77 dungeon with instant queues as a DPS. I had gotten Castrum earlier and it awarded about the same. I too have had pretty bad luck lately getting Praetorium on Chaos. I plan on pushing my MCH and DNC to 80 today with my main on Siren. They both gained a level yesterday to 79. Now that they're both 79 I'll be running Mount Gulg and I suspect the experience will be closer to 12 million.

My luck with a friend has been pretty bad where we are now calling Main Story Roulette, Castrum Roulette.

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Originally Posted by Novaura

Nearly every time I have got Castrum Meridianum in Main Scenario roulette over the last few months, there is a player who leaves the dungeon before it even starts and it is becoming more and more ridiculous. Because as soon as one player quits, everyone else follows suit.

The rules for leaving dungeons need to be changed. There I am asking for a rule that I call the "Castrum Meridianum" rule. Make it so that at least 15 minutes passes before a player leaves a dungeon willingly thereby discouraging a player from leaving and that have to stay and support their party instead of continously abandoning them and making them either wait for a replacement or leaving the dungeon and forcing them to requeue, in DPS instances for a long time.

It's time that players of this game step up and help each other out. This is a game that makes you do that and if that is beyond your comprehension, then just stop playing.

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Someone leaving isn't a big deal. Better to have them leave than to have them AFK at the entrance doing nothing so the party can't replace them. Castrum refills fast enough. A healer and a couple of DPS can easily clear the trash heading to the first boss while waiting for the queue to add in a tank if they play it smart instead of chain pulling the entire mass. I've done it when both tanks left at the start

You're not going to change anything by increasing the penalties. You're just going to make the experience even worse.

Yeah forcing people to stay in a dungeon they do not want to be in for 15 minutes would lead to a great experience for all.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Yeah forcing people to stay in a dungeon they do not want to be in for 15 minutes would lead to a great experience for all.

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Yeah expecting people to actually do the whole 2 dungeons they queue for is bad. Why should anyone expect them to hang around. They should remove Castrum from the roulette and just have Praetorium.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Yeah expecting people to actually do the whole 2 dungeons they queue for is bad. Why should anyone expect them to hang around. They should remove Castrum from the roulette and just have Praetorium.

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Expecting anyone to do anything in a video game is a fool's errand, granted I am a cynical sack of potatoes.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I have to wait 7 minutes after pressing Hallowed Ground because I didn't want to take damage. A temporary suspension on being invulnerable. Welcome to hyperboles my friend.
Leaving a dungeon is always an option, as it always should. You cannot trap players in places they don't want to be, and like I said before this is a good thing it'll free up spots for players that actually do want to be there.

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Any rule that's enforced in the game involves an option. If you didn't have the option to do certain things they wouldn't have to add punishments to deter you from doing them. If you can't or don't want to run then you shouldn't queue; that's the rule. Bailing on a group screws over the group, and that's what they're trying to discourage with the penalty.

If the existing penalty isn't discouraging people then more penalties are necessary.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Any rule that's enforced in the game involves an option. If you didn't have the option to do certain things they wouldn't have to add punishments to deter you from doing them. If you can't or don't want to run then you shouldn't queue; that's the rule. Bailing on a group screws over the group, and that's what they're trying to discourage with the penalty.

If the existing penalty isn't discouraging people then more penalties are necessary.

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Not necessarily. Making the dungeon more appealing by improving the rewards - or lessening the disparity in rewards from that roulette - is also an option (this particular for MSQ roulette). So is reworking these into the solo duties they should've been to begin with.

The answer doesn't have to immediately be throwing more penalties at the problem. And as others have said, it could just cause more problems. Whether that's less people queuing at all or more people sitting afk expecting a kick, the end result seems like it'd be a pretty minimal improvement, if there would be an improvement at all.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Not necessarily. Making the dungeon more appealing by improving the rewards - or lessening the disparity in rewards from that roulette - is also an option (this particular for MSQ roulette). So is reworking these into the solo duties they should've been to begin with.

The answer doesn't have to immediately be throwing more penalties at the problem. And as others have said, it could just cause more problems. Whether that's less people queuing at all or more people sitting afk expecting a kick, the end result seems like it'd be a pretty minimal improvement, if there would be an improvement at all.

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I suggested earlier simply locking you into whichever MSQ you roll in the roulette. Meaning if you get Castrum when you roll and DC or get kicked, then you'll keep getting Castrum every time you queue until your daily is finished. That would prevent this without necessarily punishing people more.

Regardless, increasing rewards isn't really a solution to this. The 2 will never be perfectly balanced, so there will always be 1 that everyone is trying to avoid.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Any rule that's enforced in the game involves an option. If you didn't have the option to do certain things they wouldn't have to add punishments to deter you from doing them. If you can't or don't want to run then you shouldn't queue; that's the rule. Bailing on a group screws over the group, and that's what they're trying to discourage with the penalty.

If the existing penalty isn't discouraging people then more penalties are necessary.

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Waiting a couple of seconds for a new person to join screws the group?

You're not entitled to that specific person's time. You're not entitled to anyone's time. If the person decides to leave for any given reason, the devs have put the option there. There's no arguing about it. And the "well, if they queued for it, they must be forced to run it" comes from a place of, honestly, butthurt.

Again, the devs put there an option for anyone to leave any duty, for whatever reason, and no one is entitled to anyone's time. You don't get to dictate what people do with their time and if them leaving offends you, it's your choice to get offended over it.

There's also the ridiculous notion of people here expecting others to lose their account, just because they left one dungeon right at the beginning.