Housing

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Originally Posted by kaynide

This might be a bit heartless, but I would say restrict the M or L sized houses to FCs only. Then on top of that, have said FCs require a certain number of active members online... both during purchase and regularly in play.

Again nothing crazy, maybe something like 8 online same time to purchase the L, 4 different accounts enter every 45 days or so to negate demolition.

End result makes more effort to have larger FCs if housing is your jam...and should severely negate the 1 person FC housing nonsense.

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Free Company size does not dictate the size of the estate. Especially when some people literally don't care and just want the buffs. What you're theorizing isn't heartless, it's nonsensical.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

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Fair PVP is one player vs one player, not several versus one. Never mind. We will never agree anyway. Now, it's just trying to have the last words. It's kind of useless talk. You wil no change my opinion, neither I will change yours. Let's stop that.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

This might be a bit heartless, but I would say restrict the M or L sized houses to FCs only. Then on top of that, have said FCs require a certain number of active members online... both during purchase and regularly in play.

Again nothing crazy, maybe something like 8 online same time to purchase the L, 4 different accounts enter every 45 days or so to negate demolition.

End result makes more effort to have larger FCs if housing is your jam...and should severely negate the 1 person FC housing nonsense.

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I am not a fan of this idea. I hate the thought that I cant buy a house just because I dont have control over an FC.

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Originally Posted by Ever_is_the_night

Housing was meant to be competitive from the very first day. The FC with the most gil or the one that would have enough gil by the time the plot had devalued significantly could claim it as theirs. Even though housing prices are nothing but a sad joke nowadays, the competitiveness remained through player transactions.

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This has been discussed. Can you provide proof that this is how the devs intend it (as a PvP experience) because for me (and a few others in here) that does not sound logical. IT also took me more then a year to even stumble upon that idea.

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

PVP, since it is some kind of RNG if you succeed to connect to the game when there is a rush or to connect the random right time?

I agree for auctions. But still, it as nothing to do with some kind of PVP, there's nothing fair. The current system is just a big mess.

Accomplishment? When the rules were to be connected (if you succeed to connect without 90002) in daytime (thanks for the people who are working) and rush in housing areas to buy and let other people left behind?

You call that a fair competition and fair accomplishment?! What a joke!

You're in the game since the Beta, you are leaving for more than 45 days, whatever the reason it is, you lose your house? When they said we would never lose house?
There's nothing fair, that's just a big trick.

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To be fair to YP. When he said that they didnt have plans to change it. But things changed and he had to walk that back. People need to understand things are rarely set in stone and these things can and often enough DO change.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Going to post all my responses in no particular order (don't feel like multi-quoting)

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I like this post. I am going to argue against it but please take it with a grain of salt as I am doing it is intended with respect. I realize that was not always the case but it is now

So you mention this

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Originally Posted by EaMett

"meant to be hard/limited so as to give owning one a sense of accomplishment".

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I dont think you realize but I always intended it to be the same way, I just believe these words have been interpreted differently.

In my scenario (scenario 1), it is designed to reward the players that work their ass off, crafting selling, rouletting, treasure hunting, doing whatever and everything you can to aquire the gil you need to buy a mansion Then once you HAVE the gil, you are (Supposed to be) free to go and buy your mansion. you made 50 million gil! go enjoy the quality of life you earned it cuz making 50 million gil is not easy! (maybe its easier with the inflation of players, but thats another story)

Scenario 2 peope chose a completely different interpretation namely its a RACE to get to 50 million gil as fast as possible, first 3 players get the mansions al the losers who took their time to get to 50 million gil TOO BAD! wait till someone relinquishes their mansion (NEVER happens) and then it's another race to get there first

Scenario 2 is nuts!! (in my opinion!!) I'm not attacking you. I just think for anyone to have that thought process behind something that many people inherantly assume is a QoL mechanic

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Originally Posted by EaMett

This was a community request.

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This freaks me out!
I've seen it some youtubers as wel. Cool youtubers like Meoni who just do everything and talks about how fun the game is... and veteran final fantasy youtubers that are used to running around like god in a vido game, complaining about the devs making crafting accessable to new players, or the lvl 70 boost mogstation sales. People (elitists) need to understand that there are a lot of people in this game, a lot of them are new (me included) we want to enjoy a lot of the end game, and the game is old!! Change is inherent!
This is why I really did not like you (at first) you sound like an elitist with a mansion that likes to run around showing off and rubbing it in peoples faces. This because elitists like to "interpret" the devs in a way that benefits them and sprout it around like its fact.
If you DO find a letter of a dev stating their philosophy behind their ward system. I would LOVE to read it!! because what you said "meant to be hard/limited so as to give owning one a sense of accomplishment" can very easily be interpreted as scenario 1 (my interpretation) or scenario 2 (the pvp interpretation) And I would really like to know which is correct!!!

I hope you're wrong....

I can accept the disagreement above, but the current business model simply doesn’t allow for most players to own a home. So unless they restrict ownership of the L and M size homes in some way, it is just going to suck for most people.

I mean, it is entirely possible for my account alone to own 9 different houses with shenanigans and loopholes out of the available 2,500 on my server. A server that supposedly has about 5,000 players (it’s a full one).

So, I would hate it personally as our FC of 8 has 3 Ls 2 Ms and 4 Ss would lose houses.. but I can’t really think of any other way other than “omg just add more wards!”

(And who knows, perhaps that is what they are doing with Ishgard)

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Originally Posted by kaynide

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I've found a FC who own two full wards... I really don't get why they designed things that way. Did they expect players to be reasonable and fair? Even considering RP it is going too far. They designed wards too fast. People were asking housing and they just designed an extended version of Aion housing (without the auction system).

Before the release of the first wards, most people were talking about instancied personal islands (more or less what Wildstar created).

The tricky thing is wards are heavy for only one reason (after all the system can handle one single player in Eureka, Squadrons and so, then it is not one player - one instance the problem), the problem is really simple : they need to load all the gardens items.

If they could solve this specific problem, they could probably solve a big part of the availbility matter. And to alleviate the system faster, they could modify the apartements with offering different sizes and adding some kind of greenhouse (the faster and cleaner way).

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

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Truth be told I would rather they completely erase the housing wards entirely and just do instanced housing.. ideally with larger yard space and/or a higher cap to placement. Basically like how FC private rooms work, but loading an exterior area. No real good way to implement that without hurt feelings though. Again, I personally own 2 houses + FC estate.. I don't wanna give those up...but I would accept it if that's what the Devs decided.

I mean, even "in game" it doesn't really make sense story-wise not to be able to purchase a house. Yes, it's a game.. but in story every character is supposed to be the hero/savior of the world... quite possibly loaded to the gills with cash...but can't find a house to live in? Talk about NIMBY. The locals afraid of a tax hike if a celebrity moves into the neighborhood?

It's been said ad nauseum, but.... Instanced housing. Keep the Wards and/or Neighborhoods, but make the housing itself phased/instanced. This would solve pretty much every problem with housing.