No More Big Pulls in Dungeons

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Originally Posted by Bakugekiki

IT'S NOT A RACE, PEOPLE!!! When you do a dungeon, you are committed to it for 90 minutes, and while it should never take nearly that long with a decent party, there's no need to attempt to blitz through it and risk a wipe, either. Stop trying to be a hero, and concentrate your attacks on one enemy at a time! I guarantee, they will go down a lot quicker individually, than if you try to take out 213128901 of them at once.

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It's mathematically impossible for single targeting to out DPS mass pulls. On BLM for example Flare on 3 targets is effectively just over 1000 potency. That's more than Xenoglossy or a Thunder 3 proc.

The time saved from AoE's doesn't have to be the motivation for mass pulls anyway. I don't care how long my dungeons take, but I always prefer big pulls because they're simply more interesting and in addition, optimizing is fun.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

How about you respect the time of your party members? Why queue if you're not going to?

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A common opinion I see is if the majority of the party wants to go fast, that should override the rest of the party's opinion. I don't agree though. When you queue in for a dungeon you're basically saying that you have enough time to complete it no matter what party you're matched with. Going in with the expectation that people should follow your particular standards is definitely unfounded. If party members disagree on how to handle the dungeon, try to work it out. If that fails, then kick for different playstyles or leave and try the PF where you can restrict entry to suit your needs.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

1) you should be using cooldowns to start with. holdimg defensives until your health dips low is a waste of them.

2) no healer who knows what theyre doing is going to keep you constantly topped off. They're going to let you dip low so they can dps and then heal you up as needed.

3) your test pull should always be large because everyones cooldowns are available at the start.

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I agree. The second heal I try to cast as WHM is Benediction (first is Assize but I'm using it more for damage usually at this point in the dungeon), so on the first pull I'll let the tank get pretty low to get the most out of it.

dont expect others who know how to play the game to adapt to your poor time wasting playstyle.dont use the duty timer as an excuse for you being bad at the game
1.read your abilities
2.use your full kit that se gave you for a reason
3.git gud

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

no healer who knows what theyre doing is going to keep you constantly topped off. They're going to let you dip low so they can dps and then heal you up as needed.

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That's the exact opposite of a healer that knows what they're doing. Healing takes priority, and you should never, ever, let your tanks health dip low willingly, especially in newer content where tank busters are exceedingly common.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

That's the exact opposite of a healer that knows what they're doing. Healing takes priority, and you should never, ever, let your tanks health dip low willingly, especially in newer content where tank busters are exceedingly common.

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Healers have a instant casts. You're allowed to let them dip a little low then instantly top them off when need be.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

That's the exact opposite of a healer that knows what they're doing. Healing takes priority, and you should never, ever, let your tanks health dip low willingly, especially in newer content where tank busters are exceedingly common.

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Healing is the priority, you just don't need to heal until you need to heal. The only reason to keep party HP high would be because you as the healer don't know when damage is incoming. If you do know damage is incoming, then it's very easy to leave party members below 50%. This also saves you MP and allows you to DPS more to further reduce damage.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Healers have a instant casts. You're allowed to let them dip a little low then instantly top them off when need be.

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Instant casts should be saved for emergencies when they're actually needed, not wasted over misunderstood priority or outright laziness.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

Healing is the priority, you just don't need to heal until you need to heal. The only reason to keep party HP high would be because you as the healer don't know when damage is incoming. If you do know damage is incoming, then it's very easy to leave party members below 50%. This also saves you MP and allows you to DPS more to further reduce damage.

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DPS below 50%? Sure, but not the person taking all the abuse. It's people like this that make me feel unsafe tanking as anything other than PLD. I've died far too many times as the other three due to negligence to ever risk it again.

You kidding me? I'm a healer and I have to practically beg tanks nowadays to pull big just so I can actually do something than filler spam the whole time, and even in big pulls, I will still filler spam a good 70% of the time due to oGCDs being so potent.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Instant casts should be saved for emergencies when they're actually needed, not wasted over misunderstood priority or outright laziness.

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Well, in my case, its just to DPS as much as possible and knowing I can actually top them off instead of laziness, but I can see where you are coming from.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Instant casts should be saved for emergencies when they're actually needed, not wasted over misunderstood priority or outright laziness.

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What emergencies? This thread is about dungeons. :D

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Instant casts should be saved for emergencies when they're actually needed, not wasted over misunderstood priority or outright laziness.

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Saving them is inefficient. OGCD's heal for no MP, are faster than most GCD heals, and allow for more DPS uptime (which is beneficial for healing). The best way to use them is as your primary heals to avoid getting into emergencies in the first place.

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DPS below 50%? Sure, but not the person taking all the abuse. It's people like this that make me feel unsafe tanking as anything other than PLD. I've died far too many times as the other three due to negligence to ever risk it again.

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50% for the tank isn't even concerning really. WHM can 100% heal every 3 minutes and gets 100% damage reduction on basically every pull, One of SCH's main heals won't activate above that threshold. If you keep the tank above 50% all the time, you're just increasing the work you need to put into healing for no gain. Especially if you're only using GCD heals.

Your experience is your own and you're free to act on it as you want, but allowing the tank to get low on HP isn't a form of negligence. The healers that let you die either weren't good or didn't have great synergy with you.